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[Spoilers] Cheat Accusation in Proleague - Page 6

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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
June 06 2009 16:35 GMT
#101
On June 06 2009 17:45 Ftrunkz wrote:
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On June 06 2009 17:41 anch wrote:
KeSPA's Oh Young Jin referee discussed the issue with the coaches from both sides, and after checking the tapes, concluded that Leta's behavior did not have any significant impact on the game itself and resumed the game.

this took 25 minutes??

why not just get a lie detecter?

Do you know how inaccurate lie detectors are? lol.

Yeah polygraph tests are total bullshit.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
June 06 2009 16:42 GMT
#102
It's not Leta's fault that players can see to the audience, and it's not his fault that the booths are badly soundproof.

On June 07 2009 00:53 OmgIRok wrote:
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On June 06 2009 17:41 Last Romantic wrote:
Mrrrr really hard to say either way. One-way glass please -_________-


How are we supposed to get close-ups of players faces during critical moments then? D=


One-way glass ofcourse so that audience can see thru, but players doesn't. ;P
But at least for me it would suck if I'd had to sit insede silent booth from where I couldn't see outside.
What if there would be chaos outside and you'd know nothing about it? It must have something to do with labour protection.
Aurioch
Profile Joined January 2009
United States414 Posts
June 06 2009 16:43 GMT
#103
On June 07 2009 00:53 OmgIRok wrote:
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On June 06 2009 17:41 Last Romantic wrote:
Mrrrr really hard to say either way. One-way glass please -_________-


How are we supposed to get close-ups of players faces during critical moments then? D=


One way glass means you can see the players inside but the players can't see the outside
My life for aiur
danieldrsa
Profile Joined June 2008
Brazil523 Posts
June 06 2009 17:08 GMT
#104
This is something im thinking for a while. Finally a oportunity to say it happened.

When the players do something amazing and the crowd just cry "aaaaahhhhhhh", i think, WTF!
The other player will instantly see something wrong and check everything on his base. Be it for the sound (i dont think booth is 100% sound proof) or the crowd movements.

I really believe this happened uncountable times, the players just try to hide that they reacted based on crowd behavior.

IMO the booth is completely inadequate to esports, as the crowd can spoil things that can turn a game. The one side glass is something to really considerate, not a fun joke.

Yeah, you can argue the difficult to see the players or other things, but assuring that the match is not affected by the crowd is the most important thing IMO.
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sukila
Profile Joined November 2007
Germany57 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-06 17:19:44
June 06 2009 17:17 GMT
#105
hmmm i just watch the game where leta plays against flash...
when u watch the sequence between 1:25-1:27 in this video,it seems like leta is taking a look at the audience....this would be the timing to move out for a center bbs isnt it?
Leta vs Flash

maybe this made the coaches suspicous later on ^.-
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
June 06 2009 17:22 GMT
#106
On June 07 2009 00:59 7mk wrote:
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On June 06 2009 23:57 sixghost wrote:
On June 06 2009 23:46 OreoBoi wrote:
lol does anyone think KT might be trying to not overwork Flash?
If they sent out Flash, there would be shouts of FLASH IS OVERWORKED ZOMFG CHILD LABOUR! KTFLASHH!!
If they don't send out Flash, its AHHHHH KT COACH U ARE SO STUPID!

You think the KTF coaches give a shit what is said about them on message boards?


Actually I'm pretty sure the coach did say that he's very aware of people complaining about flash getting overworked in an interview, that's why the last two trades to KT were Terrans

Being aware of the complaints, and actually caring about them are two different things. His job is to win.
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
June 06 2009 17:22 GMT
#107
Now we know Leta's secret..
They should put progamers in neck braces attached to the monitor so cheating like this can't happen anymore.
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
June 06 2009 17:38 GMT
#108
I was under the impression that the booths were sound proof and you can't look out from the inside. Guess not o_O
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7014 Posts
June 06 2009 18:09 GMT
#109
On June 07 2009 02:38 B1nary wrote:
I was under the impression that the booths were sound proof and you can't look out from the inside. Guess not o_O

GomTV has booths you can't see outside from the inside, no idea why MBC booths are not like.
KillForce
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden36 Posts
June 06 2009 18:12 GMT
#110
On June 07 2009 02:22 sixghost wrote:
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On June 07 2009 00:59 7mk wrote:
On June 06 2009 23:57 sixghost wrote:
On June 06 2009 23:46 OreoBoi wrote:
lol does anyone think KT might be trying to not overwork Flash?
If they sent out Flash, there would be shouts of FLASH IS OVERWORKED ZOMFG CHILD LABOUR! KTFLASHH!!
If they don't send out Flash, its AHHHHH KT COACH U ARE SO STUPID!

You think the KTF coaches give a shit what is said about them on message boards?


Actually I'm pretty sure the coach did say that he's very aware of people complaining about flash getting overworked in an interview, that's why the last two trades to KT were Terrans

Being aware of the complaints, and actually caring about them are two different things. His job is to win.


