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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
Even if part of the prize went to them, it would bring new viewers. | ||
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AncientSion
73 Posts
The Starcast_TV youtube channel sits on like 500 bucks Patreon support (while Scan was apparently asking for 2000 bucks to cast ASL) https://www.patreon.com/starcasttv I was just checking out the the Artosis and Tasteless Patreon and they do a whooping 10000 bucks monthly. Yes, 1700 supporters and 10000 bucks PER M ONTHS for a late and at best mediocre cast. https://www.patreon.com/ASLenglish So yeah the money is there but its not going where its supposed to go. Its a disgrace as far as i am concerned. BSL is fine, could be improved, sure but its okay. However, i think expecting to get 2500 bucks per months and make a living out of organizing tournaments is in my opinion a rather high bar. Obviously its not impossible but highly unlikely. In regards to "dead game", its hard to say. I think brood war is kinda of in between "alive and well" and "going into a coma". The high skilled foreigner always have 50 to 150 viewer regardless of time of day or night which isnt bad i dont think. But its also not great. Top homm3 or AoE2 streamers can get 500 to 1000 viewers and they dont wear a swimsuit either. EDIT Just to be clear, what Zzzero and the casters like Diggity, Doc etc have done is great, also great that voggy, Kwark or JJ helped out was fantastic. And then there is Nyoken, whose commitment is just on another level, casting BSL after BSL and then even waking up early every other day to give us fantastic commentary on ASL together with Eonzerg. So i think we have lots of really hardcore fans that go above and beyond to support brood war. I just wish viewers would step up as well. Would it really hurt you to donate 2 to 5 bucks each months ? Thats the cost of a single covefe... | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1708 Posts
Anyway, thanks to ZZZero for his contribution during all these years, he went 100% with it and that's the way to go with your passion. | ||
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sas.Sziky
Hungary334 Posts
On March 07 2023 17:36 AncientSion wrote: In my opinion, the main problem is this. The Starcast_TV youtube channel sits on like 500 bucks Patreon support (while Scan was apparently asking for 2000 bucks to cast ASL) I was just checking out the the Artosis and Tasteless Patreon and they do a whooping 10000 bucks monthly. Yes, 1700 supporters and 10000 bucks PER M ONTHS for a late and at best mediocre cast. https://www.patreon.com/ASLenglish So yeah the money is there but its not going where its supposed to go. Its a disgrace as far as i am concerned. BSL is fine, could be improved, sure but its okay. However, i think expecting to get 2500 bucks per months and make a living out of organizing tournaments is in my opinion a rather high bar. Obviously its not impossible but highly unlikely. In regards to "dead game", its hard to say. I think brood war is kinda of in between "alive and well" and "going into a coma". The high skilled foreigner always have 50 to 150 viewer regardless of time of day or night which isnt bad i dont think. But its also not great. Top homm3 or AoE2 streamers can get 500 to 1000 viewers and they dont wear a swimsuit either. I completely agree. Unfortunately, those who could really help, they don't do much. I really miss the Chinese help ( they would also support their own players) even if it's not worth it to them from a business perspective seriously what would $3000 be for them? | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
On March 07 2023 17:36 AncientSion wrote: In my opinion, the main problem is this. The Starcast_TV youtube channel sits on like 500 bucks Patreon support (while Scan was apparently asking for 2000 bucks to cast ASL) I was just checking out the the Artosis and Tasteless Patreon and they do a whooping 10000 bucks monthly. Yes, 1700 supporters and 10000 bucks PER M ONTHS for a late and at best mediocre cast. https://www.patreon.com/ASLenglish So yeah the money is there but its not going where its supposed to go. Its a disgrace as far as i am concerned. BSL is fine, could be improved, sure but its okay. However, i think expecting to get 2500 bucks per months and make a living out of organizing tournaments is in my opinion a rather high bar. Obviously its not impossible but highly unlikely. In regards to "dead game", its hard to say. I think brood war is kinda of in between "alive and well" and "going into a coma". The high skilled foreigner always have 50 to 150 viewer regardless of time of day or night which isnt bad i dont think. But its also not great. Top homm3 or AoE2 streamers can get 500 to 