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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8100 Posts
April 24 2026 08:22 GMT
#301
I’m so curious for the Flash vs Snow matchup. I feel Snow is maybe one of the three players that can absolutely defeat Flash in a BoX together with Soma and Jaedong.

So looking forward a Flash vs Jaedong Ro4 though…
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4749 Posts
April 24 2026 09:34 GMT
#302
Funny feeling, I wish for once they would have rigged the bracket to give a potential Flash vs Jaedong final. But they did not, kudos to them.

Jaedong vs Light
I don't know much about current bw anymore, but back in the ol' days, Light had a good record against Jaedong (11-12) but fell short in all BoX series they played. This is forever ago, but back then the feeling was that Light simply does not have it in the highest pressure moments. Given that Jaedongs death stare is back, I think he will beat him.

Flash vs Snow
Snow probably has the best shot out of everyone to take down Flash, but I cannot see it happening. Flash is just so solid and if he deals with the inevitable Reaver harass well enough in 3 out of 5 games, he should outlast Snow.

I think Bo5 is very good for the Ro8 and I probably prefer that format in Brood War. Bo5s are just extremely exciting.
Statistically a Bo7 basically makes sure that the better player (read: the better player on that day) wins in nearly all case. Comebacks in Bo7s are extremely rare. When it happens, it is something everyone remembers for a very long time, but for me that is not worth the trade-off for the excitment Bo5s bring.
Bo9 does not add significantly to the better player advancing. I did the math a decade ago, maybe I am wrong. But watching a Bo9 is just a drag anyway and it loses its appeal very fast.

Regarding the Ro16 Group C. As a livelong Jaedong fan I obviously enjoyed what I saw. It also felt like very decent BroodWar was played compared to the golden era (~2007-2011). What gives me hope is that I haven't seen Jaedong this focussed since 2009. His demeanor during the matches was so old school and why I fell in love with his play before I knew he was one of the best players of his time. On the other side, I feel a Bo7 TvZ against Flash is basically impossible to win nowadays, Flashs play is just so dominant. I am 90% sure we will see the match, it feels like destiny that Snow and Light will lose in the Ro8.

That was a quick tour through my recent thoughts.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4326 Posts
April 25 2026 13:07 GMT
#303
On April 22 2026 02:04 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
My predictions.
[image loading]


If Soma somehow beat Hero then a Soma vs FlaSH final will be a dream. But knowing how weak he is at zvz vs a zerg specialist is gonna be hard.


I support this prediction. Looks about what i would say, i just have slightly more faith in Leta to beat tulbo
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
April 25 2026 13:49 GMT
#304
This ASL is awesome so far. Leta playing so well is such a huge surprise to me though. I didn't even know he was very active but I guess I dont pay much attention to Kleague. It's too bad that the brackets are so lopsided though (hard to see soma not making it through to finals).
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mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey715 Posts
April 25 2026 17:23 GMT
#305
On April 25 2026 22:49 Ideas wrote:
This ASL is awesome so far. Leta playing so well is such a huge surprise to me though. I didn't even know he was very active but I guess I dont pay much attention to Kleague. It's too bad that the brackets are so lopsided though (hard to see soma not making it through to finals).

Both Hero and Soma like to play down and dirty. Soma has good theory, but he isn't a good planner. Both can skip early game scouting although I give +1 to Hero at that. I think Hero has the stamina to challenge Soma. Even in ASL15, he performed better than Soulkey ever did, it was the most amazing sets between Hero and JyJ. I liken the field to way back ASL15. Hero is still the underdog, but he has the grit to continue. Let's hope he does, I really root for him. He is the most cryptic zerg this season. He doesn't push games, he just does a bisu timing attack every game and hope for a win.
Turrican
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4408 Posts
April 26 2026 02:41 GMT
#306
The very possible tragedy of JD reaching the finals is that it would likely be a ZvZ 😔
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines633 Posts
April 26 2026 05:20 GMT
#307
On April 26 2026 11:41 VioleTAK wrote:
The very possible tragedy of JD reaching the finals is that it would likely be a ZvZ 😔


