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a-game
Canada5161 Posts
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TMNT
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On April 22 2026 16:18 Sirris17 wrote: So you think tulbo is better at pvt than best...interesting haha Leta beating Best is a one-off, an upset, not the norm. Tulbo > Leta in general level in this matchup. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5110 Posts
On April 22 2026 16:32 a-game wrote: They really should have arranged the matchups to avoid mirrors Why? For your convenience? This is a tournament. If you can't win in a mirror, you're not the best. You reek of entitlement. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1213 Posts
Ro8 seems a toss up for each. SoMa vs HerO is Soma favored, but HerO can take it. Tulbo vs Leta is Tulbo favored, but Leta can take it. Jaedong vs Light is Light favored and i give JD the lowest odds to make it to Ro4. SnOw vs FlaSh is SnOw favored, but by a hair. In online SnOw has played the best vs FlaSh by a mile compared to everyone else. But maybe Flash's offline killer instincts actually give him an edge. Cant call this one. Flash has a negative online winrate vs only 2 players since his return. SnOw at 42%, and Light at 28%, but vs Light the Sample size is too small to be statistically relevant. This makes SnOw the one real threat to FlaSh. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5110 Posts
On April 22 2026 18:28 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Little bit of luck for Leta with how group D became all TvT. All TvT likely the only group he could have made it out of. TvZ and TvP are the MUs his weaknesses are much more evident. Kind of how PianO also made it through his Ro24 group. Also Light losing his first match in Ro16 was Leta's saving grace. I feel he likely would not have made it through if he had Light in that Bo3 winner match. Ro8 seems a toss up for each. SoMa vs HerO is Soma favored, but HerO can take it. Tulbo vs Leta is Tulbo favored, but Leta can take it. Jaedong vs Light is Light favored and i give JD the lowest odds to make it to Ro4. SnOw vs FlaSh is SnOw favored, but by a hair. In online SnOw has played the best vs FlaSh by a mile compared to everyone else. But maybe Flash's offline killer instincts actually give him an edge. Cant call this one. Flash has a negative online winrate vs only 2 players since his return. SnOw at 42%, and Light at 28%, but vs Light the Sample size is too small to be statistically relevant. This makes SnOw the one real threat to FlaSh. Ususally I'd agreewith your assessment of Jaedong vs Light, but Light's been in a bit of a funk and I think he'll flounder here. | ||
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polgas
Canada1774 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1213 Posts
On April 22 2026 18:42 Uldridge wrote: Ususally I'd agreewith your assessment of Jaedong vs Light, but Light's been in a bit of a funk and I think he'll flounder here. Light still hanging in top 5 on Eloboard. On the other hand Jaedong got blasted down to losing 1-4 to speed. But then again Speed is a top 3 TvZ player in online settings behind only FlaSh and Light. Speed is 9-3 vs Jaedong over their last 12 games. Speed also blasted Hero 7-2 recently. Jaedong 33:46 Speed total record. Jaedong 68:164 Light total record. Light is Jaedongs worst match statistically. Yes even worse than FlaSh. | ||
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a-game
Canada5161 Posts
On April 22 2026 18:07 Uldridge wrote: Why? For your convenience? This is a tournament. If you can't win in a mirror, you're not the best. You reek of entitlement. Because mirrors are boring and the trophy would be just as prestigious if the quarterfinal was Soma vs Light or Flash Like damn we had too much mirror already in the ro16/ro24 | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5457 Posts
It's up to Light if he is going to win or lose next match, not JD. Light has 2 weeks to muster his peak form, he shouldn't need it yet for JD, but it will be helpful if he is already on the way to it. It comes down to whether Light believes he has a fair shot against Flash/Snow if he's more practiced. For the story I hope Light will just wing it so JD is more likely to win and we either see Snow/Flash/JD in the final vs Soma (or Leta). Tbh confident Leta vs JD/Flash would be such a banger. Soma brings little entertainment value imo. Also the Potential ZvZ finals will be so lame after what Ro4 with the Dong will give us. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2932 Posts
ASL has been the pinnacle of modern day BW.. and the Ro8 is where the tournament really gets serious. It only happens twice a year, it's the most prestigious tournament to win and the format should really reflect the gravity and level of prestige it carries. Keep it special :< Hopefully they'll reconsider this for future seasons. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5457 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10380 Posts
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Smorrie
Netherlands2932 Posts
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Kespa1988
90 Posts
Tulbo vs Leta. I would say that Leta is more prepared for this tournament and seems like he is more determined, not that im saying he is better, on the other hand Tulbo who trapped his dts and still win... I would say Leta will win this. JD vs Light. JD is really in good shape, he has his momentum, he seems to be practicing much more than usual, but Light tvz is so solid... and he has been his nemesis for quite long, as much as I want JD to advance, Light is in favor. Flash vs Snow. As long as I want Snow to be prepared and do some cool builds, 84% ration of Flash tvp is something you cant ignore... So if it will not rain that day, Flash is in huge favor. | ||
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a-game
Canada5161 Posts
On April 22 2026 23:46 Smorrie wrote: What a shame to see the Ro8 moving from bo7 to bo5. ASL has been the pinnacle of modern day BW.. and the Ro8 is where the tournament really gets serious. It only happens twice a year, it's the most prestigious tournament to win and the format should really reflect the gravity and level of prestige it carries. Keep it special :< Hopefully they'll reconsider this for future seasons. I would be fine with bo3 quarterfinals and semifinals. The ASL prize pool is tiny compared to Dota. It's great to have ASL but working these (old) players like slaves for a few dollars isn't optimal IMO. Like it's 2k for bronze medal, how are you supposed to live off that for 6 months lol | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2932 Posts
In that sense ASL is much like the Olympics; the most prestigious tournament to win for many sports, with very little financial incentives. Even though winning will likely gain athletes quite some popularity and in turns also more profitable sponsorship deals. Playing the Superbowl half-time show would be another example, perceived as one of the most premium shows to play, requiring a lot of prep, while the performers aren't receiving any appearance fees. Most pros are grinding daily proleague, spons and stream to generate additional income. I have no idea about their financial status but I'm sure the highest tier of players have made plenty of bank. They play ASL for its prestige, the love of the game and to keep the scene alive. Nobody is bound to any teams or larger contracts and they even get manually seeded in the qualifier tournaments so the popular players end up making the Ro24. | ||
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byj
505 Posts
![]() On April 22 2026 19:09 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Light is Jaedongs worst match statistically. Yes even worse than FlaSh. He will overcome it and win this ASL, trust | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7863 Posts
Leta > YSC JD > Light Flash > Snow Soma > Leta JD > Flash (hope I’m wrong here) Soma =? JD (seems like a coinflip to me, both have killer instinct) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50864 Posts
I felt like it always added more weight to map selection going into a series. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4157 Posts
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