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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8115 Posts
April 06 2026 13:28 GMT
#161
On April 06 2026 21:35 VioleTAK wrote:
I really don't like Bisu Flash and JD at the same group. Seeing the three of them together this ASL was a dream come true, but not in the Ro16... It'll be very cool, but far too soon.

Was it you uploading videos on youtube in the late 2000’s?

The nostalgia.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8676 Posts
April 06 2026 13:29 GMT
#162
On April 04 2026 07:18 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2026 05:29 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 04 2026 01:38 Zografa wrote:
i just dont see how anyone but Flash is going to win this season, tell me if im wrong


I can see SnOw take the season. He's back at rank #1 on eloboard and seems to be smashing.


In before, Snow's Ro16 group will be Hero, JD, Rain.


I posted this before (tongue in cheek) but 2/3 turned out to be correct... Not a great group for Snow.

Group C is absurd, don't like it at all. I don't see Flash dropping out here, which means either Bisu oder JD will not make it to the Ro8. : / Both have the ability to beat Flash but the chances are slim after seeing Flash's play and considering the current map pool.
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3836 Posts
April 06 2026 13:51 GMT
#163
Another consequence of Bisu/Flash/JD in the same group is that we won’t get a bo5/7 between any of them unless the two who advance both reach the final….
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8115 Posts
April 06 2026 13:53 GMT
#164
At the same time we could have had Bisu and Jaedong not making it out of their groups at all.

I really hope JD does well.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
April 06 2026 13:55 GMT
#165
this isn't the first time Flash Jaedong and Bisu shared a group, they were in the Ro32 of ABCMart MSL back in 2011, only difference is that its Ample now instead of Sea in the 4th position.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
April 06 2026 15:08 GMT
#166
On April 06 2026 20:44 prosatan wrote:
Group A (13 april)

soma
tulbo
Sharp
sSak

Group B (14 april)

Snow
Piano
Hero
Rain

Group C (20 april)

Bisu
Ample
Jaedong
Flash

Group D (21 april)

Rax
Leta
Royal
Light


Predictizione:
A: SoMa, sSak
B: SnOw, HerO
C: Bisu, Ample! (Bisu, Flash)
D: Light, RoyaL
JDON MY SOUL!
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8115 Posts
April 06 2026 15:39 GMT
#167
On April 06 2026 22:55 BLinD-RawR wrote:
this isn't the first time Flash Jaedong and Bisu shared a group, they were in the Ro32 of ABCMart MSL back in 2011, only difference is that its Ample now instead of Sea in the 4th position.

In a way, maybe it’s not that bad for Bisu or Jaedong if they intend to play the long game. They have to beat each other and then won’t worry about Flash until the finals. Maybe a better deal than encountering him in the Ro8.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic949 Posts
April 06 2026 16:47 GMT
#168
On April 06 2026 20:44 RowdierBob wrote:
Strange choice from Soma at the end there. Logic was to put Light into group C and take out 2 of Flash/JD/Bisu/Light

He cannot swap first picks, only 2nd and 3rd.
never too old for starcraft :)
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10495 Posts
April 06 2026 16:52 GMT
#169
Group C is just ABC Mart MSL 2011 Ro24 Group E all over again, except with Ample instead of Sea. But the quality of the players is probably about the same as back then. Gonna be really exciting to see what's gonna happen.
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Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
291 Posts
April 06 2026 16:56 GMT
#170
its going to be really interesting to hear the discussions during the draw and maybe jinjin can make a compilation from pro players streams after
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8919 Posts
April 06 2026 17:45 GMT
#171
On April 06 2026 21:05 Simplistik wrote:
I think tulbo has a chance to get out.

The weather combo should make it as well.

Maybe Bisu is the Protoss with the worst odds here? He will have to beat JD to go through I guess. Can't see him beat Flash in Bo3. Tough one.