1000 viewers and they dont wear a swimsuit either. EDIT Just to be clear, what Zzzero and the casters like Diggity, Doc etc have done is great, also great that voggy, Kwark or JJ helped out was fantastic. And then there is Nyoken, whose commitment is just on another level, casting BSL after BSL and then even waking up early every other day to give us fantastic commentary on ASL together with Eonzerg. So i think we have lots of really hardcore fans that go above and beyond to support brood war. I just wish viewers would step up as well. Would it really hurt you to donate 2 to 5 bucks each months ? Thats the cost of a single covefe... You didnt even link the starcastv patreon, how are you expecting people to donate? | ||
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TMNT
3147 Posts
On March 07 2023 17:36 AncientSion wrote: So yeah the money is there but its not going where its supposed to go. Its a disgrace as far as i am concerned. And where is it supposed to go? The money goes where the payers want it to go. Tastosis have earned it through years of persistent works in Korea including difficult periods when they struggled to pay their rent. There is nothing wrong in their fans paying money to have their favorites casters cast the best BW on earth. For those people, BSL is not something they can't live without, so they don't feel the need to invest. You can't blame them for putting money in the wrong place. The way I see it, either we turn BSL into something people can't live without (probably impossible given the state of foreign BW) or we have to accept that it will be downgraded (if not ended totally) into smaller competitions like BWCL, CPL, etc. | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden535 Posts
yes yes i know tastosis can't cast live because of their twitch/afreeca partnership or something, i'm just saying the amount of money they get paid to do something that's already being done very well by nyoken + scan / eonzerg makes me think anyone can make a living of starcraft brood war, with some luck and dedication. I'm not saying it's easy, just that there's obviously interest if done right. | ||
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[JXSA].Zergling
China186 Posts
In addition to receiving the support of the audience, China's live broadcast will also sell things during the live broadcast. Just selling things may earn more than 10000 dollars a month. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
although the doting fans who comment on the afreecatv esports tastetosis vods and say they will never watch ASL without tastetosis commentary and treat the nyoken/scan/eonzerg casts as if they don't exist are actually brain damaged in my opinion. | ||
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AncientSion
73 Posts
On March 07 2023 21:19 TMNT wrote: And where is it supposed to go? The money goes where the payers want it to go. If you think that Artosis and Tasteless earning 9.500 $ every months for casting english ASL on top of their sponsorships, their ad revenue and their subscription cuts while BSL and StarcastTV are struggling to even break even is fine, i dont know what to tell you. Just let it sink in, 9.500 $ each month. For what, not worth it that in my opinion. On March 07 2023 22:38 whylessness wrote: TMNT has it right. tasteless and artosis have been casting starcraft together for more than ten years... although the doting fans who comment on the afreecatv esports tastetosis vods and say they will never watch ASL without tastetosis commentary and treat the nyoken/scan/eonzerg casts as if they don't exist are actually brain damaged in my opinion. I would put "respect" on their name if they forwarded a tiny portion of their insanely huge income to StarcastTV and or BSL but i cant remember any donation from their end to the last 10 BSL seasons, especially not one that stands out in context to their obscene income. Of course i cant force them but i sure as hell wont give "respect" to their name LOL. I clearly remember when they opened the Patreon for the english ASL cast and made, i think it was 55.000 $ and then delivered their "cast" 8 weeks later. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
On March 07 2023 22:57 AncientSion wrote: If you think that Artosis and Tasteless earning 9.500 $ every months for casting english ASL on top of their sponsorships, their ad revenue and their subscription cuts while BSL and StarcastTV are struggling to even break even is fine, i dont know what to tell you. Just let it sink in, 9.500 $ each month. For what, not worth it that in my opinion. I would put "respect" on their name if they forwarded a tiny portion of their insanely huge income to StarcastTV and or BSL but i cant remember any donation from their end to the last 10 BSL seasons, especially not one that stands out in context to their obscene income. Of course i cant force them but i sure as hell wont give "respect" to their name LOL. I clearly remember when they opened the Patreon for the english ASL cast and made, i think it was 55.000 $ and then delivered their "cast" 8 weeks later. you seem upset. why on earth would tasteless/artosis donate money fans crowdfunded for them to cast ASL to BSL? that makes zero sense. the money is theirs and theirs alone and they have zero obligation to support BSL. | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden535 Posts
