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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
April 22 2026 07:32 GMT
#261
They really should have arranged the matchups to avoid mirrors
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3229 Posts
April 22 2026 08:44 GMT
#262
On April 22 2026 16:18 Sirris17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2026 07:03 art_of_turtle wrote:
On April 22 2026 02:04 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
My predictions.
[image loading]


If Soma somehow beat Hero then a Soma vs FlaSH final will be a dream. But knowing how weak he is at zvz vs a zerg specialist is gonna be hard.

A man of tulbo culture

So you think tulbo is better at pvt than best...interesting haha

Leta beating Best is a one-off, an upset, not the norm.

Tulbo > Leta in general level in this matchup.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5183 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-22 09:07:13
April 22 2026 09:07 GMT
#263
On April 22 2026 16:32 a-game wrote:
They really should have arranged the matchups to avoid mirrors

Why? For your convenience? This is a tournament. If you can't win in a mirror, you're not the best.
You reek of entitlement.
Taxes are for Terrans
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-22 09:33:53
April 22 2026 09:28 GMT
#264
Little bit of luck for Leta with how group D became all TvT. All TvT likely the only group he could have made it out of. TvZ and TvP are the MUs his weaknesses are much more evident. Kind of how PianO also made it through his Ro24 group. Also Light losing his first match in Ro16 was Leta's saving grace. I feel he likely would not have made it through if he had Light in that Bo3 winner match.

Ro8 seems a toss up for each.
SoMa vs HerO is Soma favored, but HerO can take it.
Tulbo vs Leta is Tulbo favored, but Leta can take it.
Jaedong vs Light is Light favored and i give JD the lowest odds to make it to Ro4.
SnOw vs FlaSh is SnOw favored, but by a hair. In online SnOw has played the best vs FlaSh by a mile compared to everyone else. But maybe Flash's offline killer instincts actually give him an edge. Cant call this one. Flash has a negative online winrate vs only 2 players since his return. SnOw at 42%, and Light at 28%, but vs Light the Sample size is too small to be statistically relevant. This makes SnOw the one real threat to FlaSh.
JDON MY SOUL!
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5183 Posts
April 22 2026 09:42 GMT
#265
On April 22 2026 18:28 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Little bit of luck for Leta with how group D became all TvT. All TvT likely the only group he could have made it out of. TvZ and TvP are the MUs his weaknesses are much more evident. Kind of how PianO also made it through his Ro24 group. Also Light losing his first match in Ro16 was Leta's saving grace. I feel he likely would not have made it through if he had Light in that Bo3 winner match.

Ro8 seems a toss up for each.
SoMa vs HerO is Soma favored, but HerO can take it.
Tulbo vs Leta is Tulbo favored, but Leta can take it.
Jaedong vs Light is Light favored and i give JD the lowest odds to make it to Ro4.
SnOw vs FlaSh is SnOw favored, but by a hair. In online SnOw has played the best vs FlaSh by a mile compared to everyone else. But maybe Flash's offline killer instincts actually give him an edge. Cant call this one. Flash has a negative online winrate vs only 2 players since his return. SnOw at 42%, and Light at 28%, but vs Light the Sample size is too small to be statistically relevant. This makes SnOw the one real threat to FlaSh.


Ususally I'd agreewith your assessment of Jaedong vs Light, but Light's been in a bit of a funk and I think he'll flounder here.
Taxes are for Terrans
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1783 Posts
April 22 2026 09:54 GMT
#266
Leta has excellent early game, solid macro and decent game sense. Tulbo has sloppy early game, solid macro and decent game sense. Great match up for Ro8 first timers. Leta will probably take this one.
Leee Jaee Doong
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-22 10:16:05
April 22 2026 10:09 GMT
#267
On April 22 2026 18:42 Uldridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2026 18:28 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Little bit of luck for Leta with how group D became all TvT. All TvT likely the only group he could have made it out of. TvZ and TvP are the MUs his weaknesses are much more evident. Kind of how PianO also made it through his Ro24 group. Also Light losing his first match in Ro16 was Leta's saving grace. I feel he likely would not have made it through if he had Light in that Bo3 winner match.

Ro8 seems a toss up for each.
SoMa vs HerO is Soma favored, but HerO can take it.
Tulbo vs Leta is Tulbo favored, but Leta can take it.
Jaedong vs Light is Light favored and i give JD the lowest odds to make it to Ro4.
SnOw vs FlaSh is SnOw favored, but by a hair. In online SnOw has played the best vs FlaSh by a mile compared to everyone else. But maybe Flash's offline killer instincts actually give him an edge. Cant call this one. Flash has a negative online winrate vs only 2 players since his return. SnOw at 42%, and Light at 28%, but vs Light the Sample size is too small to be statistically relevant. This makes SnOw the one real threat to FlaSh.


Ususally I'd agreewith your assessment of Jaedong vs Light, but Light's been in a bit of a funk and I think he'll flounder here.


Light still hanging in top 5 on Eloboard. On the other hand Jaedong got blasted down to losing 1-4 to speed. But then again Speed is a top 3 TvZ player in online settings behind only FlaSh and Light. Speed is 9-3 vs Jaedong over their last 12 games. Speed also blasted Hero 7-2 recently.

Jaedong 33:46 Speed total record.
Jaedong 68:164 Light total record.

Light is Jaedongs worst match statistically. Yes even worse than FlaSh.
JDON MY SOUL!
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
April 22 2026 10:24 GMT
#268
On April 22 2026 18:07 Uldridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2026 16:32 a-game wrote:
They really should have arranged the matchups to avoid mirrors

Why? For your convenience? This is a tournament. If you can't win in a mirror, you're not the best.
You reek of entitlement.

