EPT[Spoilers] Effort's record - Page 10
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
- He's played games where he dominates from start to finish, and he's played games where he pulled out wins from a very disadvantageous position. - He's displayed REMARKABLE game sense (worthy of being the Neo-Savior, which is the highest praise someone can give regarding game sense). - He's made some amazing micro plays when it counted (watch his Tank surround against Mind in GOM game 3, an incredible response to a great build executed by a master that singlehandedly won him the game). - He's demonstrated S-class macro when necessary on multiple occasions. - He pulled back a game from a losing position by outplaying Flash of all players in the late game (something only Jaedong is also capable of doing for Zergs). - He beat Jaedong and Luxury in ZvZs, and neither game was a fluke You can't say a guy is the "best" player definitively based off of a hot streak outside of the starleagues, but you can still apply common sense. Effort has clearly demonstrated the ability to do everything necessary for a superstar league winner, now he has to do the hard part (which is to actually go through and do it). Common sense tells us that Effort is one of the top 4 players in the world right now, and is playing phenomenally. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On June 13 2009 10:58 darktreb wrote: + Show Spoiler + Let's stop talking about records for a second and reflect on his play. This guy has looked insanely good. - He's played games where he dominates from start to finish, and he's played games where he pulled out wins from a very disadvantageous position. - He's displayed REMARKABLE game sense (worthy of being the Neo-Savior, which is the highest praise someone can give regarding game sense). - He's made some amazing micro plays when it counted (watch his Tank surround against Mind in GOM game 3, an incredible response to a great build executed by a master that singlehandedly won him the game). - He's demonstrated S-class macro when necessary on multiple occasions. - He pulled back a game from a losing position by outplaying Flash of all players in the late game (something only Jaedong is also capable of doing for Zergs). - He beat Jaedong and Luxury in ZvZs, and neither game was a fluke You can't say a guy is the "best" player definitively based off of a hot streak outside of the starleagues, but you can still apply common sense. Effort has clearly demonstrated the ability to do everything necessary for a superstar league winner, now he has to do the hard part (which is to actually go through and do it). Common sense tells us that Effort is one of the top 4 players in the world right now, and is playing phenomenally. + Show Spoiler + I hate to make a post like this, but... This. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
some people will say effort aint shit untill he does win a title. you cant please everyone. this guy is playing legendary right now. but thats just right now. we will see. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On June 13 2009 09:12 Avidkeystamper wrote: Geez, don't take everything so literally, it gets hard to discuss things. Streaks don't have to be down to the game for the point to get across -.- "No one is hyping this up to be the best streak in BW history. But going 25-3 is ridiculous." "Looking on TLPD I reckon that might well be the best 28 game record EVER." Again, don't take this so literally and start pointing out semantics and whatnot. What are you even talking about now... I don't get how I'm pointing out semantics, I don't see how what you said could be taken in any other way. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On June 13 2009 11:45 Avidkeystamper wrote: Er...ignore everything but the first part of my sentence. lol, I'm not even sure what the argument is about anymore. But just the fact that he's playing on a level that gets him compared to bisu/jd/leta is proof enough of how well he is playing. I agree you can't compare the stats directly, since effort is pretty protected in proleague. CJ has at least 4 players that they can send out for ace matches, which reduces the chances that he would get sent out on a bad zerg map for an ace match. But all statistics aside, you just have to watch the games he's being showing lately, considering that almost no one on TL had ever heard of effort a year ago, and you start to understand why people are hyping up the guy when he goes on a streak like this. | ||
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SlayerS_`HackeR`
United States190 Posts
I don't know about the other teams | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
Yeah, I don't think it even matters. I'll let the CJ fans hype in peace. To guy above me: 9.5 hours is a lot, it's more than ACE (8 hours), but I don't think it's mindboggling. Though too much practice is a bad thing as well. | ||
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
On June 13 2009 06:34 sixghost wrote: Where are you getting this from? I just checked TLPD, none of those players have had a streak like that. Jaedong's best was 17-3 Bisu's best was 13-3 Leta's best was 23-3 You're wrong about Jaedong. His best was 24-3. ![[image loading]](http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss296/super_katusa/jd.jpg) | ||
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jnheart35
United States178 Posts
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
I suppose in retrospect were people still hesitant to say jaedong is on fire? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On June 13 2009 11:54 Avidkeystamper wrote: To sixghost: Yeah, I don't think it even matters. I'll let the CJ fans hype in peace. To guy above me: 9.5 hours is a lot, it's more than ACE (8 hours), but I don't think it's mindboggling. Though too much practice is a bad thing as well. lol you're disgusting. You try several stupid arguments as to why effort is not that good, fail all of them and then try to spin it off as you letting cj fans hype in peace. ridiculous | ||
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Shuray
Brazil642 Posts
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MoRe_mInErAls
Canada1210 Posts
 Jaedong's streak is actually way more impressive. Look it contains  Bisu,  Flash, sAviOr and an OSL final and semifinal. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On June 13 2009 23:44 fusionsdf wrote: lol you're disgusting. You try several stupid arguments as to why effort is not that good, fail all of them and then try to spin it off as you letting cj fans hype in peace. ridiculous Your CJ bias has blinded you. Do you even know what point I'm trying to get across? I've admitted several times that Effort's gameplay has bordered on S+ class and have agreed with such posters here and in the PR. What do you want from me? I'm just advising a grain of salt. Calm down fusionsdf. See, then I realized people don't like taking a grain of salt, so I'd stop. But then you lash out like me. I've never said Effort's not great, maybe that he's not the best ever or unprecedented, but really. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Edit: Also his schedule was way freaking harder. Bisu, Bo5 versus Flash, Upmagic, and Stork, Lux when he was good, etc etc. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
More awesome Zorg players is awesome. y so hateful? :< | ||
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