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Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 12:56:16
March 29 2009 12:55 GMT
#101
Lol you are comparing someone who has remapped to someone who could? And then conclude it's not unfair?

You need to compare someone who has remapped to someone who hasn't. Saying they could both do the same thing, which we are trying to find out is cheating and unfair or not, and thus it's not unfair because there is no advantage is so odd. Obviously if both do the same thing theres no difference. What's then is the point in the argument? What are you even comparing? Nothing.

If both do the same thing then there is never an advantage. So you can never cheat.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 29 2009 13:25 GMT
#102
Keyboards and equipment are already different in general.
Using only english keyboards in tournys is unfair for those who practice on other keyboards in other countries.
Other e-sports has this feature and the only reason bw hasn't is probably because it wasn't though of by then.
If you think its cheat don't use it, but blindly saying its gay or whatever without taking these things into consideration is wierd.

If there is a mouse that is absolutely best for playing bw would it be cheating using it because some people might not know about it? or can afford it?

It's not like you have to do less actions. You just have other equipment.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Bajadulce
Profile Joined October 2004
United States322 Posts
March 29 2009 19:06 GMT
#103
On March 29 2009 19:20 malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2009 02:06 Bajadulce wrote:
....
English = p = p<1>Build <3>P<1>robe<0>
German = a = a<1><3>A<1>dler bauen<0>
Spanish = b = b<1>Construir <3>b<1>uitre<0> => fail Buitre= Vulture, Sonda=Probe
French = v = v<1>Construire <3>V<1>autour<0>
....


OOPS. Hey, "S" is even better! You Damn Spanish Cheaters! Play the game the way its supposed to be played! "P" for probes!
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FaZ-
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States187 Posts
March 29 2009 19:36 GMT
#104
Lol @ people arguing this isn't cheating because "it gives me an advantage, it's just not a big one." Fucking sad.

Seeing as every single person who legitimately owns Brood War can download an English version from Battle.net, your argument of "but my version is different" is thrown completely out the window. You want to play with a modified keyboard, you might as well play with any other hack.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 23:23:53
March 29 2009 23:23 GMT
#105
On March 30 2009 04:36 FaZ- wrote:
Lol @ people arguing this isn't cheating because "it gives me an advantage, it's just not a big one." Fucking sad.

Seeing as every single person who legitimately owns Brood War can download an English version from Battle.net, your argument of "but my version is different" is thrown completely out the window. You want to play with a modified keyboard, you might as well play with any other hack.


It gives you an advantage, yes. But not more than for example those who have better mouses or keyboards.
This should be put in the same category as equipment-advantage, it will help you improve your play but you still have to do everything anyone has to do to win a game.

Sure everyone can download the english version, but they dont. In the perfect bw-world everyone should use the same language, same equipment and same hotkeys.

For example; I see alot of players(for example boxer) take away some keys from their keyboard that they dont need for playing broodwar. This will make it easier for you not to misclick.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States362 Posts
March 30 2009 00:38 GMT
#106
On March 29 2009 02:37 MyLostTemple wrote:
if i understand correctly all professional gamer tournaments require the english key setup.

Then if you are planning to play in a professional gamer tournament, you had better practice for that, because of that stupid rule.

If you don't, like 99% of people posting here, then why should it matter?
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-30 00:48:14
March 30 2009 00:47 GMT
#107
...nvm

Great Guide, but I'll just use the preset ones.
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
March 30 2009 00:50 GMT
#108
On March 30 2009 09:38 malathion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2009 02:37 MyLostTemple wrote:
if i understand correctly all professional gamer tournaments require the english key setup.

Then if you are planning to play in a professional gamer tournament, you had better practice for that, because of that stupid rule.

If you don't, like 99% of people posting here, then why should it matter?

Don't flame tasteless, he's a baller.