Because mirrors are boring and the trophy would be just as prestigious if the quarterfinal was Soma vs Light or Flash

Like damn we had too much mirror already in the ro16/ro24
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5630 Posts
April 22 2026 10:26 GMT
#269
During group draw yesterday Light didn't seem happy about going up against JD, which implies some favor for JD, but Light is still the best TvZ and will definitely not do a bullshit build like 2-2 mech. For JD it's still the worst opponent he could have hoped to draw. Also because of group D hopefully Light has woken up today realizing he needs to wake up: he shouldn't have had as much difficulty deafting Royal, so it's time to get in better shape, especially since whoever is his opponent in Ro4 will be his toughest match in years.

It's up to Light if he is going to win or lose next match, not JD. Light has 2 weeks to muster his peak form, he shouldn't need it yet for JD, but it will be helpful if he is already on the way to it. It comes down to whether Light believes he has a fair shot against Flash/Snow if he's more practiced. For the story I hope Light will just wing it so JD is more likely to win and we either see Snow/Flash/JD in the final vs Soma (or Leta). Tbh confident Leta vs JD/Flash would be such a banger. Soma brings little entertainment value imo. Also the Potential ZvZ finals will be so lame after what Ro4 with the Dong will give us.
FBH #1!
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2941 Posts
April 22 2026 14:46 GMT
#270
What a shame to see the Ro8 moving from bo7 to bo5.

ASL has been the pinnacle of modern day BW.. and the Ro8 is where the tournament really gets serious. It only happens twice a year, it's the most prestigious tournament to win and the format should really reflect the gravity and level of prestige it carries. Keep it special :<

Hopefully they'll reconsider this for future seasons.
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5630 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-22 16:43:24
April 22 2026 16:43 GMT
#271
I think Bo5 is the better best of, but Bo7 for the finals still makes sense to me
FBH #1!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10488 Posts
April 22 2026 17:55 GMT
#272
Bo5 is and always will be the greatest BoX format.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2941 Posts
April 22 2026 19:23 GMT
#273
add a losers bracket and I'm with you guys :D
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
Kespa1988
Profile Joined January 2022
103 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-22 19:50:46
April 22 2026 19:41 GMT
#274
Soma vs Hero, i think soma zvz is his worst much-up, where hero is pretty good in zvz. So if i would have to bet i would say hero.

Tulbo vs Leta. I would say that Leta is more prepared for this tournament and seems like he is more determined, not that im saying he is better, on the other hand Tulbo who trapped his dts and still win...
I would say Leta will win this.

JD vs Light. JD is really in good shape, he has his momentum, he seems to be practicing much more than usual, but Light
tvz is so solid... and he has been his nemesis for quite long, as much as I want JD to advance, Light is in favor.

Flash vs Snow. As long as I want Snow to be prepared and do some cool builds, 84% ration of Flash tvp is something you cant ignore... So if it will not rain that day, Flash is in huge favor.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
April 22 2026 23:25 GMT
#275
On April 22 2026 23:46 Smorrie wrote:
What a shame to see the Ro8 moving from bo7 to bo5.

ASL has been the pinnacle of modern day BW.. and the Ro8 is where the tournament really gets serious. It only happens twice a year, it's the most prestigious tournament to win and the format should really reflect the gravity and level of prestige it carries. Keep it special :<

Hopefully they'll reconsider this for future seasons.

I would be fine with bo3 quarterfinals and semifinals. The ASL prize pool is tiny compared to Dota. It's great to have ASL but working these (old) players like slaves for a few dollars isn't optimal IMO. Like it's 2k for bronze medal, how are you supposed to live off that for 6 months lol
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2941 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-04-23 00:55:20
April 23 2026 00:40 GMT
#276
If financial gain was the primary reason for pros to compete, ASL and professional BW is done altogether. Brood War is such a niche ecosystem, if you're playing to make money you're playing the wrong game.

In that sense ASL is much like the Olympics; the most prestigious tournament to win for many sports, with very little financial incentives. Even though winning will likely gain athletes quite some popularity and in turns also more profitable sponsorship deals. Playing the Superbowl half-time show would be another example, perceived as one of the most premium shows to play, requiring a lot of prep, while the performers aren't receiving any appearance fees.

Most pros are grinding daily proleague, spons and stream to generate additional income. I have no idea about their financial status but I'm sure the highest tier of players have made plenty of bank. They play ASL for its prestige, the love of the game and to keep the scene alive. Nobody is bound to any teams or larger contracts and they even get manually seeded in the qualifier tournaments so the popular players end up making the Ro24.
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
525 Posts
April 23 2026 04:15 GMT
#277
Wow, Leta vs Tulbo making one of them guaranteed to the Ro4. Was hoping for Tulbo to make it further, but guess I should be happy with one of them being guaranteed to make it

On April 22 2026 19:09 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Light is Jaedongs worst match statistically. Yes even worse than FlaSh.

He will overcome it and win this ASL, trust
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8067 Posts
April 23 2026 05:14 GMT
#278
Soma > Hero
Leta > YSC
JD > Light
Flash > Snow

Soma > Leta
JD > Flash (hope I’m wrong here)

Soma =? JD (seems like a coinflip to me, both have killer instinct)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
April 23 2026 05:14 GMT
#279
to be honest I've always been a fan of Bo5 with 4 maps and one repeat map from back in the day, which could always be extended to Bo7 with 6 maps and one repeat.

I felt like it always added more weight to map selection going into a series.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4168 Posts
April 23 2026 06:11 GMT
#280
Do we realize that either Leta or Tulbo will be seeded for the next ASL xD
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