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On June 16 2009 09:58 Tien wrote: He's just another Leta until he starts winning starleague BO3s and BO5s. this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Starleague wins are cemented in history. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
edit: nvm he can win GOM or MSL to prove himself | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On June 16 2009 10:08 Shikyo wrote: 26-3, you mean. ^_^ And the game vs JD was a mirror BO where he just owned JD straight-up in a micro battle. His most impressive victory in my opinion. That post was before his recent win and unfortunately I can't predict the future. I said more or less. I don't think saying that he beat JD in a straight up micro battle is very accurate. He beat him in a straight-up ZvZ, but it was more tactics rather than micro that won him the game, which is actually more impressive. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
On June 16 2009 10:02 Sunyveil wrote: this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit Effort cannot be compared to Leta. Leta's eventual failure in league play was visible months beforehand because he did not have the tools to take down good players nor did he have the variance. Effort so far has not shown that limitation so far at all, having instead shown a much better fundamental understanding and having beaten every single top notch opponent except for Fantasy and Bisu, maybe Violet too if you want to stretch things a bit. Although his ZvP is questionable his ZvT is near Savior level (i,e better than Jaedong) and his ZvZ is looking pretty immaculate as well. Yes Effort's streak will obviously subside once he advances in leagues because he will be playing good players more than a quarter of the time. But so long as he doesn't run into Bisu early on he has a very good chance of deep starleague runs. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
On June 16 2009 10:32 Ver wrote: Effort cannot be compared to Leta. Leta's eventual failure in league play was visible months beforehand because he did not have the tools to take down good players nor did he have the variance. Effort so far has not shown that limitation so far at all, having instead shown a much better fundamental understanding and having beaten every single top notch opponent except for Fantasy and Bisu, maybe Violet too if you want to stretch things a bit. Although his ZvP is questionable his ZvT is near Savior level (i,e better than Jaedong) and his ZvZ is looking pretty immaculate as well. Yes Effort's streak will obviously subside once he advances in leagues because he will be playing good players more than a quarter of the time. But so long as he doesn't run into Bisu early on he has a very good chance of deep starleague runs. Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean by Leta not having the tools necessary to take down good players? Do you mean strategy, mechanics, mindset? Or something different? | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On June 16 2009 10:02 Sunyveil wrote: this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit except unlike leta effOrt has the skill to beat the top players. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 16 2009 10:02 Sunyveil wrote: this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit That couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that Semi Finals in Starleagues are usually against an S-class progamer could it? ... Logical sense his freaking winrate would go down you know. | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On June 16 2009 10:45 Jayme wrote: That couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that Semi Finals in Starleagues are usually against an S-class progamer could it? ... Logical sense his freaking winrate would go down you know. Clearly, yes they do. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
OTOH that only works once his ELO has been established over a large sample, which it has not. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 16 2009 11:14 p4NDemik wrote: When was the last time a player not named Flash, Bisu, or Jaedong was #1 ELO? Did JangBi ever manage to get to #1? It would be so weird for a new player to be #1, and this is coming from a huge EffOrt fan. JangBi never had #1 because his rise coincided with bisu's and then he lost to Bisu before he could over take flash. He was number 2 for a bit I think. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On June 16 2009 11:06 Shikyo wrote: Fun fact, his ELO is higher than Stork's peak back when he was actually owning everyone. His ELO is higher than basically anyone has been except for Bisu/Flash/Jaedong.' edit: Savior/Jangbi/Iloveoov have had higher ELOs. His current ELO of 2285 is tied with Nada's max. | ||
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