Well, if overworking him means that he loses motivation/performs worse in individual leagues, that's not a good thing. you have to consider the future/growing your trademark.
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-06 18:13:35
June 06 2009 18:12 GMT
#111
IMHO the point of the argument is that the player who does not cheese gets an unfair advantage if he gets cheesed i.e. crowd goes wild and by elimination standardplayer X knows hes getting cheesed/proxied....

hasnt it occurred to them that since both sides have an equal situation (other than audience being to the left/right of them) then if they want to they can just play standard/non-cheese every fricking game and abuse the fact that if he gets proxied he'll get free crowdhack. Srsly, stop bitching like "omg my uber proz proxy 99 just got crowdhacked" or something, especially since BOTH players get the same frigging audience....
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
June 06 2009 18:15 GMT
#112
lol it would be awesome if the audience learned about this any goes "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" for no apparently reason.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 06 2009 18:20 GMT
#113
On June 07 2009 03:12 JFKWT wrote:
IMHO the point of the argument is that the player who does not cheese gets an unfair advantage if he gets cheesed i.e. crowd goes wild and by elimination standardplayer X knows hes getting cheesed/proxied....

hasnt it occurred to them that since both sides have an equal situation (other than audience being to the left/right of them) then if they want to they can just play standard/non-cheese every fricking game and abuse the fact that if he gets proxied he'll get free crowdhack. Srsly, stop bitching like "omg my uber proz proxy 99 just got crowdhacked" or something, especially since BOTH players get the same frigging audience....


Thats the lamest thing I've heard. Don't cheese, because the crowd will betray you?
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-06 18:25:00
June 06 2009 18:22 GMT
#114
On June 06 2009 17:40 cUrsOr wrote:
leta did look pretty nervous though. lol. he must hate kespa more than anyone. i think he was ready to run.

haha poor leta

also the whole audience = cheating has been considered a lot... they need to fix up the studio.

but im sure that there are players out there who've cheated before using the audience... but I don't really see a good way around this. Cus it would be so weird to be in that little space by yourself unable to see or hear anything form the outside...
ggyo...
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-06 18:35:07
June 06 2009 18:34 GMT
#115
Not really when you're focused on the screen in front of you only.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Rakanishu2
Profile Joined May 2009
United States475 Posts
June 06 2009 18:37 GMT
#116
Has anyone ever thought of the many ways you could cheat in these competitions? I'm sure they can't have cellphones on them, but what about something hidden in their clothes? Or even scarier, some hidden inside their body somewhere :X.

Yea, it sounds creepy, but a great deal of intel could be sent to a player with just a device that can vibrate (so only the player can hear/feel it).

1 Vibrate early game means cheese is coming. When the opponent gets his tech after you lose your scout, 2 buzzes for Reaver Sair, 1 buzz for storm tech, etc. Do they check for these things?
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ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
June 06 2009 18:39 GMT
#117
On June 07 2009 03:37 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Has anyone ever thought of the many ways you could cheat in these competitions? I'm sure they can't have cellphones on them, but what about something hidden in their clothes? Or even scarier, some hidden inside their body somewhere :X.

Yea, it sounds creepy, but a great deal of intel could be sent to a player with just a device that can vibrate (so only the player can hear/feel it).

1 Vibrate early game means cheese is coming. When the opponent gets his tech after you lose your scout, 2 buzzes for Reaver Sair, 1 buzz for storm tech, etc. Do they check for these things?


I think the refs are supose to pat each player down before entering the booth to prevent stuff like that from happening
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
June 06 2009 18:42 GMT
#118
On June 07 2009 03:37 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Has anyone ever thought of the many ways you could cheat in these competitions? I'm sure they can't have cellphones on them, but what about something hidden in their clothes? Or even scarier, some hidden inside their body somewhere :X.

Yea, it sounds creepy, but a great deal of intel could be sent to a player with just a device that can vibrate (so only the player can hear/feel it).

1 Vibrate early game means cheese is coming. When the opponent gets his tech after you lose your scout, 2 buzzes for Reaver Sair, 1 buzz for storm tech, etc. Do they check for these things?
It's in KeSPA rules: All players are checked with a metal detector and patted down, to make sure they only bring their mouse and keyboard into the booth.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
June 06 2009 18:42 GMT
#119
On June 07 2009 03:39 ktp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 03:37 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Has anyone ever thought of the many ways you could cheat in these competitions? I'm sure they can't have cellphones on them, but what about something hidden in their clothes? Or even scarier, some hidden inside their body somewhere :X.

Yea, it sounds creepy, but a great deal of intel could be sent to a player with just a device that can vibrate (so only the player can hear/feel it).

1 Vibrate early game means cheese is coming. When the opponent gets his tech after you lose your scout, 2 buzzes for Reaver Sair, 1 buzz for storm tech, etc. Do they check for these things?


I think the refs are supose to pat each player down before entering the booth to prevent stuff like that from happening


They do ive seen it on camera
OMG you nasty gurl
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-06 18:45:55
June 06 2009 18:45 GMT
#120
I can see it already, July 2009: KeSPA introduces full body cavity searches before every game.
No I'm never serious.
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