About attacking teammates units for points, I know a way using triggers to make it very difficult to attack your teammate's units, but I'm not sure if it would affect the rest of the map's triggers, since I haven't looked through the map very much. I didn't see any "hyper triggers" in the map (Where you use a couple constantly active triggers just doing "Wait 0 ms."). Using them causes the maps triggers to have a faster reaction time, although it can have adverse effects on the map, especially if the map is using Wait commands in other triggers.

The method involves having a trigger constantly forcing you to ally your allies. This makes it very difficult (not impossible, though) to attack your teammates units. Even if you use A + click over and over again, the units simply refuse to fire, and it takes a good deal of time just to get them to fire off one shot.

It's an easy fix, and wouldn't effect the gameplay except making killing your teammates units (which isn't supposed to happen) much more difficult. The only problem that might occur is it clashing with other triggers that use "Wait" in them.

Superiorwolf

United States5509 Posts

August 28 2008 04:35 GMT

#85

I already discussed hyper triggers with Bill307, and it is true that it adversely affects the game and can screw up a lot of things - the reason why they are not included. As well, sometimes units will freeze more often, etc. Btw, with the wait trigger stuff, it only affects wait triggers if the wait triggers were placed AFTER the hyper triggers were placed, so that's not an issue.

IntoTheWow

is awesome32278 Posts

August 28 2008 06:31 GMT

#86

Well we never see people killing ally's units in friendly games anyway...

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

August 28 2008 06:59 GMT

#87

Just curious Bill, but why the build time changes for the macro units/structures?

TheNikeYork

United States389 Posts

August 28 2008 13:57 GMT

#88

On August 28 2008 15:59 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Just curious Bill, but why the build time changes for the macro units/structures?

I remember reading somewhere it was for balance.

xmShake

United States1100 Posts

August 28 2008 14:06 GMT

#89

On August 28 2008 15:59 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Just curious Bill, but why the build time changes for the macro units/structures?

Terran was too awesome at the beginning and zerg just plain sucked. Bill had to tweak it so it was more balanced.
Terran still has an edge on this map, although its not that bad with longer command center and factory build times. Zerg has 40 mineral drones and quicker building hatcheries. Its pretty balanced where it is now.

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

August 28 2008 15:48 GMT

#90

Sweet, Bill. GJ!!

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

August 29 2008 18:37 GMT

#91

On August 28 2008 13:30 CFDragon wrote:
The method involves having a trigger constantly forcing you to ally your allies. This makes it very difficult (not impossible, though) to attack your teammates units. Even if you use A + click over and over again, the units simply refuse to fire, and it takes a good deal of time just to get them to fire off one shot.

You know, I actually disabled that trigger in the latest version of TMM. I was tired of trying to kill my own units (which is fair) only to have my dragoons stop in mid-animation because of that trigger.

As for hyper triggers, I cannot use them because all of the timing in the game relies on the constant rate of trigger-handling (once per time unit). E.g. respawning takes something like 7 units, iirc. I never use the "Wait" action because it causes replays to stop working when you change their speed. (One of the reasons why TMM replays actually play correctly.

) Instead, I'll have counters (i.e. # of unit deaths for obscure units that I'd never use in the map) that get decremented every game unit.

... Now that I think about it, the Power Generator was one such unit whose # of deaths was used as a variable. I'd better go and make sure it doesn't affect the game logic... >_<

Edit: Oh good, it's only "bSwitchLeaderboard", which I think is the flag used to tell the game when to switch between the Points leaderboard and the Levels leaderboard. So each time one of those Power Generators dies, the leaderboard will probably switch immediately.