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On June 12 2009 07:59 HooHa! wrote:
I think people who choose random variance or evenly split variance and practice is not looking at all and doesn't know what they are talking about. Sure you look at results but do you watch the game!? Come back till you do.
I could watch his games and see absolutely stunning play and still claim fully within reason that variance is a factor. I think it's ridiculous to say that it's not.
If you say that variance is not a factor then you are saying that you expect Effort to continue this 90+% win rate. You are saying that 90% win against the general field is an accurate representation of his true skill level relative to the rest of the proleague players.
Bisu currently says in interviews that he doesn't think he can maintain 80% win rate. The most dominant pro sc players in history didn't have anything approaching 90% win rate. I'm not the most knowledgeable person about sports but as far as I know in professional sports such as NBA or MLB which have large sample sizes nobody maintains a 90% win rate.
So yes, Effort is amazing. But "variance is involved" is a very reasonable answer to the poll.
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Effort is definitely improving very quickly. Savior is definitely doing to EffOrt what iloveoov did to Fantasy, and there is great improvement 
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my theory is  Jaedong and EffOrt have switched skins and thats why EffOrt is doing well now, that or hes dramatically improved.
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Btw I posted this in the MSL live report thread, but didn't really get a response.
So anyway, before Effort's games last night, he was at 2269 ELO, and is now sitting pretty at 2280 ELO.
So out of curiosity, and for some hype. How many more games would he have to win consecutively to break 2300? I guess it depends on his next round opponent (who is it most likely to be?) and who he plays in PL. But I'm thinking 4? wins against decent opponents or 5?
HYPE HYPE HYPE - Effort to join ranks of 2300+ ELO players - HYPE HYPE HYPE
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Let's just hope Savior and Effort won't have to play each other in the MSL...
Effort might lose deliberately then.
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On June 12 2009 08:09 Fr33t wrote:Meh, it's a pretty impressive streak, but you really must take a good luck at just who he has been playing. Sure, he has had quite a few big wins against the top players on the scene right now, but that only counts for a small portion of the 28 games you listed. What about all the filler in between? + Show Spoiler +doctor.k (lol)
ganzi (lol)
free (2-8 oh boy)
hyun (3-7 woah!)
lucifer (even better 1-9)
forgg (nuff said)
pure (2-8)
ruby*2 (2-8)
july (3 zvz wins in the past year)
bogus (who?)
baby (3-7 watch game against JD for lulz)
hiya (hiya's TvZ T_T) He has certainly come a long way in these 28 games considering that he was on a 5 game losing streak going into them, but imo he is still only top 5. It is going to be very interesting to see if he can keep this up through the SL's and earn a title.
i really really wish people would just completely stop keeping track of statistics
watch his fucking games
he is playing ridiculously fucking good and you sit there bitching that his list of opponents isnt strong enough
WATCH HIM PLAY
goddamn
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On June 12 2009 09:17 Gustav_Wind wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 07:59 HooHa! wrote:
I think people who choose random variance or evenly split variance and practice is not looking at all and doesn't know what they are talking about. Sure you look at results but do you watch the game!? Come back till you do. I could watch his games and see absolutely stunning play and still claim fully within reason that variance is a factor. I think it's ridiculous to say that it's not. If you say that variance is not a factor then you are saying that you expect Effort to continue this 90+% win rate. You are saying that 90% win against the general field is an accurate representation of his true skill level relative to the rest of the proleague players. Bisu currently says in interviews that he doesn't think he can maintain 80% win rate. The most dominant pro sc players in history didn't have anything approaching 90% win rate. I'm not the most knowledgeable person about sports but as far as I know in professional sports such as NBA or MLB which have large sample sizes nobody maintains a 90% win rate. So yes, Effort is amazing. But "variance is involved" is a very reasonable answer to the poll.
Some sports, like tennis, have ridic winrates.
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On June 12 2009 09:37 SuperArc wrote:
Let's just hope Savior and Effort won't have to play each other in the MSL...
Effort might lose deliberately then.
Even if he tried to Savior would still lose. Sorry savior fanbois.
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Effort is definitely one of the best Zerg players on the scene. He always showed some promise ever since that period where a lot of new Zerg players started showing up since the end of 2v2, although for a little while his ZvT was kinda dismal.
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lol at powerrank putting effort over bisu though, or even jaedong.
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I can't wait for Effort to get trashed in all three starleagues. Then this sillly hype will finally stop. I remember last season with Leta tearing it up in the Proleague and then being hyped for the Starleagues.
