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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
February 22 2009 06:29 GMT
#201
lol its just more points for jaedong to take
Writerman what
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
February 22 2009 06:48 GMT
#202
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??

Aside that it's a really high number elo...

Why not a flat 2000?

2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.


2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.

Once again, inflation explains all. :D


How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.
Guss
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Sweden712 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 06:52:01
February 22 2009 06:51 GMT
#203
more players. more points. more games making it so that if ur good u can peak higher.
Bisu[Shield] FIGHTING!
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
February 22 2009 06:53 GMT
#204
On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??

Aside that it's a really high number elo...

Why not a flat 2000?

2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.


2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.

Once again, inflation explains all. :D


How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.



ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
February 22 2009 06:58 GMT
#205
On February 22 2009 15:53 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??

Aside that it's a really high number elo...

Why not a flat 2000?

2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.


2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.

Once again, inflation explains all. :D


How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.



ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.


tl;dr: oov was a fucking beast
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
February 22 2009 06:58 GMT
#206
On February 22 2009 15:24 lxginverse wrote:
as much as i dont want bisu to surpass flash's elo

it looks like he will....

T_T

Why would you wish something bad against another player? Is Bisu really that bad? Or are you all just immature grudge holders? I just don't get what could make someone hate a player so much. I mean, I dislike certain players a lot but I don't say things or wish things against them.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
February 22 2009 07:09 GMT
#207
You don't dislike players enough to want them to lose? It's not like he wants Bisu to get hit by a car, man. I personally want Flash to keep the ELO peak too. It's nothing against Bisu specifically, I don't want anyone to pass him.
skating
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
February 22 2009 07:11 GMT
#208
Or he could be a flash fan who wants his favorite player to have #1 elo peak :shrug:
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
February 22 2009 07:17 GMT
#209
Oh shit! I missed the early games tonight, didn't know + Show Spoiler +
Bisu all-killed OGN. If he wins his next game, he will break the all-time elo peak!
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 07:22:12
February 22 2009 07:20 GMT
#210
On February 22 2009 15:53 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??

Aside that it's a really high number elo...

Why not a flat 2000?

2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.


2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.

Once again, inflation explains all. :D


How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.



ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.


That's not always true.

In chess there is actually the tendency to deflate some when people's ratings are higher than their actual skill b/c of both rating ceilings & the deterioration of ability due to old age.

USCF is inflating.. slowly.. because of countermeasures they took against deflation. Uh, well, here's the wiki on ELO that will help explain:

The most straightforward attempt to avoid rating inflation/deflation is to have each game end in an equal transaction of rating points. If the winner gains N rating points, the loser should drop by N rating points. The intent is to keep the average rating constant, by preventing points from entering or leaving the system.

Unfortunately, this simple approach typically results in rating deflation, as the USCF was quick to discover.

A common misconception is that rating points enter the system every time a previously unrated player gets an initial rating and that likewise rating points leave the system every time someone retires from play. Players generally believe that since most players are significantly better at the end of their careers than at the beginning, that as they tend to take more points away from the system than they brought in, the system deflates as a result. This is a fallacy and is easily shown. If a system is deflated, players will have strengths higher than their ratings. But if they take points out of the system EQUAL TO their strength when they leave the system, no inflation or deflation will result.

Rather, in the "basic form" of the Elo system, the cause of deflation is the fact that players improve. The cause of inflation is that their strength relative to their rating will tend to decline over time with age. Since most players improve early in their career, the system tends to deflate at that time. Inflation doesn't occur until much later in a player's career. Many players will quit before this natural process occurs, which would return points to the system. The net result over time is deflation.
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Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
February 22 2009 08:40 GMT
#211
I am so proud of my boy + Show Spoiler +
Bisu
.
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
Adamthegreat
Profile Joined February 2003
Sweden1179 Posts
February 22 2009 08:43 GMT
#212
On February 22 2009 16:17 Signet wrote:
Oh shit! I missed the early games tonight, didn't know + Show Spoiler +
Bisu all-killed OGN. If he wins his next game, he will break the all-time elo peak!


He plays Movie in WL on the 24th I think.
-_-v
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 09:28:15
February 22 2009 09:27 GMT
#213
On February 22 2009 17:43 Adamthegreat wrote:

He plays Movie in WL on the 24th I think.


Here's to Movie pulling a Guemchi and beating bisu with dts. Oh the irony. Can't have a scumbag like bisu holding the #1 elo peak!
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Aurioch
Profile Joined January 2009
United States414 Posts
February 22 2009 09:31 GMT
#214
On February 22 2009 18:27 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2009 17:43 Adamthegreat wrote:

He plays Movie in WL on the 24th I think.


Here's to Movie pulling a Guemchi and beating bisu with dts. Oh the irony. Can't have a scumbag like bisu holding the #1 elo peak!

You sound more like the scumbag you make Bisu out of...
My life for aiur
Mista
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore1022 Posts
February 22 2009 09:32 GMT
#215
On February 22 2009 18:27 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2009 17:43 Adamthegreat wrote:

He plays Movie in WL on the 24th I think.


Here's to Movie pulling a Guemchi and beating bisu with dts. Oh the irony. Can't have a scumbag like bisu holding the #1 elo peak!


You're the scumbag retard.
Time for some Revolution !
hubfub
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia352 Posts
February 22 2009 09:33 GMT
#216
GO BISU DO IT!!!
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
February 22 2009 11:24 GMT
#217
On February 22 2009 15:29 Atrioc wrote:
lol its just more points for jaedong to take

speaking of which, is this showmatch kespa ranked? i'd guess no...
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
February 22 2009 11:26 GMT
#218
I think Kepsa started to take game played in the GOM Starleague into account. It might take the showmatch into account too.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2330 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 11:33:36
February 22 2009 11:31 GMT
#219
On February 22 2009 15:53 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??

Aside that it's a really high number elo...

Why not a flat 2000?

2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.


2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.

Once again, inflation explains all. :D


How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.



ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.

No it doesn't - new players always add 2000 points, so the points available per player doesn't change (except for some small effect due the retirements, which can be either inflation or deflation depending if players, on average, retire with more or less than 2000 points).

More games in a short time (like with strong players in WL) probably does lead to somewhat higher peaks though, since you get more games in when you're in a good state and playing above your rating.
Furthermore, tournaments should use matchup-specific maps
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
February 22 2009 11:44 GMT
#220
On February 22 2009 15:53 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??

Aside that it's a really high number elo...

Why not a flat 2000?

2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.


2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.

Once again, inflation explains all. :D


How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.



ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.

Thats right, the ELO inflates. Take a look at the chess, it took about 50 years to feel the difference. This process needs decades to kick in. The inflation between NaDa's and Bisu's ELO is most likely around 2-3 points.
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