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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 06 2009 18:52 GMT
#121
all I can say is WOW pro gaming is bs these days rofl
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
June 06 2009 19:09 GMT
#122
On June 07 2009 03:45 Nytefish wrote:
I can see it already, July 2009: KeSPA introduces full body cavity searches before every game.

But I don't want to wait an hour to see July play =[
Jaedong
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
June 06 2009 19:21 GMT
#123
... whats up with the extreme Kespa hate???

Ofc they fucked up big time in the past and its ok to dislike them in general, but in this case Kespa did NOTHING which is bad.

It was the Coach who wanted a pause. Kespa didn't even thought about it without the coach.
So come on, have some manners.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
June 06 2009 19:29 GMT
#124
On June 07 2009 04:09 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 03:45 Nytefish wrote:
I can see it already, July 2009: KeSPA introduces full body cavity searches before every game.

But I don't want to wait an hour to see July play =[


Nise
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
June 06 2009 19:32 GMT
#125
On June 07 2009 04:21 MasterReY wrote:
... whats up with the extreme Kespa hate???

Ofc they fucked up big time in the past and its ok to dislike them in general, but in this case Kespa did NOTHING which is bad.

It was the Coach who wanted a pause. Kespa didn't even thought about it without the coach.
So come on, have some manners.


This gentleman holds a great point.
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
June 06 2009 19:32 GMT
#126
in effect that scv was suspect..
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 06 2009 19:34 GMT
#127
On June 06 2009 17:57 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 17:53 konadora wrote:
It's like when SKT1 sent out players like Best and TheZerg for ace match.

Nope, this is way worse than any instance I can recall of T1 sending BeSt or Thezerg:
a) Terran map
b) fOrGG lost to Leta the last time they played - in the ace game of KT's last match vs Hite
c) Flash just beat Leta with a ridiculous comeback
d) Flash is clearly superior to fOrGG in all matchups, but especially TvT


hell sair and shine are probably better than forgg right now
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-fj.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Samoa462 Posts
June 06 2009 19:36 GMT
#128
On June 06 2009 17:56 Rostam wrote:
I really don't see why they can't just have one-way glass..



There is no such thing as one way glass. The way one way mirrors work is that one side is very bright and the other is very dark. If they did this they would have to do away with all the lights outside the booth.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
June 06 2009 19:45 GMT
#129
On June 07 2009 04:32 MutaDoom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 04:21 MasterReY wrote:
... whats up with the extreme Kespa hate???

Ofc they fucked up big time in the past and its ok to dislike them in general, but in this case Kespa did NOTHING which is bad.

It was the Coach who wanted a pause. Kespa didn't even thought about it without the coach.
So come on, have some manners.


This gentleman holds a great point.

I recalled the KTF coach ask for a time almost right after he suspect Leta looking for a singal in the crowd. The kespa ref took too long to decide whether to ask for a pause or not. The game continues and Leta defended ForGG's proxy cheese prefectly. THEN the kespa ref ask for a pause...

If the kespa ref had ask for the pause anytime before both players' armies engage, starting a new game is very legitmate...
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 06 2009 19:45 GMT
#130
On June 07 2009 04:21 MasterReY wrote:
... whats up with the extreme Kespa hate???

Ofc they fucked up big time in the past and its ok to dislike them in general, but in this case Kespa did NOTHING which is bad.

It was the Coach who wanted a pause. Kespa didn't even thought about it without the coach.
So come on, have some manners.

Uhhh...did you read the thread?

On June 06 2009 17:43 JWD wrote:
Once again, KeSPA's lack of useful rules manages to unnecessarily interfere with an important game. Here's basically what I said in the LR thread:

The ref should have let the game play out, then reviewed the footage, then decided whether a regame or DQ was warranted. Coaches should absolutely not be able to inspire game pauses (this puts too much power in the hands of coaches and is unfair to the player who has the momentum in the set) - the ref himself has to see something warranting a pause.

The lesson we've learned is that if you want to give your man some time to mellow out in the booth after a rough mistake, just go complain of foul play.


On June 06 2009 18:06 JWD wrote:
Honestly, it's just pathetic that a coach complaining during a game is a completely foreign situation for a KeSPA ref to find himself in. This incident is on the most fundamental level of sports conflict resolution: opposing team makes an unsubstantiated claim during an ongoing match/game. I really can't believe that KeSPA didn't have a procedure for addressing this, and also that the path the ref chose (pausing the game) was clearly wrong.

I guess there is a silver lining: all of these incidents might force KeSPA to adopt some useful rules about how to deal with in-match disputes to go along with all of their useless bullshit about what players can and cannot type during a game.


✌
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
June 06 2009 19:53 GMT
#131
How hard can it be.

One-way glass.
Sound proof booth.

Problem solved.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6167 Posts
June 06 2009 19:56 GMT
#132
On June 07 2009 04:36 -fj. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 17:56 Rostam wrote:
I really don't see why they can't just have one-way glass..



There is no such thing as one way glass. The way one way mirrors work is that one side is very bright and the other is very dark. If they did this they would have to do away with all the lights outside the booth.


http://www.polytronix.com/privacyglass.htm

http://www.lci.kent.edu/switch.html

http://www.glass-resource.com/sub/special/privacy.htm

http://www.glassonweb.com/glassmanual/topics/index/crystal.htm
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 06 2009 19:57 GMT
#133
why forgg T_T
Jaedong :3
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 06 2009 20:05 GMT
#134
On June 07 2009 04:36 -fj. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 17:56 Rostam wrote:
I really don't see why they can't just have one-way glass..



