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I did a little count of the participants of all the past 18 ASL seasons (17 ASL seasons and VANT36.5 National Starleague (Which for some reason are also called part of this big ASL tournament).
So here goes.
The players who have participated most often
Protoss
Best 16
SnOw 14
Mini 14
Terrans
Sharp 16
Mong 15
Rush 15
Zerg
Soulkey 13
herO 12
Action 11
Number of players who participated 1 time for each race:
Protoss - 8
Terrans - 13
Zerg - 14
As you can see, the easiest way for newcomers to get into the tournament was for Zerg, Terran and only then Protoss.
I wonder if there will be any new names? I wish there were.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
maybe, probably not and even if they do, its not likely for them to go past Ro24 and drop out
we might never see someone like Soma again.
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Speed is Sexy. he has been in two asl season. 11 and 17.
ssinz has been in 3 season not two. he was in 9, 11 and 12.
Bishop was in two, not 1. 13 and 15.
Ruin was in 3 not 2. 12 13 and 15.
Where is Miso. so thats 8 and not 7 and 1.
Killer was in 6 not 5.
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On April 28 2024 17:44 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Speed is Sexy. he has been in two asl season. 11 and 17.
ssinz has been in 3 season not two. he was in 9, 11 and 12.
Bishop was in two, not 1. 13 and 15.
Ruin was in 3 not 2. 12 13 and 15.
Where is Miso. so thats 8 and not 7 and 1.
Killer was in 6 not 5.
Thank you. Corrected the table
I didn't realize that Sexy was Speed and MIsO was Where.
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it turns out that the Zerg have the highest chances of making it to at least RO24 ))
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nope
same old, same old.. doesn't mean it's bad in any way by the way. It's just that the qualifying system is so gruelling and unforgiving. Maybe if the tournament expanded to 32 slots then yeah. But with the same format, I don't see it happening.
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Also Hyun has been in 3 not 2. Forgot to add him.
to add to the topic itself.
There's some names I'd say are doing particularly well and stand a better chance to qualify now more than before.
Highest chance of qualifying for the first time:
BTS(Z), Motive(P), Paralyze(P) - These three players are honestly better than many who have qualified already, or have qualified multiple times.
BTS > Hyun, ZeloT, 815, MisO, GGaemo
Motive & Paralyze > nOOB, Tyson, YSC, Movie
Very low chance of qualifying:
Rich(P), Promise(P), 1127(T), Skey(T), HBQ(T), Saber(Z), Iffy(Z) Prime(T), RideSky(T), Kop(T), > Quickly(P), Blade(P) > Absolute(Z), Mayd(T),
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Thanks for sharing. The numbers are generally lower than I thought. Seems that qualifying is pretty tough, even for former top level players. Presumably that makes it quite hard for the next tier down.
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On April 28 2024 19:49 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also Hyun has been in 3 not 2. Forgot to add him.
to add to the topic itself.
There's some names I'd say are doing particularly well and stand a better chance to qualify now more than before.
Highest chance of qualifying for the first time:
BTS(Z), Motive(P), Paralyze(P) - These three players are honestly better than many who have qualified already, or have qualified multiple times.
BTS > Hyun, ZeloT, 815, MisO, GGaemo
Motive & Paralyze > nOOB, Tyson, YSC, Movie
Very low chance of qualifying:
Rich(P), Promise(P), 1127(T), Skey(T), HBQ(T), Saber(Z), Iffy(Z) Prime(T), RideSky(T), Kop(T), > Quickly(P), Blade(P) > Absolute(Z), Mayd(T),
who is "BTS"? Another aka change or someone completely new that I just don't know about?
agree about Motive & Paralyze btw. Hopefully they will make it in to ASL 18. I still wouldn't consider them "new" though. But they've not yet managed to get into the ASL ro24 so I guess technically they would be "new names in the ASL" if qualified.
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On April 28 2024 20:50 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2024 19:49 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also Hyun has been in 3 not 2. Forgot to add him.
to add to the topic itself.
There's some names I'd say are doing particularly well and stand a better chance to qualify now more than before.
Highest chance of qualifying for the first time:
BTS(Z), Motive(P), Paralyze(P) - These three players are honestly better than many who have qualified already, or have qualified multiple times.
BTS > Hyun, ZeloT, 815, MisO, GGaemo
Motive & Paralyze > nOOB, Tyson, YSC, Movie
Very low chance of qualifying:
Rich(P), Promise(P), 1127(T), Skey(T), HBQ(T), Saber(Z), Iffy(Z) Prime(T), RideSky(T), Kop(T), > Quickly(P), Blade(P) > Absolute(Z), Mayd(T),
who is "BTS"? Another aka change or someone completely new that I just don't know about? agree about Motive & Paralyze btw. Hopefully they will make it in to ASL 18. I still wouldn't consider them "new" though.
