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On July 12 2010 12:18 heyoka wrote:
I was just wondering yesterday how often players win after losing the first game. Very cool.
Can you separate it for bo3 and bo5? I'm interested specifically in what the stats look like for a 5 game series.
For me to do that I would have to go through all their games again. Which took maybe 4 hours. So I do not have time to do that atm, sorry.
On July 12 2010 13:48 Lebesgue wrote:
Really cool. Would be nice if was updated so it includes recent months as well. Also as heyoka suggested, splitting it into bo3 and bo5 would be interesting.
It is updated for the recent months as well. With the latest games taken into account are from this friday.
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I have the same problem with Jaedong. When I play vs lesser players I might play a bit loose in the first game, but when I see I'm in trouble I'll start playing for real.
JD wasn't able to pull off his comeback vs Flash last time tho, becouse he is not a lesser player.
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JD has pulled comebacks over good players too. Look at his comeback over Fantasy in the OSL.
You can't pull off comebacks all the time, and I don't think it has anything to do with the the class of player. I wouldn't attribute his comeback stats to him playing relaxed in the first game at all. Keep in mind Flash had just lost the OSL to Effort against Flash, which exposed alot of his TvZ weaknesses. Also add to that that Effort and Flash are good friends, JD couldn't use Effort's style.
That being said, Flash played like a frickin mad man that series. Also, it was a clash between the Dominator and the Comeback King 
Dominator won that series, but I doubt it'll be the last. Personally enjoy watching comebacks rather than pure domination :p
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effort vs flash doesn't have anything to do with what I was talking about :O
.... I was going to write a lot of stuff here but then I read your signature/quote and understood that you have your biased opinions that cannot be changed.
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Not to be pedantic, but I think having comebacks as a percentage of total wins doesn't quite tell the story that nicely.
If I won all 100 of my matches, and 10 of them were comebacks, you'd show a 10% comeback ratio. But really I won all of my comeback games, I just didn't need to do it that often.
If you want to make the statement:
Flash , however, makes very low amount of comebacks when he loses the first game
You really need to have a stat that measures how often he comes back against the total times he goes behind, not the total wins.
Does that make sense?
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On July 13 2010 02:06 Clerseri wrote:Not to be pedantic, but I think having comebacks as a percentage of total wins doesn't quite tell the story that nicely. If I won all 100 of my matches, and 10 of them were comebacks, you'd show a 10% comeback ratio. But really I won all of my comeback games, I just didn't need to do it that often. If you want to make the statement: Show nested quote +Flash , however, makes very low amount of comebacks when he loses the first game You really need to have a stat that measures how often he comes back against the total times he goes behind, not the total wins. Does that make sense?
Very good point actually.
[Actual comeback victories] / [Comeback opportunities]
is more relevant than
[Actual comeback victories] / [Total victories]
if you want to know how good someone is at coming back. Flash's low percentage is more representative of the fact that when he's going to win a series, he just dominates it from start to finish, than of the "fact" that he's worse at comebacks than Bisu and Jaedong. (He may be, but these numbers don't show it.)
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On July 13 2010 02:06 Clerseri wrote:Not to be pedantic, but I think having comebacks as a percentage of total wins doesn't quite tell the story that nicely. If I won all 100 of my matches, and 10 of them were comebacks, you'd show a 10% comeback ratio. But really I won all of my comeback games, I just didn't need to do it that often. If you want to make the statement: Show nested quote +Flash , however, makes very low amount of comebacks when he loses the first game You really need to have a stat that measures how often he comes back against the total times he goes behind, not the total wins. Does that make sense?
QFT
The stats as posted are misleading.
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