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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 13 2009 00:20 GMT
#181
anyone who doesnt think this streak is ridiculously awesome should kill himself
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 13 2009 00:30 GMT
#182
Quick, every skeptic commit honorable seppuku this instant, you might disagree with other people on starcraft!
Remember Violet.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 13 2009 01:21 GMT
#183
Sure, he improved... but that doesn't mean anything until he wins a title.
Brood War loyalist
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 01:59:12
June 13 2009 01:58 GMT
#184
Let's stop talking about records for a second and reflect on his play. This guy has looked insanely good.

- He's played games where he dominates from start to finish, and he's played games where he pulled out wins from a very disadvantageous position.

- He's displayed REMARKABLE game sense (worthy of being the Neo-Savior, which is the highest praise someone can give regarding game sense).

- He's made some amazing micro plays when it counted (watch his Tank surround against Mind in GOM game 3, an incredible response to a great build executed by a master that singlehandedly won him the game).

- He's demonstrated S-class macro when necessary on multiple occasions.

- He pulled back a game from a losing position by outplaying Flash of all players in the late game (something only Jaedong is also capable of doing for Zergs).

- He beat Jaedong and Luxury in ZvZs, and neither game was a fluke

You can't say a guy is the "best" player definitively based off of a hot streak outside of the starleagues, but you can still apply common sense. Effort has clearly demonstrated the ability to do everything necessary for a superstar league winner, now he has to do the hard part (which is to actually go through and do it). Common sense tells us that Effort is one of the top 4 players in the world right now, and is playing phenomenally.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 02:23:50
June 13 2009 02:23 GMT
#185
On June 13 2009 10:58 darktreb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Let's stop talking about records for a second and reflect on his play. This guy has looked insanely good.

- He's played games where he dominates from start to finish, and he's played games where he pulled out wins from a very disadvantageous position.

- He's displayed REMARKABLE game sense (worthy of being the Neo-Savior, which is the highest praise someone can give regarding game sense).

- He's made some amazing micro plays when it counted (watch his Tank surround against Mind in GOM game 3, an incredible response to a great build executed by a master that singlehandedly won him the game).

- He's demonstrated S-class macro when necessary on multiple occasions.

- He pulled back a game from a losing position by outplaying Flash of all players in the late game (something only Jaedong is also capable of doing for Zergs).

- He beat Jaedong and Luxury in ZvZs, and neither game was a fluke

You can't say a guy is the "best" player definitively based off of a hot streak outside of the starleagues, but you can still apply common sense. Effort has clearly demonstrated the ability to do everything necessary for a superstar league winner, now he has to do the hard part (which is to actually go through and do it). Common sense tells us that Effort is one of the top 4 players in the world right now, and is playing phenomenally.


+ Show Spoiler +
I hate to make a post like this, but...

This.
Jaedong
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 02:42:51
June 13 2009 02:41 GMT
#186
some people say lux aint shit he just won a title cause of luck...
some people will say effort aint shit untill he does win a title.
you cant please everyone. this guy is playing legendary right now. but thats just right now. we will see.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
June 13 2009 02:42 GMT
#187
On June 13 2009 09:12 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Geez, don't take everything so literally, it gets hard to discuss things. Streaks don't have to be down to the game for the point to get across -.-

"No one is hyping this up to be the best streak in BW history. But going 25-3 is ridiculous."

"Looking on TLPD I reckon that might well be the best 28 game record EVER."

Again, don't take this so literally and start pointing out semantics and whatnot.

What are you even talking about now... I don't get how I'm pointing out semantics, I don't see how what you said could be taken in any other way.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 02:48:07
June 13 2009 02:45 GMT
#188
Er...ignore everything but the first sentence.
Jaedong
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
June 13 2009 02:50 GMT
#189
On June 13 2009 11:45 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Er...ignore everything but the first part of my sentence.

lol, I'm not even sure what the argument is about anymore. But just the fact that he's playing on a level that gets him compared to bisu/jd/leta is proof enough of how well he is playing. I agree you can't compare the stats directly, since effort is pretty protected in proleague. CJ has at least 4 players that they can send out for ace matches, which reduces the chances that he would get sent out on a bad zerg map for an ace match.

