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ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
August 16 2009 19:46 GMT
#81
Its just JD style BoX.. I waws surprised at how low Flash's comeback ratio was.. and Bisu's is still pretty decent, but JD is the master of comebacks undisputed.
♣ Jaedong. Stork. Bisu. Calm. NaDa. SC2: Sen, MKP, DRG, MMA, Grubby, NonY, Ret, Jinro, TLO, Sheth, HayprO, Zenio,Taeja,Snute, Sea, Rain, MC,Squirtle,Stephano,Parting ,Life, and HEROOOOO <3
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 16 2009 19:52 GMT
#82
On August 16 2009 23:27 meegrean wrote:
Jaedong's God Mode tends to only activate right after losing a first game. Think of it as some kind of adrenaline rush


It's because he remembers to upgrade adrenal glands.

I gotta say, it's really satisfying to be a Jaedong fan when you read his answers in interviews:
-It seems that many players have finally grasped an understanding of your play.
▲I can almost feel their team's analysis of my play in my opponents' strategies. However, this is just another motivation for me to elevate my play to the next level. As they work hard to beat me, I must work even harder to become an even better player. Although I feel pressured sometimes, this pressure is what is pushing me to become the best. Working hard to become a perpetually strong player is very important to me.


This to me says that he's never complacent. He's aware that others are getting better and others are studying his play and countering it thusly. And he believes that this is just motivation to play even better starcraft! Unbelievable! A lot of great players just become too used to their dominance and too confident in their abilities to ever adjust their play. I think it might have been George St.Pierre that said you only become a true champion once you've defended your title. And I think JD understands this more than any other player!
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
August 16 2009 20:04 GMT
#83
On August 17 2009 03:20 Nick_54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2009 23:28 Nevuk wrote:
I'm actually more impressed by Bisu's comeback ratio than by JD's.


Same here, cuz I've never heard of it. I'm surprised Jaedong's stats are still so high after the losses to Effort and Calm this season.


Well, he lost to effort and calm late in the turnaments, so he won a lot of matches before that. The explenation is simple as that.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
July 10 2010 08:10 GMT
#84
Bumping this as I have just updated it with the last 6 months of games.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
SoJu.WeRRa
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
July 10 2010 08:14 GMT
#85
Kim Taek Yong Normal win of won matches: 43/55 78.2%
nice!
나를 찢어갈겨이씨발놈아왜나를미치게만들어니가뭘아는데?
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
July 10 2010 08:41 GMT
#86
I dont understand when you say "Comeback wins to won matches ratio", what do you count as a match were a player has comeback?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
AleC
Profile Joined December 2009
332 Posts
July 10 2010 08:49 GMT
#87
On July 10 2010 17:41 Scaramanga wrote:
I dont understand when you say "Comeback wins to won matches ratio", what do you count as a match were a player has comeback?

On May 15 2009 03:30 Ota Solgryn wrote:

I’ve went through all their official games and have made some statistics about it. Below comebacks are where a player loses his first game and then goes on to win the match.
Normal win is where the player wins the first game, and goes on to win the match.


butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
July 10 2010 08:51 GMT
#88
On July 10 2010 17:41 Scaramanga wrote:
I dont understand when you say "Comeback wins to won matches ratio", what do you count as a match were a player has comeback?


Probably losing the first set in a Bo3 and the first two in a bo5
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
July 10 2010 09:04 GMT
#89
Thanks guys i just didnt read the opening paragraphs, so interested by stats
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
July 10 2010 09:12 GMT
#90
Actually I count it as JUST the first game. So I BO5 a comeback is here regarded as LWWW or LLWWW. I did this because JD has ALOT of those LWWW and these statistics were originally based on JD "ability" to do that.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Polar_Bear
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany55 Posts
July 10 2010 10:46 GMT
#91
So WLLWW isn't a comeback!?
I mean it's a rare case, but happened e.g. in Boxer vs. Garimto back in the days.
Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
July 11 2010 04:48 GMT
#92
haha I was kind of hoping this thread was about their Build Order stats, as in what BOs they tend to use the most and how often they win using different opening BOs =p
True learning is not the memorization of knowledge; it is the internalization of patterns.
NobleHelium
Profile Joined May 2010
United States82 Posts
July 12 2010 02:27 GMT
#93
I think an interesting stat you should add here is how often each player loses a match after winning the first game.
DaisyP
Profile Joined August 2009
United States47 Posts
July 12 2010 02:45 GMT
#94
It might be interesting to see the probability that these players comeback, given the opportunity to do so (i. e. after getting put in a comeback situation, how often do these players rise to the occasion?)
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
July 12 2010 03:05 GMT
#95
On July 12 2010 11:45 DaisyP wrote:
It might be interesting to see the probability that these players comeback, given the opportunity to do so (i. e. after getting put in a comeback situation, how often do these players rise to the occasion?)


He did that...?
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
NobleHelium
Profile Joined May 2010
United States82 Posts
July 12 2010 03:10 GMT
#96
No, he didn't. The stats simply show the percentage of wins that are comebacks and not comebacks. They don't show the percentage of successful comebacks out of comeback attempts/opportunities.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 03:19:27
July 12 2010 03:18 GMT
#97
I was just wondering yesterday how often players win after losing the first game. Very cool.

Can you separate it for bo3 and bo5? I'm interested specifically in what the stats look like for a 5 game series.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
July 12 2010 03:37 GMT
#98
These are some really interesting strats. Perhaps it shows that JD wins the games he has to win (more so then the others). Regardless, I am sure this took alot of work. Thanks!
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 12 2010 04:48 GMT
#99
Really cool. Would be nice if was updated so it includes recent months as well. Also as heyoka suggested, splitting it into bo3 and bo5 would be interesting.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-12 05:16:08
July 12 2010 05:15 GMT
#100
Interesting. Flash has been so dominant that few dominated him first these past few months.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
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