Effort is only going to be Leta level and he's getting overhyped because of a hot streak in the Proleagues.
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On June 12 2009 09:41 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 08:09 Fr33t wrote:Meh, it's a pretty impressive streak, but you really must take a good luck at just who he has been playing. Sure, he has had quite a few big wins against the top players on the scene right now, but that only counts for a small portion of the 28 games you listed. What about all the filler in between? + Show Spoiler +doctor.k (lol)
ganzi (lol)
free (2-8 oh boy)
hyun (3-7 woah!)
lucifer (even better 1-9)
forgg (nuff said)
pure (2-8)
ruby*2 (2-8)
july (3 zvz wins in the past year)
bogus (who?)
baby (3-7 watch game against JD for lulz)
hiya (hiya's TvZ T_T) He has certainly come a long way in these 28 games considering that he was on a 5 game losing streak going into them, but imo he is still only top 5. It is going to be very interesting to see if he can keep this up through the SL's and earn a title. i really really wish people would just completely stop keeping track of statistics watch his fucking games he is playing ridiculously fucking good and you sit there bitching that his list of opponents isnt strong enough WATCH HIM PLAY goddamn
This.
Also:
On June 12 2009 08:15 B1nary wrote:
Hot Bid, that post brought a tear to my eye. Neo Savior fighting!
Idra, if you ever read this, some insider information would be greatly appreciated. How good is he in practice? Does he really have a mentor/mentee relationship with savior?
Care to comment Idra? Please please.
On June 12 2009 09:47 Mind_Slicer wrote:
I can't wait for Effort to get trashed in all three starleagues. Then this sillly hype will finally stop. I remember last season with Leta tearing it up in the Proleague and then being hyped for the Starleagues.
Effort is only going to be Leta level and he's getting overhyped because of a hot streak in the Proleagues.
He's into the round of 16 in all three leagues, and I think coming up from the offlines in all three? (Correct me if I'm wrong, maybe not GOM at least).
That's pretty impressive already.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On June 12 2009 09:41 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 08:09 Fr33t wrote:Meh, it's a pretty impressive streak, but you really must take a good luck at just who he has been playing. Sure, he has had quite a few big wins against the top players on the scene right now, but that only counts for a small portion of the 28 games you listed. What about all the filler in between? + Show Spoiler +doctor.k (lol)
ganzi (lol)
free (2-8 oh boy)
hyun (3-7 woah!)
lucifer (even better 1-9)
forgg (nuff said)
pure (2-8)
ruby*2 (2-8)
july (3 zvz wins in the past year)
bogus (who?)
baby (3-7 watch game against JD for lulz)
hiya (hiya's TvZ T_T) He has certainly come a long way in these 28 games considering that he was on a 5 game losing streak going into them, but imo he is still only top 5. It is going to be very interesting to see if he can keep this up through the SL's and earn a title. i really really wish people would just completely stop keeping track of statistics watch his fucking games he is playing ridiculously fucking good and you sit there bitching that his list of opponents isnt strong enough WATCH HIM PLAY goddamn
Exactly! (Although IdrA, despite the fact that you might know better than anyone else here, you'll be accused of obvious bias...)
What kind of point is it to show all the bad players EffOrt's played recently? So what? He beat them didn't he? Can you seriously argue that EffOrt IS a bad player because he crushes bad players?
This would be a valid argument if EffOrt hadn't knocked off good players like... uh... Jaedong, Stork, Luxury, Mind, hyvaa, UpMaGiC, great, and Flash in the same period. Unfortunately, I didn't just make that list up, those are players EffOrt has stomped since the 19th of April.
EDIT: IdrA, do you have a good nickname for EffOrt? I think he looks like a zerg, is that fair? "Alien" seems to be the front runner, with the more formal; "Neo-savior"
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It's like he leveled up after CJ won the WL finals
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On June 12 2009 09:47 IdrA wrote:
really good and yes
Badass. Thanks Idra.
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It's also interesting to note that Effort is one of the few Zerg players that still goes 3hatch in ZvT regularly.
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United States11393 Posts
On June 12 2009 10:00 koreasilver wrote:
It's also interesting to note that Effort is one of the few Zerg players that still goes 3hatch in ZvT regularly.
I saw him do 2hat builds in GOM and was like wat the fuck.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On June 12 2009 09:26 StalkerSC wrote:my theory is Jaedong and EffOrt have switched skins and thats why EffOrt is doing well now, that or hes dramatically improved.
The latter.
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