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On March 09 2023 00:50 Converick wrote:
My BROS I am an SC:BW streamer for LATAM and living from streaming is not an option especially for Starcraft content creators. We are like any of you who enjoy playing and watching SC, and if at any time it becomes difficult to upload content or we leave them for a certain time it is because we also have problems, demotivation, priorities, etc.
Hi, i´m new in tl and that´s false
Deathfate and Dandy were doing good in Trovo, Deathfate got a sponsor and that`s why he helped the community,Yusc arrived later and earned less money but he´s doing good . Olipatrick has a good life but id know facebook
Trovo belongs to Tencent and they used to give MASSIVE amounts of money and i`m not counting donations, they stopped because people in SA (i`m latino) abused the laws, trovo decreased the bounties and that wrecked Deathfate.
On March 08 2023 04:51 pebble444 wrote:
Opening up to Chinese players is when I stopped supporting BSL; because Chinese players have a heavy linked identity with Koreans, there is millions of ethnic Koreans who are now Chinese or living in china, so a ban to Koreans would practically mean a ban to Chinese players;
For me it is is not only foreign broodwar anymore, but a mixed link;
Idk what makes Koreans better, maybe it´s because they work harder than chinese (which is impressive) but top "foreign" players can defeat chinese players. Their identity is not heavily linked cause Skoreans are US "allies" (politics + old US entertainment) and Chinese really love their country and they are Nkorean allies (politics 2). If "foreign" players were able to travel there they would stomp the chinese then "we" would learn from each other.
In almost the same way SKoreans live close to Japan and share a lot of ancient stuff but SKans aren´t close to them
In reality chinese players are the missing link foreign bw needed to reach the amateurs
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One for sure i know: We dont ''any more'' DPL,RCG,Some mini tour ( defiler, jeez weekly ) if we even ''cut'' BSL-t: of course we will continue the play, just on B level. That's why you need to know when we're talking about China: China player has 10x better oportunity to play,practice this game ( they connection tr24low vs Korea, they have 100 tournament, they have games vs Korean pros,semi pros ) and after they banned Dewalt on SpringCup (with good connection) I do not know what to say.....
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On March 09 2023 19:06 sas.Sziky wrote:
One for sure i know: We dont ''any more'' DPL,RCG,Some mini tour ( defiler, jeez weekly ) if we even ''cut'' BSL-t: of course we will continue the play, just on B level. That's why you need to know when we're talking about China: China player has 10x better oportunity to play,practice this game ( they connection tr24low vs Korea, they have 100 tournament, they have games vs Korean pros,semi pros ) and after they banned Dewalt on SpringCup (with good connection) I do not know what to say.....
what..? why did they banned Dewalt? for what exactly? "bad connection"? but he qualified from the korean part, no?
that's absolutely disgusting, wow..
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On March 09 2023 20:30 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2023 19:06 sas.Sziky wrote:
One for sure i know: We dont ''any more'' DPL,RCG,Some mini tour ( defiler, jeez weekly ) if we even ''cut'' BSL-t: of course we will continue the play, just on B level. That's why you need to know when we're talking about China: China player has 10x better oportunity to play,practice this game ( they connection tr24low vs Korea, they have 100 tournament, they have games vs Korean pros,semi pros ) and after they banned Dewalt on SpringCup (with good connection) I do not know what to say.....
what..? why did they banned Dewalt? for what exactly? "bad connection"? but he qualified from the korean part, no? that's absolutely disgusting, wow..
''Dewalt was forfeited because of the network delay problem.'' as far as i know it was tr24high.  Sanpao StarLeague Spring Cup/4
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On March 09 2023 20:43 sas.Sziky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2023 20:30 M3t4PhYzX wrote:On March 09 2023 19:06 sas.Sziky wrote:
One for sure i know: We dont ''any more'' DPL,RCG,Some mini tour ( defiler, jeez weekly ) if we even ''cut'' BSL-t: of course we will continue the play, just on B level. That's why you need to know when we're talking about China: China player has 10x better oportunity to play,practice this game ( they connection tr24low vs Korea, they have 100 tournament, they have games vs Korean pros,semi pros ) and after they banned Dewalt on SpringCup (with good connection) I do not know what to say.....
what..? why did they banned Dewalt? for what exactly? "bad connection"? but he qualified from the korean part, no? that's absolutely disgusting, wow.. ''Dewalt was forfeited because of the network delay problem.'' as far as i know it was tr24high. Sanpao StarLeague Spring Cup/4
wtf man, that's just sad..
