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On June 16 2009 09:58 Tien wrote: He's just another Leta until he starts winning starleague BO3s and BO5s.
this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Elo rankings and winning streaks come and go.
Starleague wins are cemented in history.
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Effort in any individual leagues?
edit: nvm he can win GOM or MSL to prove himself
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26-3, you mean. ^_^ And the game vs JD was a mirror BO where he just owned JD straight-up in a micro battle. His most impressive victory in my opinion.
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On June 16 2009 10:08 Shikyo wrote: 26-3, you mean. ^_^ And the game vs JD was a mirror BO where he just owned JD straight-up in a micro battle. His most impressive victory in my opinion. That post was before his recent win and unfortunately I can't predict the future. I said more or less. I don't think saying that he beat JD in a straight up micro battle is very accurate. He beat him in a straight-up ZvZ, but it was more tactics rather than micro that won him the game, which is actually more impressive.
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reminds me of how leta started making a name for himself posting an over 80 percent win rate the second half of last year
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Isn't effort supposed be the best player in practice, but he always fails because he has problems with performing in front of crowds or something?
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United States2186 Posts
On June 16 2009 10:02 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 09:58 Tien wrote: He's just another Leta until he starts winning starleague BO3s and BO5s. this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit
Effort cannot be compared to Leta. Leta's eventual failure in league play was visible months beforehand because he did not have the tools to take down good players nor did he have the variance. Effort so far has not shown that limitation so far at all, having instead shown a much better fundamental understanding and having beaten every single top notch opponent except for Fantasy and Bisu, maybe Violet too if you want to stretch things a bit. Although his ZvP is questionable his ZvT is near Savior level (i,e better than Jaedong) and his ZvZ is looking pretty immaculate as well.
Yes Effort's streak will obviously subside once he advances in leagues because he will be playing good players more than a quarter of the time. But so long as he doesn't run into Bisu early on he has a very good chance of deep starleague runs.
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On June 16 2009 10:32 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 10:02 Sunyveil wrote:On June 16 2009 09:58 Tien wrote: He's just another Leta until he starts winning starleague BO3s and BO5s. this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit Effort cannot be compared to Leta. Leta's eventual failure in league play was visible months beforehand because he did not have the tools to take down good players nor did he have the variance. Effort so far has not shown that limitation so far at all, having instead shown a much better fundamental understanding and having beaten every single top notch opponent except for Fantasy and Bisu, maybe Violet too if you want to stretch things a bit. Although his ZvP is questionable his ZvT is near Savior level (i,e better than Jaedong) and his ZvZ is looking pretty immaculate as well. Yes Effort's streak will obviously subside once he advances in leagues because he will be playing good players more than a quarter of the time. But so long as he doesn't run into Bisu early on he has a very good chance of deep starleague runs.
Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean by Leta not having the tools necessary to take down good players? Do you mean strategy, mechanics, mindset? Or something different?
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On June 16 2009 10:02 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 09:58 Tien wrote: He's just another Leta until he starts winning starleague BO3s and BO5s. this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit
except unlike leta effOrt has the skill to beat the top players.
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On June 16 2009 10:02 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 09:58 Tien wrote: He's just another Leta until he starts winning starleague BO3s and BO5s. this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit
That couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that Semi Finals in Starleagues are usually against an S-class progamer could it?
... Logical sense his freaking winrate would go down you know.
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On June 16 2009 10:45 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 10:02 Sunyveil wrote:On June 16 2009 09:58 Tien wrote: He's just another Leta until he starts winning starleague BO3s and BO5s. this, once players hit the individual leagues their winning % usually goes down quite a bit That couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that Semi Finals in Starleagues are usually against an S-class progamer could it? ... Logical sense his freaking winrate would go down you know. Clearly, yes they do.
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I like your username, it's appropriate.
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Well he has 2285 ELO, which theoretically shouldn't go down whether he plays vs S-class players only or 2000 rated players.
OTOH that only works once his ELO has been established over a large sample, which it has not.
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Fun fact, his ELO is higher than Stork's peak back when he was actually owning everyone.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
Damn his ELO just surpassed that of Bisu and he's one Jaedong's misstep away from being first in tlpd ranks.
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United States13896 Posts
When was the last time a player not named Flash, Bisu, or Jaedong was #1 ELO? Did JangBi ever manage to get to #1? It would be so weird for a new player to be #1, and this is coming from a huge EffOrt fan.
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On June 16 2009 11:14 p4NDemik wrote: When was the last time a player not named Flash, Bisu, or Jaedong was #1 ELO? Did JangBi ever manage to get to #1? It would be so weird for a new player to be #1, and this is coming from a huge EffOrt fan.
JangBi never had #1 because his rise coincided with bisu's and then he lost to Bisu before he could over take flash. He was number 2 for a bit I think.
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On June 16 2009 11:06 Shikyo wrote: Fun fact, his ELO is higher than Stork's peak back when he was actually owning everyone.
His ELO is higher than basically anyone has been except for Bisu/Flash/Jaedong.'
edit: Savior/Jangbi/Iloveoov have had higher ELOs. His current ELO of 2285 is tied with Nada's max.
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