EPT[Spoilers] Effort's record - Page 9
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Vasoline73
United States7817 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 12 2009 07:47 OneOther wrote: What the fuck? I am by no means a fan of EffOrt or CJ but I don't understand how you can say this. He beat Flash, Stork, Jaedong, Mind, and several other good players. The three losses come from Bisu at his best PvZ ,Yellow's ZvZ, and Mind in which EffOrt won the series anyway. What he's doing right now is very special and impressive. I honestly don't know what you guys expect to see. Consecutive BO3 victories against Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash? Of course he still has lots to prove, at least until he wins or comes close to winning an individual title. Still, it's pretty amazing. No one isn't saying it isn't really impressive. It's just jumping the gun saying he's the TOP or something because a lot of the players aren't too notable. Is he on fire right now? Yes. Is he outplaying most other players at the moment? Yes. Is he still under Flash/Jaedong/Bisu as overall skill level in a BoX series? Most likely. It's merely noting the record itself is due largely to the people he played. Compared to a normal S-class player's lineup, OVERALL (you mention 4 actual names out of... 25 wins?) a lot along the way were bottom of progamer level. | ||
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BBS
Germany204 Posts
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dmfg
United Kingdom591 Posts
If he can keep this up in consecutive BO matches against opponents prepared for him (and which he likewise is preparing against), then he will win a SL and then maybe we can cart out these stats to say "look how good he was". But if he can't then he'll just be another Leta, and that'll just be a huge letdown. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
Where are you getting this from? I just checked TLPD, none of those players have had a streak like that. Jaedong's best was 17-3 Bisu's best was 13-3 Leta's best was 23-3 | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2749 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 13 2009 05:11 SimonB wrote: I think he is likely to taper off soon. He's playing really well, but I do think a significant portion of it is statistical anomaly. He's still not among the top 4 players in my mind. Who is the top4 for you? Bisu, Jaedong, Flash and...? | ||
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gk_ender
United States717 Posts
On June 13 2009 06:34 sixghost wrote: Where are you getting this from? I just checked TLPD, none of those players have had a streak like that. Jaedong's best was 17-3 Bisu's best was 13-3 Leta's best was 23-3 again, the point is everyone is now realizing effort has improved. Not just us, but koreans too. What does this mean? His 25 and 3 record is against progamer chumps comparitivley. Y does this not normally happen,with bisu and jd, easy anwser. Because coaches spend days trying to figure out how to nuetralize those players, they have teams snipe them, they make them play 2 games a night, anything to get them down, and they always put up damn good players against them. Effort, not so much, hes gotten a few big names under his belt, but when u consider that he beat flash and jd in best of ones, versus bisu beating jangbi, jd, hiya (effort beat him too but hiays tvz sucks ass), zero, calm (hell actually every zerg except great, and every toss except stork) u can just see that the caliber of players that he plays almost daily are on another level. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On June 13 2009 06:34 sixghost wrote: Where are you getting this from? I just checked TLPD, none of those players have had a streak like that. Jaedong's best was 17-3 Bisu's best was 13-3 Leta's best was 23-3 I'm saying they had runs that were comparable. If someone went 26-4 or whatever, does that disqualify them because 4 losses is really different from 3? The three losses is cherry-picked specifically for Effort so we have to cherry pick for the others as well. We're not measuring other progamers against Effort, we're measuring Effort against the other progamers. Right now, anyways. Okay, if you're saying that I didn't satisfy the original request, I satisfied its spirit, not the word, because 23-3 is comparable to 25-3. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On June 13 2009 07:26 Avidkeystamper wrote: I was just rebutting your point. The only player even close to efforts streak right now is leta. You made it sound like this was a common occurance to have a streak this good.I'm saying they had runs that were comparable. If someone went 26-4 or whatever, does that disqualify them because 4 losses is really different from 3? The three losses is cherry-picked specifically for Effort so we have to cherry pick for the others as well. We're not measuring other progamers against Effort, we're measuring Effort against the other progamers. Right now, anyways. Okay, if you're saying that I didn't satisfy the original request, I satisfied its spirit, not the word, because 23-3 is comparable to 25-3. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On June 13 2009 07:44 sixghost wrote: I was just rebutting your point. The only player even close to efforts streak right now is leta. You made it sound like this was a common occurance to have a streak this good. I'm saying it happens for than people think. They're hyping the streak as the end all of the game. Unfortunately, a lot of the other player's streak were less impressive because they played Bo5s. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 13 2009 06:34 sixghost wrote: Where are you getting this from? I just checked TLPD, none of those players have had a streak like that. Jaedong's best was 17-3 Bisu's best was 13-3 Leta's best was 23-3 What kind of arbitrary streak is it that has 3 losses, anyhow? The only real "streaks" would be consecutive wins. It's an impressive recent record, but winning streaks don't have losses in them. The best winning streaks go to Jaedong and Oov, if I'm not mistaken. He's second place for the "Best streak with up to 3 losses," next to Oov's 26-3, but that's still arbitrary beyond reckoning. I'm happy to admit he's an incredible player who's been out of this world consistent lately, but his best streak is still 9 wins. Poinitively, if he had continued his amazing dominance in series play, he'd have the best streak ever, because he wouldn't have dropped a game to a slumping Mind. I honestly think series play is Effort's biggest possible shortcoming, but it's a wait and see type deal. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
I seriously doubt he will make it to the Ro4 in any starleague this season. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
and he has only 1 MSL. Shows how much streaks matter | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
On June 13 2009 06:29 dmfg wrote: It's a really good record, but it's just that so far. Win/loss records mean nothing without SL wins, or at least consistently good runs in at least one of them (EDIT: by which I mean, noone will remember the guy who goes on a 30 game winning rampage if he never reaches a SL final in his career, for example). If he can keep this up in consecutive BO matches against opponents prepared for him (and which he likewise is preparing against), then he will win a SL and then maybe we can cart out these stats to say "look how good he was". But if he can't then he'll just be another Leta, and that'll just be a huge letdown. You are implying that Leta is finished. Have you seen him play? He's had ONE OSL chance and TWO MSL chances, and he made the Ro8 in the MSL last season. Leta is FAR from being done, so don't consider him to be "another Leta". "Another Sea[Shield]" is much more accurate at this moment. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On June 13 2009 08:24 TwoToneTerran wrote: What kind of arbitrary streak is it that has 3 losses, anyhow? The only real "streaks" would be consecutive wins. It's an impressive recent record, but winning streaks don't have losses in them. The best winning streaks go to Jaedong and Oov, if I'm not mistaken. He's second place for the "Best streak with up to 3 losses," next to Oov's 26-3, but that's still arbitrary beyond reckoning. I'm happy to admit he's an incredible player who's been out of this world consistent lately, but his best streak is still 9 wins. Poinitively, if he had continued his amazing dominance in series play, he'd have the best streak ever, because he wouldn't have dropped a game to a slumping Mind. I honestly think series play is Effort's biggest possible shortcoming, but it's a wait and see type deal. Go back and maybe read the post I was responding to? He said that there were 3 other players who had went 25-3 in the last 4 months. No one is hyping this up to be the best streak in BW history. But going 25-3 is ridiculous. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
"No one is hyping this up to be the best streak in BW history. But going 25-3 is ridiculous." "Looking on TLPD I reckon that might well be the best 28 game record EVER." Again, don't take this so literally and start pointing out semantics and whatnot. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
On June 13 2009 08:33 ArvickHero wrote: The best winning streak goes to Gorush with an incredible 16 wins and he has only 1 MSL. Shows how much streaks matter Dude, this is the internet; if your being sarcastic you gotta really mean it... and if not, fuck you I love GoRush (  ) | ||
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