On the flipside, Soma would pretty much love to fight his idol JD in the grand finals. I would love to see that happen.
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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines720 Posts
April 26 2026 06:23 GMT
#308
hero is looking a lot stronger than soma zvz judging by practice games/proleague performance, but who knows what form they will be in on the day of the actual match
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
April 27 2026 21:06 GMT
#309
I really need to not let yall sway my liquibets because I got today wrong after reading this thread lmao.
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BoesFX
Profile Joined April 2013
1465 Posts
April 28 2026 01:06 GMT
#310
On April 28 2026 06:06 Cricketer12 wrote:
I really need to not let yall sway my liquibets because I got today wrong after reading this thread lmao.


Hahaha, that's why I only followed my guts, so that I can only blame my stubbornness when I eventually mess up.
SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
227 Posts
April 28 2026 01:09 GMT
#311
I never believe on HERO anymore.
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-28 02:55:53
April 28 2026 02:55 GMT
#312
I don't really know where the herO ZvZ specialist thing came from. Has that ever actually been the case?
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1783 Posts
April 28 2026 04:08 GMT
#313
Hero's micro is terrible that series.
Leee Jaee Doong
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines720 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-28 05:47:55
April 28 2026 04:46 GMT
#314
On April 28 2026 11:55 Simplistik wrote:
I don't really know where the herO ZvZ specialist thing came from. Has that ever actually been the case?


i wouldn't say there has been a ZvZ specialist since JvZ, but historically hero usually did well in ZvZ, though clearly his best matchup is ZvP

his ASL wins:
ASL4 Hero 3-2 Soulkey
ASL4 Hero 3-2 Larva
ASL 11 Hero 3-2 Zero
ASL12 Hero 3-1 Zero
ASL15 Hero 3-0 Jaedong

Losses but put up impressive fight:
asl14 2-3 soulkey
asl17 3-4 soulkey

i thought hero would put up more of a fight, he looked like he was getting his form back with a 4-kill proleague MVP performance on april 11th, and another 4-1 MVP performance on the 15th. soma was also losing a lot of practice games in ZvZ when I watched his stream, but I guess he snapped back into form right on time

dunno what happened to hero, maybe nervousness, pressure, overtraining, overthinking. maybe bisu was right in the ASL group selection when he said "something's wrong with hero lately"
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6999 Posts
April 28 2026 07:21 GMT
#315
Dude Soma before this series was getting trashed in zvz. Not exagerating lol. On the contrary Hero was looking really solid.
I guess offline is something we really didnt count as a factor :D . But i wouldnt say hero is a bad offline player either. Afterall he was making semis in a very consistent manner.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8671 Posts
April 28 2026 21:19 GMT
#316
On April 28 2026 11:55 Simplistik wrote:
I don't really know where the herO ZvZ specialist thing came from. Has that ever actually been the case?


That has never been the case. He has always been a ZvP specialist.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
April 29 2026 09:10 GMT
#317
JD vs Light hypeee
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51615 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-30 06:18:15
April 30 2026 06:16 GMT
#318
leta's run this season might be the biggest "no one had this on their bingo card" moment in asl history?

also i stumbled upon this (again) which amused me

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A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden551 Posts
April 30 2026 10:37 GMT
#319
On April 30 2026 15:16 GTR wrote:
leta's run this season might be the biggest "no one had this on their bingo card" moment in asl history?

also i stumbled upon this (again) which amused me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93oTaBdX6lc&t=258s


What amuses me with that vid is how humble and reasonable Artosis was 16 years ago.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1264 Posts
April 30 2026 15:11 GMT
#320
On April 24 2026 17:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I’m so curious for the Flash vs Snow matchup. I feel Snow is maybe one of the three players that can absolutely defeat Flash in a BoX together with Soma and Jaedong.


Flash and SnOw duke it out in a box! hype hype!
JDON MY SOUL!
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