He has been using BTS for a couple years now. He used to be Bang before remastered in the Fish days.
 Alone
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On April 28 2024 20:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2024 20:50 M3t4PhYzX wrote:On April 28 2024 19:49 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also Hyun has been in 3 not 2. Forgot to add him.
to add to the topic itself.
There's some names I'd say are doing particularly well and stand a better chance to qualify now more than before.
Highest chance of qualifying for the first time:
BTS(Z), Motive(P), Paralyze(P) - These three players are honestly better than many who have qualified already, or have qualified multiple times.
BTS > Hyun, ZeloT, 815, MisO, GGaemo
Motive & Paralyze > nOOB, Tyson, YSC, Movie
Very low chance of qualifying:
Rich(P), Promise(P), 1127(T), Skey(T), HBQ(T), Saber(Z), Iffy(Z) Prime(T), RideSky(T), Kop(T), > Quickly(P), Blade(P) > Absolute(Z), Mayd(T),
who is "BTS"? Another aka change or someone completely new that I just don't know about? agree about Motive & Paralyze btw. Hopefully they will make it in to ASL 18. I still wouldn't consider them "new" though. He has been using BTS for a couple years now. He used to be Bang before remastered in the Fish days. https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Alone
Oh, he's Alone. Ok then, yeah I know of him.
Thanks for clearing it up.
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Is Hm comparable to BTS? From what I've seen, he's a pretty strong zerg too.
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On April 29 2024 00:36 bochs wrote:
Is Hm comparable to BTS? From what I've seen, he's a pretty strong zerg too.
Hm is on a level below BTS but not too far off.
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On April 28 2024 18:06 Sonic_md wrote:
it turns out that the Zerg have the highest chances of making it to at least RO24 ))
I count 139 appearances for Z vs 165 for Terran
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On April 29 2024 01:14 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2024 18:06 Sonic_md wrote:
it turns out that the Zerg have the highest chances of making it to at least RO24 )) I count 139 appearances for Z vs 165 for Terran
he is referring to the total number of unique players, not the total qualifications. The one issue with qualification numbers is that it does not tell the whole story. Qualifier brackets tell the other half of the story. favorable bracket? tough opponent elimimated by someone else? freak accident like with Ivory qualifying or BCM taking out Queen. Getting an almost unbeatable player on your side of the bracket? etc. Often times the lower tier players eliminate each other in groups which already reduces the odds of new players qualifying on top of there being literal gate keepers from tier 1 and 2 in all the semifinals and finals.
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On April 28 2024 19:49 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also Hyun has been in 3 not 2. Forgot to add him.
Highest chance of qualifying for the first time:
BTS(Z)
BTS is TRUE, right?
Yeah, I've seen his games. Strong zerg, yeah.
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On April 29 2024 01:14 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2024 18:06 Sonic_md wrote:
it turns out that the Zerg have the highest chances of making it to at least RO24 )) I count 139 appearances for Z vs 165 for Terran
I was referring to the total number of unique players)))
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Netherlands5198 Posts
There is quite a number of ex-pros that peaked much higher than a good chunk of the people on that list. At least 10 have a fair chance to survive qualies with just ladder grind, and then there's dudes like Jangbi and Fantasy.
I'd really love for a top Korean clan to become dedicated as hell, and see their top 3 players enter the next ASL. The hobby approach simply won't cut it. And solo bolo just isn't the way unless you're both talented and very intelligent. Even then getting through ASL qualies you'll need luck on your side.
It's all a pipe dream. As long as ASL keeps its prestige I'll be happy to watch however many more seasons, but I'd like to see an old name like Turn, Really, Tempest, Great, Crazy-Hydra show up one of these seasons.
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BTS is Alone , who also had the nick Princess !
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Just setting Internet to TR 16 l Low, or TR 4 l Extra High is the best. We will see so much new faces come to ASL.
I know some guys are so terrible at TR 24 l Low, but they play very well with lag and become the best with super lag (they can beat S players in some seconds).
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On April 29 2024 22:24 Ideas wrote:
n00b = YSC?
nope.. YSC plays with his ID tulbo
noob is another player
both are protoss
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and you can see nOOb's stream with his other id: ajuk12
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Having semi-rigged qualifiers using manual seeding makes this very unlikely to happen.
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On April 28 2024 16:43 Sonic_md wrote:
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I wonder if there will be any new names? I wish there were.
I never was a part of Starcraft cybersport, but i was doing cybersport in couple other big titles, both as a player and as a judge later on. And i think there's one big thing which may help to answer your question: it's how many players are taking podium spots.