There is no such thing as one way glass. The way one way mirrors work is that one side is very bright and the other is very dark. If they did this they would have to do away with all the lights outside the booth.


you could just have lights inside the booth specifically to shine on the glass. Enough glare should be produced that you couldn't see out.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
zyxjk
Profile Joined March 2009
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-06 20:06:43
June 06 2009 20:05 GMT
#135
On June 07 2009 04:56 Piste wrote:
http://www.polytronix.com/privacyglass.htm

http://www.lci.kent.edu/switch.html

http://www.glass-resource.com/sub/special/privacy.htm

http://www.glassonweb.com/glassmanual/topics/index/crystal.htm


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think when you switch the switch to "off" both sides can't see in or out. Therefore its not "one-way" glass.

Edit: oops.
the world was their playground, until the fateful day when they were hit by a bus on the way to subway
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
June 06 2009 20:09 GMT
#136
lolol
Mind reading hax hax hax
HAXOR!

previous haxors include, boxer, oov, nada and savior for their outstanding gameplay
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anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
June 06 2009 20:11 GMT
#137
On June 07 2009 05:05 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 04:36 -fj. wrote:
On June 06 2009 17:56 Rostam wrote:
I really don't see why they can't just have one-way glass..



There is no such thing as one way glass. The way one way mirrors work is that one side is very bright and the other is very dark. If they did this they would have to do away with all the lights outside the booth.


you could just have lights inside the booth specifically to shine on the glass. Enough glare should be produced that you couldn't see out.


but then their monitors would have terrible glare as well
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
June 06 2009 20:11 GMT
#138
On June 07 2009 04:45 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 04:21 MasterReY wrote:
... whats up with the extreme Kespa hate???

Ofc they fucked up big time in the past and its ok to dislike them in general, but in this case Kespa did NOTHING which is bad.

It was the Coach who wanted a pause. Kespa didn't even thought about it without the coach.
So come on, have some manners.

Uhhh...did you read the thread?

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 17:43 JWD wrote:
Once again, KeSPA's lack of useful rules manages to unnecessarily interfere with an important game. Here's basically what I said in the LR thread:

The ref should have let the game play out, then reviewed the footage, then decided whether a regame or DQ was warranted. Coaches should absolutely not be able to inspire game pauses (this puts too much power in the hands of coaches and is unfair to the player who has the momentum in the set) - the ref himself has to see something warranting a pause.

The lesson we've learned is that if you want to give your man some time to mellow out in the booth after a rough mistake, just go complain of foul play.


Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 18:06 JWD wrote:
Honestly, it's just pathetic that a coach complaining during a game is a completely foreign situation for a KeSPA ref to find himself in. This incident is on the most fundamental level of sports conflict resolution: opposing team makes an unsubstantiated claim during an ongoing match/game. I really can't believe that KeSPA didn't have a procedure for addressing this, and also that the path the ref chose (pausing the game) was clearly wrong.

I guess there is a silver lining: all of these incidents might force KeSPA to adopt some useful rules about how to deal with in-match disputes to go along with all of their useless bullshit about what players can and cannot type during a game.




Ok yeah i didn't read all 7 pages, thats right.
You have a point.
Coaches shouldn't be allowed to force a pause in such a situation.

I'm sorry
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Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
June 06 2009 20:26 GMT
#139
Is there a reason they don't use mirrored glass for the booths? It would completely eliminate the ability to cheat from looking at the audience.
Super serious.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 06 2009 20:34 GMT
#140
On June 07 2009 04:45 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 04:21 MasterReY wrote:
... whats up with the extreme Kespa hate???

Ofc they fucked up big time in the past and its ok to dislike them in general, but in this case Kespa did NOTHING which is bad.

It was the Coach who wanted a pause. Kespa didn't even thought about it without the coach.
So come on, have some manners.

Uhhh...did you read the thread?

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 17:43 JWD wrote:
Once again, KeSPA's lack of useful rules manages to unnecessarily interfere with an important game. Here's basically what I said in the LR thread:

The ref should have let the game play out, then reviewed the footage, then decided whether a regame or DQ was warranted. Coaches should absolutely not be able to inspire game pauses (this puts too much power in the hands of coaches and is unfair to the player who has the momentum in the set) - the ref himself has to see something warranting a pause.

The lesson we've learned is that if you want to give your man some time to mellow out in the booth after a rough mistake, just go complain of foul play.


Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 18:06 JWD wrote:
Honestly, it's just pathetic that a coach complaining during a game is a completely foreign situation for a KeSPA ref to find himself in. This incident is on the most fundamental level of sports conflict resolution: opposing team makes an unsubstantiated claim during an ongoing match/game. I really can't believe that KeSPA didn't have a procedure for addressing this, and also that the path the ref chose (pausing the game) was clearly wrong.

I guess there is a silver lining: all of these incidents might force KeSPA to adopt some useful rules about how to deal with in-match disputes to go along with all of their useless bullshit about what players can and cannot type during a game.




I don't know, you're really the only one who seems so hardcore about this. If a coach has possible evidence of cheating, he should be able to request a pause at any time during the game. There is no point in letting a game proceed when there is a suspicion of illegitimacy around it.
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