EPT[Spoilers] Effort's record - Page 6
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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theobsessed1
United States576 Posts
I wasn't surprised at all when he beat Jaedong, he is definitely a great player now, although I don't like him at all lol | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On June 12 2009 09:17 Gustav_Wind wrote: Bisu currently says in interviews that he doesn't think he can maintain 80% win rate. The most dominant pro sc players in history didn't have anything approaching 90% win rate. This is sort of interesting when you dig through the differences between proleague/individual league stats. Its pretty common right now for "S-class players" or whatever you call them to have absurd winrates. Bisu is on the upper end at 80% vs all, but flash/jaedong/leta/effort all have mirror winrates that are upwards of 80% (and vs all rates of 70+). 80% is probably too high but I suspect is remarkably close to what his "expected" winrate would be against the typical proleague competition. Probably not anything useful to make out of the stat because the explanation is the obvious "individual leagues have better people and more intense training" thing. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Don't get me wrong, beating Jaedong and Flash is absolutely absurd, especially when they're part of a streak like this, but the majority of his streak seems a little less than stellar. His first 8 wins up to Flash are all pretty damn easy -- his logically toughest match was ZvZ versus Great which, honestly, isn't saying much. His next 8 wins up until his loss against Mind, his toughest match up is actually worth noting, ZvZ verus Hyvaa who is no slouch. But the other seven are also not what I'd call cream of the crop. But hell, I can see why he just recently got the PR. The top part of his streak has Stork, Jaedong and Hiya in it. His wins over Mind and Luxury aren't that great considering just how hard the two are slumping, and Baby is awesome but overhyped, but still, the streak seems...I dunno, a little less amazing than just the numbers themselves felt. | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
GG. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On June 12 2009 13:20 AzureEye wrote: I would say he's definately improved but maps also helped him seeing as how recent maps favor Zerg I'd say maps are rather balanced at least regarding zvt. zvp garden is hard for protoss, but hertbreak is hard for zerg. This set of maps is like perfect. | ||
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Fresol
China77 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On June 12 2009 13:26 Fresol wrote: Invincibility is hard to maintain and hyping things up is no good. Why? It's fun, why care about anything if there is no hype to it? | ||
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gk_ender
United States717 Posts
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jnheart35
United States178 Posts
EDIT: I agree with the post above me, one game cannot decide where one stands. If you put him in a Bo5 against anyone would tell us something different. | ||
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gk_ender
United States717 Posts
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oneill
Philippines278 Posts
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gk_ender
United States717 Posts
On June 12 2009 14:48 oneill wrote: He has been consistent he has improved alot. Also beating big names. Im not knocking effort, but the effort hype train needs to end. Hes good, hes damn good. But there are players right now that are still miles ahead of him. Good job effort, if thats what you want to hear. He has improved amazingly. But hes no bonjwa, and no bisu or jd, hell not even a flash. | ||
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
On June 12 2009 09:41 IdrA wrote: i really really wish people would just completely stop keeping track of statistics watch his fucking games he is playing ridiculously fucking good and you sit there bitching that his list of opponents isnt strong enough WATCH HIM PLAY goddamn "[Spoilers] Effort's record" The whole thread is about effort's stats, don't jump to the last page next time. Nice of you to stick up for your CJ boy though  | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 12 2009 14:51 gk_ender wrote: Im not knocking effort, but the effort hype train needs to end. Hes good, hes damn good. But there are players right now that are still miles ahead of him. Good job effort, if thats what you want to hear. He has improved amazingly. But hes no bonjwa, and no bisu or jd, hell not even a flash. Uh like who? First off how dare you claim Flash isn't at the level of Bisu or JD, this already harms your credibility. Tsk tsk tsk! Look with all seriousness there are maybe three players I would consider better than Effort and "miles ahead" is a big stretch. Flash, Bisu, and JD because of their performance in BoX's are most likely better than Effort when you get down to it... but not by miles. No one claimed Effort was the next Bonjwa or anything but they are claiming that he might just be the next big zerg to walk the path along with Jaedong for awhile. Keep in mind that Effort is 25-3 please... playing against progamers. That sort of consistency is hard to maintain, especially with the level of play nowadays. Not only that but nearly all of his 25 wins are complete rapes of proportions not seen since Flash went two port wraiths against Protoss because he was bored with progames. | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
Hopefully he'll perform as good in the individual leagues as he's doing in proleague. Being a proleague monster isn't as hard as winning bo3's or bo5's. | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
Changelog - Adrenal Glands no longer glitches - Micro and macro efficiency improved - Copied mechanics from Jaedong (modded version of IPXZerg 2.0) | ||
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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
 EffOrt is making an excellent job. His control map / skill and other stuffs are improving. Yesterday in the MSL, he showed only his part of his skill. He will be an impressive Zerg soon. | ||
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gk_ender
United States717 Posts
On June 12 2009 14:56 Jayme wrote: Uh like who? First off how dare you claim Flash isn't at the level of Bisu or JD, this already harms your credibility. Tsk tsk tsk! Look with all seriousness there are maybe three players I would consider better than Effort and "miles ahead" is a big stretch. Flash, Bisu, and JD because of their performance in BoX's are most likely better than Effort when you get down to it... but not by miles. No one claimed Effort was the next Bonjwa or anything but they are claiming that he might just be the next big zerg to walk the path along with Jaedong for awhile. Keep in mind that Effort is 25-3 please... playing against progamers. That sort of consistency is hard to maintain, especially with the level of play nowadays. Not only that but nearly all of his 25 wins are complete rapes of proportions not seen since Flash went two port wraiths against Protoss because he was bored with progames. ok i guess ill lay it out IM NOT SAYING EFFORT IS BAD, im saying he doesnt deserve the hype train. Effort has taken out these players in the last month Stork (sucks at pvz) Jd, Flash, and July (who doesnt really do amazing at zvz) Bisu has taken down Jd, Hiya (i put hiya on bisu's list bc his tvz is like 45% and his tvp his 64%), Jangbi, Effort (ironic), Leta, Zero, Calm Jd has beaten Skyhigh, Leta, and every zerg besides effort thats my point (and i wasnt saying flash doesnt have the same caliber ability, i was saying that flash is in his best form right now, if flash were at his full shape, he would be rocking everbody) | ||
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