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On March 09 2023 22:19 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2023 20:43 sas.Sziky wrote:On March 09 2023 20:30 M3t4PhYzX wrote:On March 09 2023 19:06 sas.Sziky wrote:
One for sure i know: We dont ''any more'' DPL,RCG,Some mini tour ( defiler, jeez weekly ) if we even ''cut'' BSL-t: of course we will continue the play, just on B level. That's why you need to know when we're talking about China: China player has 10x better oportunity to play,practice this game ( they connection tr24low vs Korea, they have 100 tournament, they have games vs Korean pros,semi pros ) and after they banned Dewalt on SpringCup (with good connection) I do not know what to say.....
what..? why did they banned Dewalt? for what exactly? "bad connection"? but he qualified from the korean part, no? that's absolutely disgusting, wow.. ''Dewalt was forfeited because of the network delay problem.'' as far as i know it was tr24high. Sanpao StarLeague Spring Cup/4 wtf man, that's just sad..
there was a bit of backlash, I think it s a case of poorly written rules and overzealous admin following said poorly written rule strictly. (usually admins dont have much freedom with a botched rule that being said, I know from experience)
But would they have been so strict if it were Mihu or Shuttle? probably not either
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Rome was not built in a day.
In any case, Blizzard's negligence is the biggest problem.
In contrast, Microsoft did very well in Age of Empires II.
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On March 09 2023 20:30 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2023 19:06 sas.Sziky wrote:
One for sure i know: We dont ''any more'' DPL,RCG,Some mini tour ( defiler, jeez weekly ) if we even ''cut'' BSL-t: of course we will continue the play, just on B level. That's why you need to know when we're talking about China: China player has 10x better oportunity to play,practice this game ( they connection tr24low vs Korea, they have 100 tournament, they have games vs Korean pros,semi pros ) and after they banned Dewalt on SpringCup (with good connection) I do not know what to say.....
what..? why did they banned Dewalt? for what exactly? "bad connection"? but he qualified from the korean part, no? that's absolutely disgusting, wow..
the chinese are nasty, they ban dewalt because it will lag their tournaments but they can go down lag the entire bsl without problem
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LATAM the nastiest of them all by that measurement,
lets make more bridges instead of nuke the few we have.
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I struggle to see the outcry after that Dewalt decision tbh. If it's written in the rule that a player must meet a specific network condition to play then so be it. He was able to play the qualifier when he was in Korea but it's not the case now.
On the other hand BSL is a global tourney which suffers from lag problem already. If you blame the Chinese for lagging BSL then might as well ban NA and SA in the process and it'd become BSL Euro.
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On March 11 2023 01:35 TMNT wrote:
I struggle to see the outcry after that Dewalt decision tbh. If it's written in the rule that a player must meet a specific network condition to play then so be it. He was able to play the qualifier when he was in Korea but it's not the case now.
On the other hand BSL is a global tourney which suffers from lag problem already. If you blame the Chinese for lagging BSL then might as well ban NA and SA in the process and it'd become BSL Euro.
you know there is such a thing as a sense of justice. but you don't know anything about that, as I can see.
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On March 11 2023 01:35 TMNT wrote:
I struggle to see the outcry after that Dewalt decision tbh. If it's written in the rule that a player must meet a specific network condition to play then so be it. He was able to play the qualifier when he was in Korea but it's not the case now.
On the other hand BSL is a global tourney which suffers from lag problem already. If you blame the Chinese for lagging BSL then might as well ban NA and SA in the process and it'd become BSL Euro.