See, when it's just real few guys - some 5...6 players tops - who end up taking top-3 spots in all or almost all tournaments, all the time, - then new names rarely appear. Because everyone knows "naah, can't beat _these_ fellas", and it reduces newcomers' motivation real much; but also because mere fact of so few players always (or nearly always) winning tournaments - means that these few actually are much stronger than all the gazillion of potential challengers, which can only happen when there's a number of very special things going about such top players (which can be their unique talent, and/or their especially strong motivation created by an unusual reasoning, and/or some rare sorts of humble advantages such top players have, with or without knowing).
But when tournaments are regularly won by some 10+ different players, then it's much more likely for new players to enter the competition, and so way more new names regularly appear - as well as disappear. The scene is "more fluent" and "changing" then.
I think you know which of said two cases is more about ASL, right? So your hopes and expectations could possibly be adjusted as per above, if it sounds reasonable to you. 
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On April 29 2024 22:31 prosatan wrote:nope.. YSC plays with his ID tulbo noob is another player both are protoss
YSC goes by Teoltube or Tulbo. Used to go by Huro. His name is Yun윤 Su수 Cheol철. nOOB is Kim김 Beom범 Su수. Used the name Cave since January or so. Used Eros_dOg and WorlddOgdAy in 2023.
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i think i read harsh comment somewhere here or reddit that bw proleague/asl is an inbreeding society that doesn't really welcome any foreigners, Koreans or otherwise
there is like 10-15 players that can win asl and no one new will ever win it again
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On April 30 2024 03:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2024 22:31 prosatan wrote:On April 29 2024 22:24 Ideas wrote:
n00b = YSC? nope.. YSC plays with his ID tulbo noob is another player both are protoss YSC goes by Teoltube or Tulbo. Used to go by Huro. His name is Yun윤 Su수 Cheol철. nOOB is Kim김 Beom범 Su수. Used the name Cave since January or so. Used Eros_dOg and WorlddOgdAy in 2023.
 
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On April 30 2024 04:13 Soft_General_5023 wrote:
i think i read harsh comment somewhere here or reddit that bw proleague/asl is an inbreeding society that doesn't really welcome any foreigners, Koreans or otherwise
there is like 10-15 players that can win asl and no one new will ever win it again
To get meaingful traction in the Korean pro community you need a few things:
1) know korean and build a network in the korean community. (very important because you'll need good korean to converse with pros during pro leagues)
2) stream and grow a viewer base
3) get enough viewers who can donate for sponsored matches vs other pros.
4) get good results vs pros.
5) get enough viewers willing to donate when you get invited to a pro league, so that you will get invited again because you bring $$ to the table. But you also have to get results, unless you bring lots of $$$ to the prize pool at which point they won't care about your results. But good results definitely helps because they'll be happy with you on their team.
The above is already very difficult to do for top amateurs and lower tier pros. There are 3 pro league tiers.
Major League for the tryhards like Rush, Snow, Mini, Royal, Light, Soulkey, Queen, Jaedong, Bisu, JyJ, HerO and Best.
K-league for the very good pros who are a bit less serious about it and largely play for the entertainment and money. Think of EffOrt, Rain, Sharp, GGaemo, YSC, Paralyze, BTS, Action, Stork, Shinee, Motive, Ruin and Mind, Sacsri, Hyuk, Barracks, SSak, Ample.
K2, former moonlight, for the mid-low tier pros who can't frequently get into K-league and have to organize their own. Scan, Motive, Ruin, nOOB, Hm, 815, ArtUser, Sacsri, Promise, nOOB, Speed, Ample, ZeloT, ssinz etc. You got to at least be as good as they are to get there.
Now why is this all important? You got to mingle, interact and build connections so that Korean pros will play with you more and more and more, which will result in you as a player growing more and more and more until you're good enough to consistently bring a level comparable to theirs. Only a few "outsider amateurs" have managed to get into this group. Scan, promise, ZeloT, Ssinz. Everyone else was already part of the group.
Major Proleague and K-league guys are the best because they get the highest amount of games in vs other Major Proleague and K-league tier players. The others simply can't get the same volume of games vs that top level of players. it limits their growth because you need to play vs the top to become the top.
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That's what a formal esport teams were really good at: training and bringing up new talent by giving them a place to train/practice all day vs other players of equal/greater skill (even though they had to work ridiculous hours for basically no pay). The current player pool at the top is incredibly skilled but will eventually dry out and whoever is left to replace them will have a much smaller draw and be way less skilled :\
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On May 01 2024 00:49 Ideas wrote:
That's what a formal esport teams were really good at: training and bringing up new talent by giving them a place to train/practice all day vs other players of equal/greater skill (even though they had to work ridiculous hours for basically no pay). The current player pool at the top is incredibly skilled but will eventually dry out and whoever is left to replace them will have a much smaller draw and be way less skilled :\
University teams do sometimes give promising lower tier talents a door to become part of the network. Its somewhat how Promise got in.
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Ever)P(NaBi is a protoss player, not a zerg
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