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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
June 12 2009 03:45 GMT
#101
Combination of him being way better in a short period and people not realizing it yet in order to prepare as much for him / study him for weak points. Plus, he's peaking in a zerg map peak and sometimes players get these streaks from easy competition but Efforts had a reasonably tough schedule to withhold such comments.
theobsessed1
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States576 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 03:47:09
June 12 2009 03:46 GMT
#102
People are just hating because he looks like he is part of the Zerg race.+ Show Spoiler +
I wasn't surprised at all when he beat Jaedong, he is definitely a great player now, although I don't like him at all lol
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 12 2009 03:55 GMT
#103
On June 12 2009 09:17 Gustav_Wind wrote:
Bisu currently says in interviews that he doesn't think he can maintain 80% win rate. The most dominant pro sc players in history didn't have anything approaching 90% win rate.


This is sort of interesting when you dig through the differences between proleague/individual league stats. Its pretty common right now for "S-class players" or whatever you call them to have absurd winrates. Bisu is on the upper end at 80% vs all, but flash/jaedong/leta/effort all have mirror winrates that are upwards of 80% (and vs all rates of 70+). 80% is probably too high but I suspect is remarkably close to what his "expected" winrate would be against the typical proleague competition.

Probably not anything useful to make out of the stat because the explanation is the obvious "individual leagues have better people and more intense training" thing.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 04:06:19
June 12 2009 04:02 GMT
#104
The more I look at Effort's streak, the less impressive it is. With obvious exception to Jaedong and Flash, almost everyone he beat was is either mediocre at best or slumping.

Don't get me wrong, beating Jaedong and Flash is absolutely absurd, especially when they're part of a streak like this, but the majority of his streak seems a little less than stellar. His first 8 wins up to Flash are all pretty damn easy -- his logically toughest match was ZvZ versus Great which, honestly, isn't saying much. His next 8 wins up until his loss against Mind, his toughest match up is actually worth noting, ZvZ verus Hyvaa who is no slouch. But the other seven are also not what I'd call cream of the crop.

But hell, I can see why he just recently got the PR. The top part of his streak has Stork, Jaedong and Hiya in it. His wins over Mind and Luxury aren't that great considering just how hard the two are slumping, and Baby is awesome but overhyped, but still, the streak seems...I dunno, a little less amazing than just the numbers themselves felt.
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
June 12 2009 04:14 GMT
#105
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=5&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=1999&from_month=1&from_day=1&to_year=2004&to_month=7&to_day=1&action=Update

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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
June 12 2009 04:20 GMT
#106
I would say he's definately improved but maps also helped him seeing as how recent maps favor Zerg
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Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
June 12 2009 04:25 GMT
#107
On June 12 2009 13:20 AzureEye wrote:
I would say he's definately improved but maps also helped him seeing as how recent maps favor Zerg

I'd say maps are rather balanced at least regarding zvt. zvp garden is hard for protoss, but hertbreak is hard for zerg. This set of maps is like perfect.
Fresol
Profile Joined April 2009
China77 Posts
June 12 2009 04:26 GMT
#108
Invincibility is hard to maintain and hyping things up is no good.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
June 12 2009 04:27 GMT
#109
On June 12 2009 13:26 Fresol wrote:
Invincibility is hard to maintain and hyping things up is no good.

Why? It's fun, why care about anything if there is no hype to it?
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
June 12 2009 05:31 GMT
#110
I dont think this a completley fair statistic. Yes he has a fantastic record on the games uve shown, but is that really honestly fair? Hes simply PLAYED more games than most. For example, Bisu. Hes only played 20 games since the last osl. Hes not in gom, and he gets put in a group of death for his msl, a group with only one type of matchup. The reason thats important is this, bisu practically wins evergame in the spl, against every race, and has to prepare for each, while kal jangbi and free only have to prepare for there one macthup. Effort really hasnt gotten contested as he eats away at the A class gamers. Let him play a best of 5 against JD and then ill say ok uve got the better zvz, but seriosuly jds zvz is something like 80%. Its probably his least prepared matchup, and when he losses he losses to effort, well, i mean, doesnt jd have to lose eventually. Effort simply hasnt gotten contested, look who hes played. Yes flash is in there, but Flash says is tvz is his best but his tvp and tvt stats beg to differ. The only reaaaaaaaaaal great win for him were jd and upmagic on that list. Sorry, too early to be calling him anything amazing. When he has an 80% proleague record over 5 rounds, then I'll proudly claim him the best.
Taek Bang
jnheart35
Profile Joined February 2009
United States178 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 05:39:44
June 12 2009 05:36 GMT
#111
Lol if you look at the first 9 people he played (bottom 9 in the pic), they're not even worth mentioning (besides maybe 1). I praised your effort in trying to make him look like a god though.

EDIT: I agree with the post above me, one game cannot decide where one stands. If you put him in a Bo5 against anyone would tell us something different.
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 05:48:39
June 12 2009 05:48 GMT
#112
Again my point is effort is a darkhorse, he doesnt have ppl practicing endlessly to snipe him( bisu), he doesnt face the best a team has got ever damn game, and he doesnt do it twice in a night everygame (jd).
Taek Bang
oneill
Profile Joined August 2004
Philippines278 Posts
June 12 2009 05:48 GMT
#113
He has been consistent he has improved alot. Also beating big names.
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
June 12 2009 05:51 GMT
#114
On June 12 2009 14:48 oneill wrote:
He has been consistent he has improved alot. Also beating big names.


