EPTOn November 16 2025 04:42 TMNT wrote:
waste of time
waste of time
just stop posting
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Puosu
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Kraekkling
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
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SCRVN
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PvZ is unbalanced at every thing. Gameplay: It doesn't matter win or lose, Z always active and easier to play than P. Units: Z is flexible, mobile than P. Hydras can be useful in all situation and all stage game. Duration: At early, Z is the king of StarCraft land. At mid, Z will use Hydras + O last forever if Z wants. At late, Z has some units that can burn so much resource if necessary. Strategy: "all in" whenever or switch to macro game without high risk. When Protoss chooses a build order they can't switch to another one. And there are always some points of weakness for Z abuses. We can watch some P win games randomly or even all of P's winning games. We will see that winnable of P is almost impossible for P to win. Example: some nice stormru, sneaky DT then kill 50 Drones, micro at Bisu's level, timing push. Whatelse? Are they easy to do? | ||
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iopq
United States1058 Posts
On November 16 2025 12:34 SCRVN wrote: ^ why does only Protoss make mistake in 25 years but not Terran or Zerg? Bisu exploited the common Zerg builds to win a star league much less than 25 years ago. Going hatch first every game is most definitely a mistake (ez 13 nex every game) and ZvP didn't get a change since 1.16.1 so it's basically same patch and shitty maps for Protoss (Kick back and such are better for Protoss these days) Also, sample size. We have 3 ASLs a year, and people whine about 6 or 7 games in a final match. Guess what, 100 games would be a SHITTY sample size for a matchup that's like ~53% overall recently. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6812 Posts
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Soft_General_5023
110 Posts
if you advocate/claim zvp imbalance, can you maybe publish and comment video/replays of you losing to zerg because of you think it was an imbalance? surely you have lot of plain hydra bust loses replays of yours i am happy to pay/make some donation to you stream for such a content spice up your life! | ||
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Bonyth
Poland595 Posts
True imba exists only at the highest level, where the gains from spending more time to get better at this game become smaller and smaller. In foreign scene (or below pro level), the imbalance exists only in the time u need to spend to get better. For example, for protoss player it would take the least time to start adventure with the game and get to B rank. Of course, mastering the game is not just about the time but also other factors, like intelligence (how fast u can learn the game / progress at it compared to other players). Either way, it's near impossible to say if player A won vs player B because of imba, or because he mastered the game better. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
Quality of Quantity of time spent + talent = quantity and quality of improvement. | ||
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ruhtraeel
Canada125 Posts
I'd take Best, Bisu, Rain, and Mini all over him against a Z | ||
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TornadoSteve
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CicadaSC
United States1867 Posts
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Ikirouta
Finland739 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
On November 17 2025 10:40 ruhtraeel wrote: I said it a bunch but I'll say it again, Snow is amazing in PvP and PvT but he's probably the weakest P out of the top 5 against Z, which will always hold him back in becoming a champion I'd take Best, Bisu, Rain, and Mini all over him against a Z the stats online imply otherwise. SnOw fumbled against SoMa in the finals. Online SnOw is 2nd only to Bisu in PvZ. his PvZ being weak is not reflected in the data. SnOw has 53%-56%+ winrate vs all zergs except Soulkey (45%) and SoMa (39%). SoMa and Soulkey respectively are UP on all protoss. Soma 1,134 wins, 721 losses 61%. Soulkey 874 wins, 549 losses 61%. SnOw has 1,582 wins, 1,240 losses vs Zerg. that is 56%. This is second only to Bisu's 996 wins, 746 losses, which is 57%. Rain is the 3rd best with 330-302. Best with 1,102 wins, 1,101 losses Mini with 1,416 wins, 1,420 losses The stats imply SnOw is really good at PvZ, second only to Bisu. Snow is so unreasonably good at Pvt and Pvp that his statistically good Pvz looks weak. But it isnt. | ||
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Soft_General_5023
110 Posts
On November 17 2025 19:21 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: The stats imply SnOw is really good at PvZ, second only to Bisu. Online, yes. He was unbeatable online about 2 years ago, i remember him having like like 30 consecutive wins in eloboard. Now he is bit worse online and better in offline/asl for some reason. But in ASL i prefer Bisu and Mini PvZ. Current ASL results are about right IMO ( Bisu equal or better to top zergs, Snow is not). | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1125 Posts
On November 17 2025 19:43 Soft_General_5023 wrote: Online, yes. He was unbeatable online about 2 years ago, i remember him having like like 30 consecutive wins in eloboard. Now he is bit worse online and better in offline/asl for some reason. But in ASL i prefer Bisu and Mini PvZ. Current ASL results are about right IMO ( Bisu equal or better to top zergs, Snow is not). SnOw went like 75-8 at one point which got him to the highest ELO rating in online BW history.(since 2016) | ||
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TMNT
3118 Posts
Mini's consecutive 4-1 wins over Queen many seasons ago skew people's perception of his PvZ so much. His overall PvZ record is in fact just barely better than Best and far behind Snow and Bisu. Bisu also hasn't done well against top Zergs in recent seasons in ASL, having lost all his Bo3, 5, 7 against Hero, Soulkey, Soma. Last season he even got KO'd 0-2 by Action. In fact his win over Larva this season was the first time he won a Bo series against a 'top' Zerg since ASL13 so not sure where the 'equal or better to top Zergs' shout comes from. (Larva, Action and Effort are not top tier Zerg mind) | ||
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Kraekkling
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On November 17 2025 16:22 Ikirouta wrote: Im sipping a cup of coffee and reading through this on a monday morning, humanity is very cool! man I love posting on our stupid lil' forum about our stupid lil' game | ||
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TMNT
3118 Posts
Bisu: 6-8 (Soma), 1-4 (Hero), 2-6 (Soulkey) Snow: 3-4 (Soma), 1-6 (Hero), 5-14 (Soulkey) Mini: 0-2 (Soma), 2-3 (Hero), 3-7 (Soulkey) "equal or better" though. Ironically, Best, who is considered the worst PvZer among them, is 4-5 (Soma), 0-0 (Hero), 4-4 (Soulkey). But I guess it's just a matter of not meeting them at the right (wrong) time. Likewise Snow looks worst here but mainly because of playing them the most. Somebody was saying something about counting only finals but not Ro4, 8, 16...? | ||
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Soft_General_5023
110 Posts
On November 17 2025 22:22 TMNT wrote: Head to head records in the last 10 ASL seasons between top 3 PvZers and top 3 ZvPers: Bisu: 6-8 (Soma), 1-4 (Hero), 2-6 (Soulkey) Snow: 3-4 (Soma), 1-6 (Hero), 5-14 (Soulkey) Mini: 0-2 (Soma), 2-3 (Hero), 3-7 (Soulkey) "equal or better" though. Ironically, Best, who is considered the worst PvZer among them, is 4-5 (Soma), 0-0 (Hero), 4-4 (Soulkey). But I guess it's just a matter of not meeting them at the right (wrong) time. Likewise Snow looks worst here but mainly because of playing them the most. Somebody was saying something about counting only finals but not Ro4, 8, 16...? Can you name of above, the serie, or the game where you think that protoss loss due ZvP imbalance? | ||
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