Also, stop trying to be grammatically correct, you're just placing random commas in your sentences.
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
March 30 2009 01:51 GMT
#109
by the way, even if you do have one of those "AZERTY" or wahtever keyboards, you can tinker around the windows language settings, and set it to be like a qwerty board.
Yes, it might take some time getting used to, but its not that important in starcraft.
Since if you need to look at your keyboard when you play starcraft... Well, you shoild just learn to not do that

And you can download the english starcraft version for free.
malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States362 Posts
March 30 2009 02:21 GMT
#110
On March 30 2009 10:51 MuR)Ernu wrote:
by the way, even if you do have one of those "AZERTY" or wahtever keyboards, you can tinker around the windows language settings, and set it to be like a qwerty board.

But that would be cheating. If you get an AZERTY keyboard you should learn to use it like its meant to be used!
WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
March 30 2009 07:36 GMT
#111
On March 30 2009 10:51 MuR)Ernu wrote:
And you can download the english starcraft version for free.


since when can you do this? First time I changed HotKeys (e to a) was about 7 years ago.
small dicks have great firepower
TaP.Nuada
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-30 12:17:37
March 30 2009 12:07 GMT
#112
Go to File → Open and browse to patch_rt.mpq

Scroll down until you find rez\stat_txt.tbl. This file contains hotkeys and tooltips for all things in Starcraft. It is what you will be modifying. You might notice that there are a whole bunch of them. They are different languages. English is (at least for me, and probably for you) the first one. Right click it, and extract to somewhere where you will be able to find it.


For me the patch_rt.mpq file, when opened in WinMPQ showed only "Uknown" for all the file names.

When I looked at the file BrooDat.mpq in WinMPQ I found the rez\stat_txt.tbl files you were talking about. Are these the correct files to modify?

EDIT: I'm dumb, just saw it in the FAQ sorry
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jamster1211
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan153 Posts
March 30 2009 12:21 GMT
#113
to solve the whole, whether or not this is cheating thing, we should just make it so that players can only use their mouse to play. that would solve everything
imo, i don't think its cheatin simply because some ppl have different keyboards and games
TaP.Nuada
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States428 Posts
March 30 2009 13:14 GMT
#114
Cool, got it working, thanks for the guide!

I think this should be more widespread and actively used, really.


I think I might start noting in the rules for all the tours I host in the future that modified hotkeys are allowed ^_^
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
March 30 2009 13:16 GMT
#115
It can't make new control groups right (so instead of 1a2a3a it would be SaDaFa or something). That would make it cheating for sure. Until then, I'm fine with people changing up unit build hotkeys and such.
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VoriuM
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium83 Posts
March 30 2009 13:17 GMT
#116
On March 30 2009 11:21 malathion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2009 10:51 MuR)Ernu wrote:
by the way, even if you do have one of those "AZERTY" or wahtever keyboards, you can tinker around the windows language settings, and set it to be like a qwerty board.

But that would be cheating. If you get an AZERTY keyboard you should learn to use it like its meant to be used!


You have no idea what kind of a pain that would be, 1 = & and 2 = é etc so you can't just use control groups. It's really annoying and almost impossible to play decently.
Spanxxx
Profile Joined February 2009
United States408 Posts
March 30 2009 13:27 GMT
#117
wouldn't be allowed in tourneys

S p a n x x x
If people arent trying to pull you down, you arent climbing high enough.
Shadowfury333
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada314 Posts
March 30 2009 15:28 GMT
#118
On March 30 2009 22:17 VoriuM wrote:You have no idea what kind of a pain that would be, 1 = & and 2 = é etc so you can't just use control groups. It's really annoying and almost impossible to play decently.


Don't forget the StormPlugin in ChaosLauncher takes care of that now.
Darkness called...but I was on the phone, so I missed him. I tried to *69 darkness, but his machine picked up. I yelled "Pick up the phone, Darkness", but he ignored me. Darkness must have been screening his calls.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
March 30 2009 16:06 GMT
#119
i dont find anything to be wrong with the default english hotkeys but like people said before all the other language versions have different hotkeys and its not considered hacking.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-30 16:33:37
March 30 2009 16:16 GMT
#120
Oh shit please make this to not work on iccup....
please!
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