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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 01:50:36
June 20 2009 01:50 GMT
#281
My favorite part of all of this is that (Z)EffOrt's Kespa ranking is #20, behind such luminaries as (P)free[gm], (P)BeSt, (Z)hyvaa, and (T)HiyA.

Anyone want to explain why Kespa's ranking system has it's head so deep in the sand?
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 20 2009 01:51 GMT
#282
On June 20 2009 10:46 StorZerg wrote:
he could go27 and 3 in his next set of games, if he loses the osl/msl hes still just another zerg


53 - 6 and he'd just be another zerg?

Yea I think you're a tad delusional
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 20 2009 01:53 GMT
#283
On June 20 2009 10:51 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2009 10:46 StorZerg wrote:
he could go27 and 3 in his next set of games, if he loses the osl/msl hes still just another zerg


53 - 6 and he'd just be another zerg?

Yea I think you're a tad delusional



with no msl/osl gom. he'd fade fast......... (and no pr- league team win)

thats where it matters.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
June 20 2009 02:00 GMT
#284
Losing just the next OSL/MSL doesn't mean he will just turn to shit and not ever be anything.

It's his first time this high in both tourneys, and he could likely burn out in 1 if not both. I still look forward to great things from him.
sAviOr...
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
June 20 2009 02:01 GMT
#285
On June 20 2009 10:50 tree.hugger wrote:
My favorite part of all of this is that (Z)EffOrt's Kespa ranking is #20, behind such luminaries as (P)free[gm], (P)BeSt, (Z)hyvaa, and (T)HiyA.

Anyone want to explain why Kespa's ranking system has it's head so deep in the sand?


because sand is so dense, it takes around 12 months for heads to move any significant distance
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 20 2009 02:02 GMT
#286
On June 20 2009 11:00 Camlito wrote:
Losing just the next OSL/MSL doesn't mean he will just turn to shit and not ever be anything.

It's his first time this high in both tourneys, and he could likely burn out in 1 if not both. I still look forward to great things from him.



eah what i'm saying is he could get this amazing record but if he NEVER gets an osl/msl/gom 1st he just won't be that amazing imo
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
June 20 2009 02:08 GMT
#287
You can't have an amazing record and never win an individual tournament because if you're good enough to get into the individuals, you either lose and your record takes a drastic turn by playing good players (like Leta last season) or you win it.
Jaedong
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
June 20 2009 02:19 GMT
#288
On June 12 2009 07:00 Magic84 wrote:
25 wins - 3 losses (89.29%)

how good is that? beat the boss of zvz jd, flash, shows such ridiculous zvt, this is rarity.

this streak is better than any bonjwa's, just didn't win or progress too far in any SL yet.

yep and I predict he will not become as great as JD Flash Bisu or Stork. Watch his games closely and you might see that he is not as dominant as people say he is. He makes far too many mistakes espacially in longer games. His record will change soon because now he is in the starleagues and that's the place where you have to show yourself to be remembered. Just look at Sea, he was once the best player in proleague but noone really thinks of him like they think of jaedong.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
June 20 2009 02:24 GMT
#289
Like almost any player, I will root for Effort to become truly amazing I don't think he is there yet--though the streak is incredibly impressive, he's basically a proleague dominator (like Sea, again).
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 20 2009 02:32 GMT
#290
On June 20 2009 11:24 theqat wrote:
Like almost any player, I will root for Effort to become truly amazing I don't think he is there yet--though the streak is incredibly impressive, he's basically a proleague dominator (like Sea, again).



idk i'm not ready to hope over just yet.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
June 20 2009 06:38 GMT
#291
Wait, I have a question about ELO, before tonight's games, Effort had a higher ELO than Jaedong but trailed him in every MU-specific ELO. How does that work?
Jaedong
Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
June 20 2009 06:54 GMT
#292
On June 20 2009 15:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Wait, I have a question about ELO, before tonight's games, Effort had a higher ELO than Jaedong but trailed him in every MU-specific ELO. How does that work?

ELO inflates more with longer streaks, the last 10 games for each player are a good example (Effort's current streak versus all races is 8W)
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
June 20 2009 07:00 GMT
#293
I still don't get it. Are you saying that because his overall elo has a better streak than his individual elo, he has a higher elo?
Or are you saying that because Effort has a better streak overall than Jd, he has a higher elo, but his streak isn't that big when you consider each MU individually?
Jaedong
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
June 20 2009 07:55 GMT
#294
Tonight's PL...

+ Show Spoiler +
...combo breaker
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
Dyno.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States286 Posts
June 20 2009 08:18 GMT
#295
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iron is obviously the next-next bonjwa (after effort) and effort is going to win all 3 starleagues anyway
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 14:23:07
June 20 2009 14:22 GMT
#296
On June 20 2009 15:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Wait, I have a question about ELO, before tonight's games, Effort had a higher ELO than Jaedong but trailed him in every MU-specific ELO. How does that work?


Well the explanation I can think of seems very unlikely but it must be what happened.

The amount of points you gain for a win/lose for a loss under the ELO system is based on the difference in ELO between you and your opponent.

So, you would gain a different amount of points for your total ELO and matchup ELO if the person you played against had a skewed distribution. For example, Effort could have played a bunch of guys with average overall ELOs but bad vZ ELOs, while Jaedong could have played guys with good vZ ELOs but worse overall ELOs.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
June 20 2009 14:27 GMT
#297
[image loading]

impressive as well
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Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
June 20 2009 14:40 GMT
#298
On June 20 2009 23:27 crucifix wrote:
[image loading]

impressive as well

TvZ not the most balanced matchup and he didn't play these games all in a row. Not a real streak.

Flash and JD had it more impressive when it comes to crazy streaks.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 20 2009 14:41 GMT
#299
You call a 27-0 streak not impressive? :p
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
June 20 2009 14:47 GMT
#300
On June 20 2009 23:41 SuperArc wrote:
You call a 27-0 streak not impressive? :p

He didn't say it wasn't impressive, he said it wasn't as impressive as streaks in *all games* instead of one mu.
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