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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32281 Posts
March 28 2009 08:48 GMT
#61
Nice guide, thanks!
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Bajadulce
Profile Joined October 2004
United States322 Posts
March 28 2009 09:13 GMT
#62
Thanks! It might be good if you post what changes you made so people don't have to read through the file or go to the effort of doing it themselves.
Well this was done nearly 6 years ago and all of these keys are now second nature. I honestly don't know what the standard keys are anymore. However when I built these keys, they are all based around the lefthand homekeys and I spent a good deal of time making sure there were no conflicts and that they were representative of the unit. The strings have all been updated as well so that the hotkey is displayed in yellow when the cursor hovers over the button. I think I found one conflict once when I played a UMS game with the hero Kerrigan. I forgot that the infested Kerrigan can both cloak and consume. Maybe I fixed that tho dunno.

Offhand here are some things I know are different.+ Show Spoiler +
Marine
Seige Mode

probes
pylons

hydra
lurker

things like that. I do know that I have 3 weird buttons too.
Bunker (x)
Patrol (q)
and Hold (w) .. ya those are weird.


Alright thnx for the topic. I'm sure some purists will hate the idea of new hotkeys, while others will really enjoy their speed boost and start building their own.

Btw, for the absolute BEST listfiles, Zezula is the KING. There simply hasn't been anybody more dedicated to mpq name breaking.
http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/namebreak.html#ListFileTable
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TaP.Nuada
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States428 Posts
March 28 2009 11:56 GMT
#63
Horray for rapid share. File download limit reached. Any mirrors?
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
March 28 2009 12:12 GMT
#64
here is the creators homepage
http://shadowflare.samods.org/dwnload.html you can download winmpq the vb4 runtimes and tblpad from there
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PianoMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Pakistan54 Posts
March 28 2009 12:13 GMT
#65
I'll change the original post to reflect that the rapidshare links are dead.

P i a n o M a n
Az the Donkey
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
March 28 2009 12:14 GMT
#66
I really don't see how this could be banned.

It's very possible to just change your keyboard layout to have the exact same effect. And I'm pretty sure you could customize your keyboard to be however you wanted.
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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
March 28 2009 12:18 GMT
#67
On March 28 2009 21:14 Vivi57 wrote:
I really don't see how this could be banned.

It's very possible to just change your keyboard layout to have the exact same effect. And I'm pretty sure you could customize your keyboard to be however you wanted.

No you can't, this is an illegal mod that shouldn't be used.
l o k i M
You can't fight the feeling.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
March 28 2009 12:25 GMT
#68
There is a way to use keycraft and mod the keys.

you have to manually add the stat file (i can't remember exactly what it's called anymore) using winmpq. Keycraft will work after that.
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
March 28 2009 12:33 GMT
#69
can people who call this cheating stfu please?
your opinion alone doesn't make it cheating okay?
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
March 28 2009 12:34 GMT
#70
On March 28 2009 21:18 lokiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 21:14 Vivi57 wrote:
I really don't see how this could be banned.

It's very possible to just change your keyboard layout to have the exact same effect. And I'm pretty sure you could customize your keyboard to be however you wanted.

No you can't, this is an illegal mod that shouldn't be used.
l o k i M


Yes you can. I can write or download a remapper program for my keyboard. Or i can get one of those keyboards that come with the program.

Different language keyboards also have different keys positioned.

Stop arguing on some retarded 'purity' principle.
Rillanon.au
anTi_
Profile Joined October 2008
United States499 Posts
March 28 2009 12:37 GMT
#71
Jim raynor would be pissed

a n T i _
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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 28 2009 12:46 GMT
#72
I just tested keycraft and it still works for me. The only reason I could assume it doesn't work for others is vista maybe since it's so old now
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
March 28 2009 13:28 GMT
#73
On March 27 2009 23:58 Kwark wrote:
Blizzard didn't deliberately try and rig all the different language versions so the hotkeys were equally intuitive on them all. It's not naturally balanced, some versions may be better than others. By allowing players to remap at will it'd remove that unfairness. That said, I'd only use it if it was built into the icc launcher so everyone had the option.

I agree with this.


A word on skill:
In my opinion, hotkey setup is not an important part of SC skill.

If I made an analogy with running, having a bad hotkey setup would equal having a small stone inside your running shoes.

German shoes have a more unconfortable stone, english ones have a bit more pleasant one.
And right now, the rules say you must have some sort of a stone in your shoes. Because, it's quite obvious that removing the shoe would give you an advantage over the others.

Does that mean we shouldn't allow everyone to use the shoes they want?
You guessed it, it has to come from KeSPA.