Im not knocking effort, but the effort hype train needs to end. Hes good, hes damn good. But there are players right now that are still miles ahead of him. Good job effort, if thats what you want to hear. He has improved amazingly. But hes no bonjwa, and no bisu or jd, hell not even a flash.
Taek Bang
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
June 12 2009 05:54 GMT
#115
On June 12 2009 09:41 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 08:09 Fr33t wrote:
Meh, it's a pretty impressive streak, but you really must take a good luck at just who he has been playing. Sure, he has had quite a few big wins against the top players on the scene right now, but that only counts for a small portion of the 28 games you listed. What about all the filler in between?

+ Show Spoiler +
doctor.k (lol)
ganzi (lol)
free (2-8 oh boy)
hyun (3-7 woah!)
lucifer (even better 1-9)
forgg (nuff said)
pure (2-8)
ruby*2 (2-8)
july (3 zvz wins in the past year)
bogus (who?)
baby (3-7 watch game against JD for lulz)
hiya (hiya's TvZ T_T)


He has certainly come a long way in these 28 games considering that he was on a 5 game losing streak going into them, but imo he is still only top 5. It is going to be very interesting to see if he can keep this up through the SL's and earn a title.

i really really wish people would just completely stop keeping track of statistics
watch his fucking games
he is playing ridiculously fucking good and you sit there bitching that his list of opponents isnt strong enough
WATCH HIM PLAY
goddamn

"[Spoilers] Effort's record"
The whole thread is about effort's stats, don't jump to the last page next time. Nice of you to stick up for your CJ boy though
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 05:58:39
June 12 2009 05:56 GMT
#116
On June 12 2009 14:51 gk_ender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 14:48 oneill wrote:
He has been consistent he has improved alot. Also beating big names.


Im not knocking effort, but the effort hype train needs to end. Hes good, hes damn good. But there are players right now that are still miles ahead of him. Good job effort, if thats what you want to hear. He has improved amazingly. But hes no bonjwa, and no bisu or jd, hell not even a flash.


Uh like who?

First off how dare you claim Flash isn't at the level of Bisu or JD, this already harms your credibility. Tsk tsk tsk!

Look with all seriousness there are maybe three players I would consider better than Effort and "miles ahead" is a big stretch. Flash, Bisu, and JD because of their performance in BoX's are most likely better than Effort when you get down to it... but not by miles.

No one claimed Effort was the next Bonjwa or anything but they are claiming that he might just be the next big zerg to walk the path along with Jaedong for awhile.

Keep in mind that Effort is 25-3 please... playing against progamers. That sort of consistency is hard to maintain, especially with the level of play nowadays. Not only that but nearly all of his 25 wins are complete rapes of proportions not seen since Flash went two port wraiths against Protoss because he was bored with progames.
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 12 2009 05:57 GMT
#117
Effort has a lot of potential. A LOT.I haven't been so hyped about a new player since Bisu beat savior in GOMTV S1. He's consitend and seems to be improving really fast. He didn't even play 100 games and he's already got 66% career win rate.

Hopefully he'll perform as good in the individual leagues as he's doing in proleague. Being a proleague monster isn't as hard as winning bo3's or bo5's.
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ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
June 12 2009 06:01 GMT
#118
EffOrt (IPXZerg 3.0)

Changelog
- Adrenal Glands no longer glitches
- Micro and macro efficiency improved
- Copied mechanics from Jaedong (modded version of IPXZerg 2.0)
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
June 12 2009 06:05 GMT
#119
Honnestly, (Z)EffOrt is making an excellent job. His control map / skill and other stuffs are improving. Yesterday in the MSL, he showed only his part of his skill. He will be an impressive Zerg soon.
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gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
June 12 2009 06:18 GMT
#120
On June 12 2009 14:56 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 14:51 gk_ender wrote:
On June 12 2009 14:48 oneill wrote:
He has been consistent he has improved alot. Also beating big names.


Im not knocking effort, but the effort hype train needs to end. Hes good, hes damn good. But there are players right now that are still miles ahead of him. Good job effort, if thats what you want to hear. He has improved amazingly. But hes no bonjwa, and no bisu or jd, hell not even a flash.


Uh like who?

First off how dare you claim Flash isn't at the level of Bisu or JD, this already harms your credibility. Tsk tsk tsk!

Look with all seriousness there are maybe three players I would consider better than Effort and "miles ahead" is a big stretch. Flash, Bisu, and JD because of their performance in BoX's are most likely better than Effort when you get down to it... but not by miles.

No one claimed Effort was the next Bonjwa or anything but they are claiming that he might just be the next big zerg to walk the path along with Jaedong for awhile.

Keep in mind that Effort is 25-3 please... playing against progamers. That sort of consistency is hard to maintain, especially with the level of play nowadays. Not only that but nearly all of his 25 wins are complete rapes of proportions not seen since Flash went two port wraiths against Protoss because he was bored with progames.

ok i guess ill lay it out
IM NOT SAYING EFFORT IS BAD, im saying he doesnt deserve the hype train.
Effort has taken out these players in the last month
Stork (sucks at pvz) Jd, Flash, and July (who doesnt really do amazing at zvz)
Bisu has taken down
Jd, Hiya (i put hiya on bisu's list bc his tvz is like 45% and his tvp his 64%), Jangbi, Effort (ironic), Leta, Zero, Calm
Jd has beaten
Skyhigh, Leta, and every zerg besides effort

thats my point
(and i wasnt saying flash doesnt have the same caliber ability, i was saying that flash is in his best form right now, if flash were at his full shape, he would be rocking everbody)
Taek Bang
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