On March 07 2023 23:07 whylessness wrote: you seem upset. why on earth would tasteless/artosis donate money fans crowdfunded for them to cast ASL to BSL? that makes zero sense. the money is theirs and theirs alone and they have zero obligation to support BSL. you seem stupid. why one earth would anyone donate money they make from working hard? that makes zero sense. the money is theirs and theirs alone and they have zero obligation to support BSL. /s | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
TL.net in a nutshell. | ||
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ash.]Rancor[
Germany30 Posts
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TMNT
3147 Posts
On March 07 2023 22:57 AncientSion wrote: If you think that Artosis and Tasteless earning 9.500 $ every months for casting english ASL on top of their sponsorships, their ad revenue and their subscription cuts while BSL and StarcastTV are struggling to even break even is fine, i dont know what to tell you. Just let it sink in, 9.500 $ each month. For what, not worth it that in my opinion. Nah you still don't get it. They earn that much every month not just because of them casting English ASL. It's because they came to Korea 15 years ago and worked their ass off since, and in the process built themselves a solid fanbase. BSL and SCTV haven't gotten to that point yet. Honestly I don't know if they ever can, because the timing is not right, the scene is not that active, and the demand is certainly not the same... I would put "respect" on their name if they forwarded a tiny portion of their insanely huge income to StarcastTV and or BSL but i cant remember any donation from their end to the last 10 BSL seasons, especially not one that stands out in context to their obscene income. Of course i cant force them but i sure as hell wont give "respect" to their name LOL. I clearly remember when they opened the Patreon for the english ASL cast and made, i think it was 55.000 $ and then delivered their "cast" 8 weeks later. And this line of thinking is just silly. This is the equivalent of complaing about someone buying a Rolex instead of donating to the children lol. Also the money is not that obsecene when you consider they have to pay their production crew as well and then divide it among themselves. It's really the basic income for one person with a normal job in SK, maybe a bit low for Seoul even. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On March 08 2023 00:02 TMNT wrote: Nah you still don't get it. They earn that much every month not just because of them casting English ASL. It's because they came to Korea 15 years ago and worked their ass off since, and in the process built themselves a solid fanbase. BSL and SCTV haven't gotten to that point yet. Honestly I don't know if they ever can, because the timing is not right, the scene is not that active, and the demand is certainly not the same... And this line of thinking is just silly. This is the equivalent of complaing about someone buying a Rolex instead of donating to the children lol. Also the money is not that obsecene when you consider they have to pay their production crew as well and then divide it among themselves. It's really the basic income for one person with a normal job in SK, maybe a bit low for Seoul even. I don't really understand why Tasteless and Artosis are even discussion points. There are several people who take an interest in Brood War who could single-handedly pay ZZZero's salary out of pocket. No one should hate them for not taking an interest in BSL... Or at least, if you do hate them, keep it to yourself. On March 07 2023 23:50 GeckoXp wrote: Does anyone realize that this discussion is about an assumption of a random person and so far nothing has been said by BSL officials or ZZZero? TL.net in a nutshell. Also, this ^ | ||
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AncientSion
73 Posts
On March 07 2023 23:50 GeckoXp wrote: Does anyone realize that this discussion is about an assumption of a random person and so far nothing has been said by BSL officials or ZZZero? TL.net in a nutshell. This is true | ||
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ox.tQ
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