Well, Boxer may be a bad example since he played a lot of games that was never entered into the TLPD. I'm saying that during a player's career, there are always phases where they get really good and appear dominant.
At that point, their theoretical ELO is probably very high, but if one player gets to play more games like the proscene nowadays with 3 leagues +proleague with ace matches than some other player back in the day with less matches, the newer player's ELO will be higher at the end of the dominant phase.

Actually, in my English classes, my English teachers always criticize me for being disorganized and using overly long sentences. (To the guy below me)

Dice

Korea (South)926 Posts

June 16 2009 23:11 GMT

#262

Wow, major thumbs up for Avidkeystamper. His post makes perfect sense all the time.

United States3249 Posts

June 16 2009 23:12 GMT

#263

On a side note, the term "inflation" when referring to ELO has a strict definition, and the reasoning behind inflation/deflation is discussed a lot. Wikipedia has it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system#Ratings_inflation_and_deflation

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

June 16 2009 23:14 GMT

#264

Yeah, I didn't think I was using the correct definition; I agree with you about the real inflation/deflation.

United States3249 Posts

June 16 2009 23:15 GMT

#265

On June 17 2009 08:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, Boxer may be a bad example since he played a lot of games that was never entered into the TLPD. I'm saying that during a player's career, there are always phases where they get really good and appear dominant.
At that point, their theoretical ELO is probably very high, but if one player gets to play more games like the proscene nowadays with 3 leagues +proleague with ace matches than some other player back in the day with less matches, the newer player's ELO will be higher at the end of the dominant phase.

Right, you are saying that their skill level fluctuates and that due to the lack of sample size during that short period the ELO didn't properly track it, kind of like a thermometer which takes readings every hour and computes them into a graph, but missed the 20 degree temperature spike during some obscene weather event because it was in between the measurement times.

That is certainly possible.

United States3249 Posts

June 16 2009 23:19 GMT

#266

I can't really talk more about real inflation/deflation without seeing how teamliquid's ELO system is set up: there are variations between different systems.

wikipedia wrote:
Because of the significant difference in timing of when inflation and deflation occur, and in order to combat deflation, most implementations of Elo ratings have a mechanism for injecting points into the system in order to maintain relative ratings over time. FIDE has two inflationary mechanisms. First, performances below a "ratings floor" are not tracked, so a player with true skill below the floor can only be unrated or overrated, never correctly rated. Second, established and higher-rated players have a lower K-factor.[11] There is no theoretical reason why these should provide a proper balance to an otherwise deflationary scheme; perhaps they over-correct and result in net inflation beyond the playing population's increase in absolute skill. On the other hand, there is no obviously superior alternative.

United States3249 Posts

June 19 2009 00:21 GMT

#267

Now #1 in ELO

Alsar

United States130 Posts

June 19 2009 00:29 GMT

#268

I really want to love Effort because he's an amazing zerg and is on CJ, but I still have a hard time liking him as much as I do savior/jaedong/hero. D: It makes me sad.

genryou

Malaysia390 Posts

June 19 2009 01:23 GMT

#269

Ok, you guys know Tossgirl? The top female Terran and the top player in female proleague?

Effort lose to her once.

i already heard some fanboy bitchin "lololol Effort w0n in th3 end noobz lolololooo".

Fredflintstone

439 Posts

June 19 2009 04:39 GMT

#270

On June 19 2009 10:23 genryou wrote:
Ok, you guys know Tossgirl? The top female Terran and the top player in female proleague?

Effort lose to her once.

i already heard some fanboy bitchin "lololol Effort w0n in th3 end noobz lolololooo".

That's the reason Effort is getting so much attention. From losing to Tossgirl, to beating S-class, in a relatively short time.

Trezeguet

United States2656 Posts

June 19 2009 04:49 GMT

#271

On June 19 2009 13:39 Fredflintstone wrote:

Show nested quote +

That's the reason Effort is getting so much attention. From losing to Tossgirl, to beating S-class, in a relatively short time.

clearly, he learner how to hack better, duh

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

June 19 2009 04:52 GMT