Two friends can agree to race without the stones in their shoes.
A school tourney can be agreed not to require stones in the participants shoes.
But once you get to race a proffessional, who makes a living by running with an obligatory stone in his shoe, he will not be happy to hear that you don't have one in your shoe.
So he will object. And you will have to use the stone against him.
Now you will no longer want to race your friend without stones in your shoes, because, how on earth are you supposed to beat the proffessional one day, if you're training running a different way the entire time.

The house of cards collapses.


If KeSPA would allow this, in a month, everyone would use this.
Until that happens, enjoy pointlessly debating.
TaP.Nuada
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-28 13:37:20
March 28 2009 13:32 GMT
#74
On March 28 2009 21:34 haduken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 21:18 lokiM wrote:
On March 28 2009 21:14 Vivi57 wrote:
I really don't see how this could be banned.

It's very possible to just change your keyboard layout to have the exact same effect. And I'm pretty sure you could customize your keyboard to be however you wanted.

No you can't, this is an illegal mod that shouldn't be used.
l o k i M


Yes you can. I can write or download a remapper program for my keyboard. Or i can get one of those keyboards that come with the program.

Different language keyboards also have different keys positioned.

Stop arguing on some retarded 'purity' principle.

Or you could just buy this: Optimus Maximus

On March 28 2009 21:46 floor exercise wrote:
I just tested keycraft and it still works for me. The only reason I could assume it doesn't work for others is vista maybe since it's so old now

Really? I tried it on XP, just switched building a pylon to 's' to test it out, and it actually broke my pylon hotkey, I had to manually click it. So I wanted to use the method in the OP to fix it =\


I really see nothing wrong with using things like this. I just think it needs to be more widespread before I actually use it myself.


On March 28 2009 22:28 niteReloaded wrote:

If KeSPA would allow this, in a month, everyone would use this.
Until that happens, enjoy pointlessly debating.

This is most likely true.
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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3396 Posts
March 28 2009 13:45 GMT
#75
On March 28 2009 21:33 haduken wrote:
can people who call this cheating stfu please?
your opinion alone doesn't make it cheating okay?

Its banned in every major tournament and you don't think its cheating? It gives an unfair advantage to whoever is using it. I can understand if everyone made it like the default english keyboard (which koreans use). They use the english hotkeys but to change things like saying 'o' is too far for build observer and changing it to 'b' is cheating.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
March 28 2009 14:00 GMT
#76
On March 28 2009 22:45 Yaqoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 21:33 haduken wrote:
can people who call this cheating stfu please?
your opinion alone doesn't make it cheating okay?

Its banned in every major tournament and you don't think its cheating? It gives an unfair advantage to whoever is using it. I can understand if everyone made it like the default english keyboard (which koreans use). They use the english hotkeys but to change things like saying 'o' is too far for build observer and changing it to 'b' is cheating.


Not everyone uses the same keyboard, so probably half the people you play cheat.

The fact that this thread is still open kind of says something about the general opinion about this 'cheat' on this website, eh??
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Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
March 28 2009 14:03 GMT
#77
On March 28 2009 23:00 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 22:45 Yaqoob wrote:
On March 28 2009 21:33 haduken wrote:
can people who call this cheating stfu please?
your opinion alone doesn't make it cheating okay?

Its banned in every major tournament and you don't think its cheating? It gives an unfair advantage to whoever is using it. I can understand if everyone made it like the default english keyboard (which koreans use). They use the english hotkeys but to change things like saying 'o' is too far for build observer and changing it to 'b' is cheating.


Not everyone uses the same keyboard, so probably half the people you play cheat.

The fact that this thread is still open kind of says something about the general opinion about this 'cheat' on this website, eh??


Yeah. It says that people will go through all sorts of lengths to rationalize their need to cheat. First post sums it all up. L2P.
Wotans_Fire
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom294 Posts
March 28 2009 14:06 GMT
#78
Hhaha I didn't know this was possible good guide, but its unfair although the c for scourge is tempting...

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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-28 14:10:43
March 28 2009 14:09 GMT
#79
On March 28 2009 22:32 TaP.Nuada wrote:
Really? I tried it on XP, just switched building a pylon to 's' to test it out, and it actually broke my pylon hotkey, I had to manually click it. So I wanted to use the method in the OP to fix it =\


back up your patch_rt and try this:

check keycraft.cfg to make sure rtpath goes right to your patch_rt (mine is rtpath=D:\Program Files\Starcraft\patch_rt.mpq)

And then ctrl f for "probe" and find Build Probe=pP the first letter is the hotkey, the second is the actual highlighted "P" in Probe that denotes P is the hotkey, you can change it to S as well and in bw it will say "Build Srobe" unfortunately. its your call.

after that save it and run Core.exe, it should say it wrote to patch_rt. Go in game and see if the change has been made

also make sure your patch_rt.mpq isnt read only or something
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
March 28 2009 14:32 GMT
#80
I hope this guide on cheating gets erased.

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