Haaaaaaaaaa!! weather combo !! Good one Simplistik !!
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byj
Profile Joined November 2015
525 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-06 18:02:21
April 06 2026 17:59 GMT
#172
Wtf is this Group C
Let's hope JD makes it out! Looks like his Bo1 will be worth the same as a Bo3 if he were to lose

Also looks like they put all big Os into group B hehe
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-06 18:03:34
April 06 2026 18:03 GMT
#173
Group C and Group D are for sure going to be the most exciting. Matchup of TvT killers in one, 3 gods in another. Group A will be fun to watch just to see if the people's hero tulbo makes it through. It's probably the best group for him. I will root for him.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
April 06 2026 18:09 GMT
#174
Of course this happens as soon as flash comes back lol
boomer hands
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-06 18:50:21
April 06 2026 18:48 GMT
#175
On April 06 2026 21:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Soma, sharp
Snow, Rain
Flash, Bisu
Royal, Light

B and C are tough. Can def see Hero or JD making it out too.


I think you're crazy to put 2 protoss over in a group against Hero. That guy's entire ASL career is built on the back of his ZvP. Even though Snow is the best Protoss, I don't think he beats Hero. I've seen Hero kill Bisu too many times over the years to ever doubt his ZvP.

Piano ruined his ro24 group by knocking out players I like more than him.

Flash is untouchable in TvT, though Ample showed some insane grit against Soulkey... makes me wonder. Bisu and Jaedong can both beat Flash on a good day. All three of them look like they're in great form - but the fact is that Flash is the heavy favorite in every tournament he enters. Between Jaedong and Bisu, I think Bisu does have an edge.
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mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey719 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-06 18:55:47
April 06 2026 18:53 GMT
#176
On April 07 2026 02:59 byj wrote:
Wtf is this Group C
Let's hope JD makes it out! Looks like his Bo1 will be worth the same as a Bo3 if he were to lose

Also looks like they put all big Os into group B hehe

Yes, other pros will be jealous for the attendance to group C. They should arrange the stadium ahead of GF schedule.
I think it might be a gentlemen's agreement to meet flash before the long series. Note, I haven't watched the group stages yet.
I think, maybe JD was good because ASL21 JD vs Leta was the same as Hero vs JyJ ASL15. You get used to SK terran after a while. Pros need all the build order advantage they can get and intimidation is the best tool in their arsenal. 12 CC or some other opening works best when terran has set the fear of bunker rush in zerg. It works the opposite way if zerg knows terran will 2port. All this to say Flash still has an unblemished record this season, but it only works to his advantage if he risks it all in a 12CC and it works. Otherwise, when it is fair play, it is anybody's game.
Turrican
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey719 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-06 19:31:24
April 06 2026 19:02 GMT
#177
On April 06 2026 20:44 RowdierBob wrote:
Strange choice from Soma at the end there. Logic was to put Light into group C and take out 2 of Flash/JD/Bisu/Light

Oh, you don't get how zerg think... Soulkey did the same last season and it worked. Light might be terror to some, even Jaedong, but to S rank he is a nobody. Even JyJ is better on a good day.
PS: nobody=slow/no mixup play. What makes Jaedong JvZ is he can win from behind, Flash FvT is the same. Light has yet to prove himself for once beating somebody and putting the fear of it all being catchup play. Good players don't deal their hand until after their opponents assume victory and begin to slip up. This ties to Bisu, for Bisu has tendencies to play like optimiser Mini these last seasons. Mini can fall apart like Royal sometimes as much as I like him. Optimisers don't fall out of grace all too well.
Turrican
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
291 Posts
April 06 2026 19:15 GMT
#178
i think he cant swap light for Ample, the first picks are protected, you cant swap them, you can only swap 2nd and 3rd picks
So a group of Bisu Light JD Flash was impossible, Soma could swap only JD or Flash
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3804 Posts
April 06 2026 21:12 GMT
#179
On April 06 2026 21:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Sucks to be Bisu and Ample



Bro. Have we been watching different games in this past pro league and ASL combined?

Bisu is at level of form that firmly places his relative performance to the field in a given season as a guaranteed top 4 placer.

Flash especially and JD slightly should be more worried than Bisu getting a top 4 placement.
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States292 Posts
April 06 2026 21:52 GMT
#180
Ample shoud be awarded a spot in ASL22. Group C, are you kidding me?
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