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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 23:14:01
June 16 2009 23:11 GMT
#261
Well, Boxer may be a bad example since he played a lot of games that was never entered into the TLPD. I'm saying that during a player's career, there are always phases where they get really good and appear dominant.
At that point, their theoretical ELO is probably very high, but if one player gets to play more games like the proscene nowadays with 3 leagues +proleague with ace matches than some other player back in the day with less matches, the newer player's ELO will be higher at the end of the dominant phase.

Actually, in my English classes, my English teachers always criticize me for being disorganized and using overly long sentences. (To the guy below me)
Jaedong
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
June 16 2009 23:11 GMT
#262
Wow, major thumbs up for Avidkeystamper. His post makes perfect sense all the time.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
June 16 2009 23:12 GMT
#263
On a side note, the term "inflation" when referring to ELO has a strict definition, and the reasoning behind inflation/deflation is discussed a lot. Wikipedia has it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system#Ratings_inflation_and_deflation
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 16 2009 23:14 GMT
#264
Yeah, I didn't think I was using the correct definition; I agree with you about the real inflation/deflation.
Jaedong
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
June 16 2009 23:15 GMT
#265
On June 17 2009 08:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, Boxer may be a bad example since he played a lot of games that was never entered into the TLPD. I'm saying that during a player's career, there are always phases where they get really good and appear dominant.
At that point, their theoretical ELO is probably very high, but if one player gets to play more games like the proscene nowadays with 3 leagues +proleague with ace matches than some other player back in the day with less matches, the newer player's ELO will be higher at the end of the dominant phase.


Right, you are saying that their skill level fluctuates and that due to the lack of sample size during that short period the ELO didn't properly track it, kind of like a thermometer which takes readings every hour and computes them into a graph, but missed the 20 degree temperature spike during some obscene weather event because it was in between the measurement times.

That is certainly possible.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-16 23:22:00
June 16 2009 23:19 GMT
#266
I can't really talk more about real inflation/deflation without seeing how teamliquid's ELO system is set up: there are variations between different systems.

wikipedia wrote:
Because of the significant difference in timing of when inflation and deflation occur, and in order to combat deflation, most implementations of Elo ratings have a mechanism for injecting points into the system in order to maintain relative ratings over time. FIDE has two inflationary mechanisms. First, performances below a "ratings floor" are not tracked, so a player with true skill below the floor can only be unrated or overrated, never correctly rated. Second, established and higher-rated players have a lower K-factor.[11] There is no theoretical reason why these should provide a proper balance to an otherwise deflationary scheme; perhaps they over-correct and result in net inflation beyond the playing population's increase in absolute skill. On the other hand, there is no obviously superior alternative.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
June 19 2009 00:21 GMT
#267
Now #1 in ELO
Alsar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States130 Posts
June 19 2009 00:29 GMT
#268
I really want to love Effort because he's an amazing zerg and is on CJ, but I still have a hard time liking him as much as I do savior/jaedong/hero. D: It makes me sad.
genryou
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia390 Posts
June 19 2009 01:23 GMT
#269
Ok, you guys know Tossgirl? The top female Terran and the top player in female proleague?

Effort lose to her once.

i already heard some fanboy bitchin "lololol Effort w0n in th3 end noobz lolololooo".
I, Challenge Everything
Fredflintstone
Profile Joined January 2009
439 Posts
June 19 2009 04:39 GMT
#270
On June 19 2009 10:23 genryou wrote:
Ok, you guys know Tossgirl? The top female Terran and the top player in female proleague?

Effort lose to her once.

i already heard some fanboy bitchin "lololol Effort w0n in th3 end noobz lolololooo".

That's the reason Effort is getting so much attention. From losing to Tossgirl, to beating S-class, in a relatively short time.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 19 2009 04:49 GMT
#271
On June 19 2009 13:39 Fredflintstone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 10:23 genryou wrote:
Ok, you guys know Tossgirl? The top female Terran and the top player in female proleague?

Effort lose to her once.

i already heard some fanboy bitchin "lololol Effort w0n in th3 end noobz lolololooo".

That's the reason Effort is getting so much attention. From losing to Tossgirl, to beating S-class, in a relatively short time.

clearly, he learner how to hack better, duh
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 19 2009 04:52 GMT
#272
I get the feeling that all of CJ's new trio had nerve problems at one point or the other, not just Skyhigh.
Jaedong
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 05:03:57
June 19 2009 05:03 GMT
#273
On June 19 2009 09:21 cz wrote:
Now #1 in ELO

Not likely to change either considering the minor league players he's scheduled to face.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
imperfek
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia160 Posts
June 19 2009 05:26 GMT
#274
wow almost got over emotional reading hot_bid post on cj =']

looking forward to effort becoming the new king of the zergs

effort fighting~
UNBOWED, UNBENT, UNBROKEN
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 19 2009 23:26 GMT
#275
On June 19 2009 10:23 genryou wrote:
Ok, you guys know Tossgirl? The top female Terran and the top player in female proleague?

Effort lose to her once.

i already heard some fanboy bitchin "lololol Effort w0n in th3 end noobz lolololooo".


You know there's a purge going on right now, right? You really want to post like that?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 20 2009 00:36 GMT
#276
I don't think there's any way Effort comes out of his OSL group without at least 1 one loss.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 20 2009 00:41 GMT
#277
On June 20 2009 08:26 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 10:23 genryou wrote:
Ok, you guys know Tossgirl? The top female Terran and the top player in female proleague?

Effort lose to her once.

i already heard some fanboy bitchin "lololol Effort w0n in th3 end noobz lolololooo".


You know there's a purge going on right now, right? You really want to post like that?

Kenningit was serious?
Jaedong
GoAudio
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden400 Posts
June 20 2009 00:59 GMT
#278
effort will be the best
EffOrt[fOu] & Hyvaa[S.G] <3 :D
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
June 20 2009 01:34 GMT
#279
effort is actually savior lol
the throws never bothered me anyway
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
June 20 2009 01:46 GMT
#280
he could go27 and 3 in his next set of games, if he loses the osl/msl hes still just another zerg
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
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