EPT[Spoilers] Effort's record - Page 11
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On June 13 2009 21:51 Dice84 wrote: You're wrong about Jaedong. His best was 24-3. ![[image loading]](http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss296/super_katusa/jd.jpg) That is fucking impressive. 3 Bo5s, vs the 2nd best toss in finals, a Terran that was doing well at the time, and the best T of the time. The game vs Best on Demon's forest was an all in by JD vs Best, 1hat hydra due to map imbalance. His loss vs stork on persona was also a lurk/ling all in. So the only straight up loss on that list was a loss to Flash's mech on Katrina. That shows you to the extent of his dominance. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On June 14 2009 02:51 Avidkeystamper wrote: Your CJ bias has blinded you. Do you even know what point I'm trying to get across? I've admitted several times that Effort's gameplay has bordered on S+ class and have agreed with such posters here and in the PR. What do you want from me? I'm just advising a grain of salt. Calm down fusionsdf. See, then I realized people don't like taking a grain of salt, so I'd stop. But then you lash out like me. I've never said Effort's not great, maybe that he's not the best ever or unprecedented, but really. thats cool then you've been arguing with no one for the past couple pages. Nobody I think is seriously calling effort greatest player ever. But just keep making stupid arguments and say everyone who calls you out on it a blind fanboy if it makes you happy. | ||
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ProwL
United States56 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On June 13 2009 10:21 meegrean wrote: Sure, he improved... but that doesn't mean anything until he wins a title. it does have you heard about proleague? you know, where progamers are sitting on bench | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On June 13 2009 22:44 HooHa! wrote: I suppose in retrospect were people still hesitant to say jaedong is on fire? Not really? He kinda royal roaded the OSL | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On June 14 2009 05:25 fusionsdf wrote: thats cool then you've been arguing with no one for the past couple pages. Nobody I think is seriously calling effort greatest player ever. But just keep making stupid arguments and say everyone who calls you out on it a blind fanboy if it makes you happy. It does just like it makes you happy. Since everyone who called me out is just you. | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
On June 13 2009 21:51 Dice84 wrote: You're wrong about Jaedong. His best was 24-3. O.O omfg Jaedong is a beast... omg this streak of Effort is good, very good he is a good player probably the n2 Zerg right now.. but Jaedong >>>>>>>>>>> Effort | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On June 14 2009 08:57 FranzF1 wrote: but Jaedong >>>>>>>>>>> Effort Not at all. | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Jaedong > Effort, but yeah probably not >>>>>>>>>>> | ||
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
And watching Effort's games I didn't think of him as anything too special then This really caught me off guard lol Effort came out of nowhere and just started dropping top players like flies Glad to see the Zerg have another powerhouse on their side. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Sweet Jesus Effort has passed Bisu in ELO. He is now a whole 9 ELO points away from clear first. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On June 14 2009 05:15 samachking wrote: That is fucking impressive. 3 Bo5s, vs the 2nd best toss in finals, a Terran that was doing well at the time, and the best T of the time. The game vs Best on Demon's forest was an all in by JD vs Best, 1hat hydra due to map imbalance. His loss vs stork on persona was also a lurk/ling all in. So the only straight up loss on that list was a loss to Flash's mech on Katrina. That shows you to the extent of his dominance. You can't discount his all-in losses while counting his all-in wins. In fact you can't discount anything at all, except for that Demon Forest thing which was a ridic rigged map. Why? Because of balance: going for all-in in a game effects not only that game but others: it's balances your range of builds and effects how players play against you. | ||
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
I don't think winning winning more PL matches against mediocre players can say anymore about Effort. Sure, adding to the already impressive streak is good, but it really no longer acts as a testament to his skills. As people have been saying in this thread the PR comments, he needs to start winning BoX matches and standing with the top players in the individual leagues. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On June 13 2009 21:51 Dice84 wrote: You're wrong about Jaedong. His best was 24-3. He said "in the last 4 months". I didn't look back that far. That streak was from over a year ago. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On June 16 2009 09:44 B1nary wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't think winning winning more PL matches against mediocre players can say anymore about Effort. Sure, adding to the already impressive streak is good, but it really no longer acts as a testament to his skills. As people have been saying in this thread the PR comments, he needs to start winning BoX matches and standing with the top players in the individual leagues. + Show Spoiler + Actually, the way ELO ratings work make it just as hard to gain X points over a long run from a player rated 200 points below you as it is from someone rated 200 points above you, UNLESS one of you has recently changed skill level drastically. In ELO, if a 2280 player plays a 2000 rated player for 10,000 games, they will theoretically both end with the same rating they started at. The real, important conclusion: you can't newb-bash in ELO. So saying that Effort's ELO doesn't count because he's only playing weak players doesn't make sense (edit: nobody is actually specifically saying this). That said, there is still variance in any game and as such I'd say Effort is overrated and running hot. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
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oBlade
United States6171 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
I guess it was bad of me to say other players have accomplished a 25-3. What I meant was that other players have recently accomplished a streak that is comparable or better (or slightly worse) than Effort's based on who they've played and such. I didn't expect to be taken so literally. | ||
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