Don't invite him to play in the first place if you know there can be lag problems and you don't want to deal with that.
Banning him because of the lag spikes after he qualifies from the harder region is just fucked up and ruins the integrity of the tournament. Weird that you can't see the clear problem here. But whatever.
It's too late to do anything about it anyway.
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unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems.
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On March 11 2023 02:24 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 01:35 TMNT wrote:
I struggle to see the outcry after that Dewalt decision tbh. If it's written in the rule that a player must meet a specific network condition to play then so be it. He was able to play the qualifier when he was in Korea but it's not the case now.
On the other hand BSL is a global tourney which suffers from lag problem already. If you blame the Chinese for lagging BSL then might as well ban NA and SA in the process and it'd become BSL Euro. Don't invite him to play in the first place if you know there can be lag problems and you don't want to deal with that. Banning him because of the lag spikes after he qualifies from the harder region is just fucked up and ruins the integrity of the tournament. Weird that you can't see the clear problem here. But whatever. It's too late to do anything about it anyway.
I see it as an unfortunate situation, not bad intention from the organizers (as some are implying). It could be that they invited him when he was in Korea with a view that even when he left, the latency would still be okay. In the end it was not the case. Forfeiting was harsh but letting him play would create another problem with integrity of the tournament as well. There were really no good choices.
But what I don't see is the outcry after that decision. Look at Ultra's post for example. As if the Chinese deliberately try to ruin BSL with something BSL already had.
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problems are solved, not by giving new information, but by arranging what we have known since long.
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South America invites Europe and NA to their events.
North America invites Europe and SA to their events
Europe invites China, NA, and SA to their events.
China invites no one, and how dare you ask for an invite.
I remember early on when I noted the unfairness of allowing Chinese players in BSL, when Chinese tournaments don't allow foreigners in their tournaments, there was a guy who raged out at me for it in the BSL discord. The guy then lied and said that China had no online only tournaments (lol).
The whole situation is ridiculous on its face.
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On March 11 2023 03:25 Hawk2 wrote:
South America invites Europe and NA to their events.
North America invites Europe and SA to their events
Europe invites China, NA, and SA to their events.
China invites no one, and how dare you ask for an invite.
I remember early on when I noted the unfairness of allowing Chinese players in BSL, when Chinese tournaments don't allow foreigners in their tournaments, there was a guy who raged out at me for it in the BSL discord. The guy then lied and said that China had no online only tournaments (lol).
The whole situation is ridiculous on its face.
Probably the Izu guy from china, he called me a racist for some reason as well.
Anyways, lesson learned.
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On March 11 2023 03:05 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 02:24 M3t4PhYzX wrote:On March 11 2023 01:35 TMNT wrote:
I struggle to see the outcry after that Dewalt decision tbh. If it's written in the rule that a player must meet a specific network condition to play then so be it. He was able to play the qualifier when he was in Korea but it's not the case now.
On the other hand BSL is a global tourney which suffers from lag problem already. If you blame the Chinese for lagging BSL then might as well ban NA and SA in the process and it'd become BSL Euro. Don't invite him to play in the first place if you know there can be lag problems and you don't want to deal with that. Banning him because of the lag spikes after he qualifies from the harder region is just fucked up and ruins the integrity of the tournament. Weird that you can't see the clear problem here. But whatever. It's too late to do anything about it anyway. I see it as an unfortunate situation, not bad intention from the organizers (as some are implying). It could be that they invited him when he was in Korea with a view that even when he left, the latency would still be okay. In the end it was not the case. Forfeiting was harsh but letting him play would create another problem with integrity of the tournament as well. There were really no good choices. But what I don't see is the outcry after that decision. Look at Ultra's post for example. As if the Chinese deliberately try to ruin BSL with something BSL already had.
Let's be honest here - if it was a chinese or korean player lagging for any reason at that point, he would not get DQed.
I'm pretty certain of that.
They could have easily rescheduled, as it was done in MANY tournaments for MANY reasons before. If you can't/don't want to deal with lag, don't invite potentially lagging players in the first place. Simple.
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