Lol you are comparing someone who has remapped to someone who could? And then conclude it's not unfair?

You need to compare someone who has remapped to someone who hasn't. Saying they could both do the same thing, which we are trying to find out is cheating and unfair or not, and thus it's not unfair because there is no advantage is so odd. Obviously if both do the same thing theres no difference. What's then is the point in the argument? What are you even comparing? Nothing.

If both do the same thing then there is never an advantage. So you can never cheat.

StylishVODs

Sweden5331 Posts

March 29 2009 13:25 GMT

#102

Keyboards and equipment are already different in general.
Using only english keyboards in tournys is unfair for those who practice on other keyboards in other countries.
Other e-sports has this feature and the only reason bw hasn't is probably because it wasn't though of by then.
If you think its cheat don't use it, but blindly saying its gay or whatever without taking these things into consideration is wierd.

If there is a mouse that is absolutely best for playing bw would it be cheating using it because some people might not know about it? or can afford it?

It's not like you have to do less actions. You just have other equipment.

Bajadulce

United States322 Posts

March 29 2009 19:06 GMT

#103

On March 29 2009 19:20 malongo wrote:

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OOPS.

Hey, "S" is even better! You Damn Spanish Cheaters! Play the game the way its supposed to be played! "P" for probes!

FaZ-

United States188 Posts

March 29 2009 19:36 GMT

#104

Lol @ people arguing this isn't cheating because "it gives me an advantage, it's just not a big one." Fucking sad.

Seeing as every single person who legitimately owns Brood War can download an English version from Battle.net, your argument of "but my version is different" is thrown completely out the window. You want to play with a modified keyboard, you might as well play with any other hack.

StylishVODs

Sweden5331 Posts

March 29 2009 23:23 GMT

#105

On March 30 2009 04:36 FaZ- wrote:
Lol @ people arguing this isn't cheating because "it gives me an advantage, it's just not a big one." Fucking sad.

Seeing as every single person who legitimately owns Brood War can download an English version from Battle.net, your argument of "but my version is different" is thrown completely out the window. You want to play with a modified keyboard, you might as well play with any other hack.

It gives you an advantage, yes. But not more than for example those who have better mouses or keyboards.
This should be put in the same category as equipment-advantage, it will help you improve your play but you still have to do everything anyone has to do to win a game.

Sure everyone can download the english version, but they dont. In the perfect bw-world everyone should use the same language, same equipment and same hotkeys.

For example; I see alot of players(for example boxer) take away some keys from their keyboard that they dont need for playing broodwar. This will make it easier for you not to misclick.

malathion

United States362 Posts

March 30 2009 00:38 GMT

#106

On March 29 2009 02:37 MyLostTemple wrote:
if i understand correctly all professional gamer tournaments require the english key setup.

Then if you are planning to play in a professional gamer tournament, you had better practice for that, because of that stupid rule.

If you don't, like 99% of people posting here, then why should it matter?

selboN

United States2523 Posts

March 30 2009 00:47 GMT

#107

...nvm

Great Guide, but I'll just use the preset ones.

selboN

United States2523 Posts

March 30 2009 00:50 GMT

#108

On March 30 2009 09:38 malathion wrote:

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Don't flame tasteless, he's a baller.

Also, stop trying to be grammatically correct, you're just placing random commas in your sentences.

MuR)Ernu

Finland768 Posts

March 30 2009 01:51 GMT

#109

by the way, even if you do have one of those "AZERTY" or wahtever keyboards, you can tinker around the windows language settings, and set it to be like a qwerty board.
Yes, it might take some time getting used to, but its not that important in starcraft.
Since if you need to look at your keyboard when you play starcraft... Well, you shoild just learn to not do that

And you can download the english starcraft version for free.

malathion

United States362 Posts

March 30 2009 02:21 GMT

#110

On March 30 2009 10:51 MuR)Ernu wrote:
by the way, even if you do have one of those "AZERTY" or wahtever keyboards, you can tinker around the windows language settings, and set it to be like a qwerty board.

But that would be cheating. If you get an AZERTY keyboard you should learn to use it like its meant to be used!

WhuazGoodJaggah

Lesotho777 Posts

March 30 2009 07:36 GMT

#111

On March 30 2009 10:51 MuR)Ernu wrote:
And you can download the english starcraft version for free.

since when can you do this? First time I changed HotKeys (e to a) was about 7 years ago.

TaP.Nuada

United States428 Posts

March 30 2009 12:07 GMT

#112

Go to File → Open and browse to patch_rt.mpq

Scroll down until you find rez\stat_txt.tbl. This file contains hotkeys and tooltips for all things in Starcraft. It is what you will be modifying. You might notice that there are a whole bunch of them. They are different languages. English is (at least for me, and probably for you) the first one. Right click it, and extract to somewhere where you will be able to find it.

For me the patch_rt.mpq file, when opened in WinMPQ showed only "Uknown" for all the file names.

When I looked at the file BrooDat.mpq in WinMPQ I found the rez\stat_txt.tbl files you were talking about. Are these the correct files to modify?

EDIT: I'm dumb, just saw it in the FAQ sorry

jamster1211

Taiwan153 Posts

March 30 2009 12:21 GMT

#113

to solve the whole, whether or not this is cheating thing, we should just make it so that players can only use their mouse to play. that would solve everything
imo, i don't think its cheatin simply because some ppl have different keyboards and games

TaP.Nuada

United States428 Posts

March 30 2009 13:14 GMT

#114

Cool, got it working, thanks for the guide!

I think this should be more widespread and actively used, really.

I think I might start noting in the rules for all the tours I host in the future that modified hotkeys are allowed ^_^

rredtooth

5464 Posts

March 30 2009 13:16 GMT

#115

It can't make new control groups right (so instead of 1a2a3a it would be SaDaFa or something). That would make it cheating for sure. Until then, I'm fine with people changing up unit build hotkeys and such.

VoriuM

Belgium83 Posts

March 30 2009 13:17 GMT

#116

On March 30 2009 11:21 malathion wrote:

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But that would be cheating. If you get an AZERTY keyboard you should learn to use it like its meant to be used!

You have no idea what kind of a pain that would be, 1 = & and 2 = é etc so you can't just use control groups. It's really annoying and almost impossible to play decently.

Spanxxx

United States408 Posts

March 30 2009 13:27 GMT

#117

wouldn't be allowed in tourneys

S p a n x x x

Shadowfury333

Canada314 Posts

March 30 2009 15:28 GMT

#118

On March 30 2009 22:17 VoriuM wrote:You have no idea what kind of a pain that would be, 1 = & and 2 = é etc so you can't just use control groups. It's really annoying and almost impossible to play decently.

Don't forget the StormPlugin in ChaosLauncher takes care of that now.

Terranist

United States2496 Posts

March 30 2009 16:06 GMT

#119

i dont find anything to be wrong with the default english hotkeys but like people said before all the other language versions have different hotkeys and its not considered hacking.