• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:05
CET 07:05
KST 15:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros9[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION3Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams12Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest5
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros
Tourneys
SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
Map pack for 3v3/4v4/FFA games BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ladder Map Matchup Stats What's going on with b.net?
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Dating: How's your luck? US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Big Reveal
Peanutsc
Challenge: Maths isn't all…
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1526 users

[Spoilers] Effort's record

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 15:13:49
June 11 2009 21:49 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Looking on TLPD I reckon that might well be the best 28 game record EVER.
I've checked Bisu, Jaedong, Flash, Savior, Oov, Nada and Boxer
If someone could confirm that for me, it would be fantastic.

Edit: I was wrong, Oov has a better streak - http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=5&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2003&from_month=10&from_day=20&to_year=2004&to_month=2&to_day=3&action=Update

Now if that's true what do we make of it?
Has Effort massively improved in a short space of time?
Is it mostly luck?

[image loading]

Poll: What weight do you place on the factors that created the streak?
(Vote): Effort is still average, it's just random variance.
(Vote): Random variance has made very little difference, Effort has just become incredibly amazing.
(Vote): It's a roughly even combination of random variance and a greatly improved player.
(Vote): Effort's great improvement is mostly responsible.
(Vote): Random Variance is mostly responsible.


Don't hate the player - Hate the game
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 11 2009 21:52 GMT
#2
Too good to say it's random.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
June 11 2009 21:53 GMT
#3
An awesome streak to be sure, the victory over Jaedong is some delicious icing on the cake. Notably he lost to Bisu, I remember watching that game and thinking that even though EffOrt was playing well he seemed to be outclassed by Bisu. I think that after the GomClassic, MSL and OSL are over we'll be able to see if EffOrt is the real deal or if he is just on one of the hottest streaks ever. Nevertheless it's impressive and I hope he continues to dominate.
powered by coffee, driven by hate.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 21:56:42
June 11 2009 21:55 GMT
#4
Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better.

+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt


I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 21:58:02
June 11 2009 21:57 GMT
#5
It's impressive, but titles are what really determines a player's worth at the end of the day. I'll respect Effort as a legitimate Starleague contender when he whens a Bo5 in the MSL or OSL.
Not taking away from how he's been playing, of course.
Jaedong
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
June 11 2009 21:59 GMT
#6
On June 12 2009 06:52 SuperArc wrote:
Too good to say it's random.


... that's actually the opposite of how stats works

Not denying that Effort is a great player but claiming that variance isn't involved is pretty farfetched
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
June 11 2009 22:00 GMT
#7
25 wins - 3 losses (89.29%)

how good is that? beat the boss of zvz jd, flash, shows such ridiculous zvt, this is rarity.

this streak is better than any bonjwa's, just didn't win or progress too far in any SL yet.
sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
June 11 2009 22:01 GMT
#8
Its very clear that he is playing amazing. The Cj house used to talk about their new young superstar and that was a long time ago. If you have watch his games you understand why he is so good. The game against Flash was just "WTF just happen". But of course no player can substain his form for ever.
Hello mother hello father
Clow
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Brazil880 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 22:04:04
June 11 2009 22:03 GMT
#9
How can people still say he's lucky? wtf...

He's becoming a monster!

EFFORT HWAITING!
(–_–) CJ Entusman #33
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 22:05:01
June 11 2009 22:04 GMT
#10
BTW since he started pretty strong and has this insane streak early, his career overall win % may end up being the highest ever at least on TLPD. 66.25% now, it will improve.
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
June 11 2009 22:04 GMT
#11
i was just remarking the other day how effort's sick performance is possible while kwanro (who was first hyped to become someone good) and of course savior, are struggling. they likely all have he same practice hours/regimen, what makes effort stand out so much compared to his teammates (which includes a former bonjwa) like this? just natural talent?
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 11 2009 22:06 GMT
#12
Savior using his time to improve Effort of course!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
June 11 2009 22:08 GMT
#13
I believe he is on a great streak, and this has come with lots of improving and a bit of luck

Last year´s MSL or OSL finalist had a winning rate of 75% during their last month, and Effort is in that way, but I fear that he might choke the same way Flash did on 1st quarter 2008, when he got beated in MSL and OSL semis, and lost GOMTV Season1 in a fashion 3-0 vs JD

Definitely, a new star is rising. The next leader in CJ Entus
StarCraft-ESP.com Admin - Spanish StarCraft Community
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 22:10:01
June 11 2009 22:09 GMT
#14
On June 12 2009 07:06 SuperArc wrote:
Savior using his time to improve Effort of course!

I won't be surprised if Savior realized his brain and hands are too slow now and actually really helping Effort to grow, especially in mind games and strategies knowledge.
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
June 11 2009 22:10 GMT
#15
On June 12 2009 07:04 PanoRaMa wrote:
i was just remarking the other day how effort's sick performance is possible while kwanro (who was first hyped to become someone good) and of course savior, are struggling. they likely all have he same practice hours/regimen, what makes effort stand out so much compared to his teammates (which includes a former bonjwa) like this? just natural talent?


Progamers have set practice schedules but there's nothing preventing them from practicing more than their schedule dictates. In his interview with Bisu, Jaedong implied that at one point, he was practicing ~15 hours per day. Of course, it's entirely possible that Effort is naturally talented. I would really like to see some interviews with him =D
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 11 2009 22:11 GMT
#16
On June 12 2009 06:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better.

+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt


I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.


Uh WHAT?

his array of victories isn't full of no names either.

Stork Mind Luxury (allthough he sucks) Flash Jaedong etc.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 11 2009 22:15 GMT
#17
On June 12 2009 07:09 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 07:06 SuperArc wrote:
Savior using his time to improve Effort of course!

I won't be surprised if Savior realized his brain and hands are too slow now and actually really helping Effort to grow, especially in mind games and strategies knowledge.


I doubt Savior's brain is too slow, but yeah, he just doesn't have the mechanics all top players have.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
June 11 2009 22:16 GMT
#18
On June 12 2009 06:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better.

+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt


I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.

Yeah, beating Jaedong, Luxury, Stork, free, Mind, Hiya, July, fOrGG, and Flash means NOTHING. Seriously, anyone could do this. Even fucking tester could go on a 10 game streak playing scrubs like the ones Effort has played. God, may as well get some random BGHer on East to play these people - no doubt he would at least go 50/50.

qft man, qft
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
June 11 2009 22:17 GMT
#19
It's more impressive if you've watched all of these games. Some skill is hard to quantify but you can just feel it unfolding in the match. He is one badass mofo to put it lightly.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 11 2009 22:17 GMT
#20
On June 12 2009 07:11 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2009 06:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better.

+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt


I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.


Uh WHAT?

his array of victories isn't full of no names either.

Stork Mind Luxury (allthough he sucks) Flash Jaedong etc.


Out of 25 wins about 6 of them were vs impressive players. The rest were scrubs.
1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 137
NeuroSwarm 123
Ketroc 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10444
Nal_rA 2205
actioN 448
Snow 183
Noble 42
Dota 2
XaKoH 566
League of Legends
JimRising 868
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1058
C9.Mang0428
Mew2King28
Other Games
summit1g15024
WinterStarcraft415
ViBE45
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1849
Counter-Strike
PGL232
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 19
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki16
• Diggity5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1346
• Lourlo1015
• HappyZerGling101
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 55m
Wardi Open
5h 55m
Monday Night Weeklies
10h 55m
Replay Cast
16h 55m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 3h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 5h
LAN Event
1d 8h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
LAN Event
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
LAN Event
5 days
IPSL
5 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
LAN Event
6 days
IPSL
6 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.