But all statistics aside, you just have to watch the games he's being showing lately, considering that almost no one on TL had ever heard of effort a year ago, and you start to understand why people are hyping up the guy when he goes on a streak like this.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
SlayerS_`HackeR`
Profile Joined November 2008
United States190 Posts
June 13 2009 02:51 GMT
#190
CJ Entus practices at least 9.5 hours a day is what I hear... That's a lot

I don't know about the other teams
- i pwn n00bs -
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 02:59:38
June 13 2009 02:54 GMT
#191
To sixghost:
Yeah, I don't think it even matters. I'll let the CJ fans hype in peace.
To guy above me:
9.5 hours is a lot, it's more than ACE (8 hours), but I don't think it's mindboggling. Though too much practice is a bad thing as well.
Jaedong
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 12:55:31
June 13 2009 12:51 GMT
#192
On June 13 2009 06:34 sixghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2009 04:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 13 2009 03:41 sixghost wrote:
On June 13 2009 02:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I wouldn't call Luxury a legendary player. Legendarily bad at being consistent, maybe.
"25-3 is 25 and 3. If it was so easy for EffOrt to accomplish, then why doesn't it happen really often?"
It happened 3 other times within the last ~4 months.

Please point out the other 3 people who have gone 25-3 in the past 4 months.

Bisu, Jaedong, Leta.

Where are you getting this from? I just checked TLPD, none of those players have had a streak like that.

Jaedong's best was 17-3
Bisu's best was 13-3
Leta's best was 23-3

You're wrong about Jaedong. His best was 24-3.

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jnheart35
Profile Joined February 2009
United States178 Posts
June 13 2009 13:43 GMT
#193
Above post owned you.
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 13:48:09
June 13 2009 13:44 GMT
#194
Okay so who cares about then still? one win difference? That was a year ago, sure thats awesome, but this is NOW. Effort is the peak of the modern zerg right now. Like I would say Leta is the peak of the modern terran right now. At least in play style. There are very few people ranked higher then them in what they do best. But they play in the newest most successful fashion possible. So there you have it.

I suppose in retrospect were people still hesitant to say jaedong is on fire?
Hoo Ra!
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 13 2009 14:44 GMT
#195
On June 13 2009 11:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:
To sixghost:
Yeah, I don't think it even matters. I'll let the CJ fans hype in peace.
To guy above me:
9.5 hours is a lot, it's more than ACE (8 hours), but I don't think it's mindboggling. Though too much practice is a bad thing as well.


lol you're disgusting. You try several stupid arguments as to why effort is not that good, fail all of them and then try to spin it off as you letting cj fans hype in peace.

ridiculous
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Shuray
Profile Joined July 2008
Brazil642 Posts
June 13 2009 17:30 GMT
#196
He'd really proved himself as a topplayer lately, I hope he can keep on playing amazingly
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 17:51:22
June 13 2009 17:51 GMT
#197
Looking back (Z)Jaedong's streak is actually way more impressive. Look it contains (P)Bisu, (T)Flash, (Z)sAviOr and an OSL final and semifinal.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 17:59:12
June 13 2009 17:51 GMT
#198
On June 13 2009 23:44 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2009 11:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:
To sixghost:
Yeah, I don't think it even matters. I'll let the CJ fans hype in peace.
To guy above me:
9.5 hours is a lot, it's more than ACE (8 hours), but I don't think it's mindboggling. Though too much practice is a bad thing as well.


lol you're disgusting. You try several stupid arguments as to why effort is not that good, fail all of them and then try to spin it off as you letting cj fans hype in peace.

ridiculous

Your CJ bias has blinded you. Do you even know what point I'm trying to get across? I've admitted several times that Effort's gameplay has bordered on S+ class and have agreed with such posters here and in the PR. What do you want from me? I'm just advising a grain of salt. Calm down fusionsdf.
See, then I realized people don't like taking a grain of salt, so I'd stop. But then you lash out like me.
I've never said Effort's not great, maybe that he's not the best ever or unprecedented, but really.
Jaedong
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-13 19:34:19
June 13 2009 19:30 GMT
#199
The most indicative thing about Jaedong's 24-3 compared to Effort's 25-3 is that Jaedong has 3 Best of Five matches in it, in two tournaments that he ended up winning. I'd personally say that that's a little more impressive even if it isn't numerically better.

Edit: Also his schedule was way freaking harder. Bisu, Bo5 versus Flash, Upmagic, and Stork, Lux when he was good, etc etc.
Remember Violet.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
June 13 2009 20:07 GMT
#200
Effort is awesome. Zorg is awesome.

More awesome Zorg players is awesome.

y so hateful? :<
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