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On March 11 2023 03:25 Hawk2 wrote:
South America invites Europe and NA to their events.
North America invites Europe and SA to their events
Europe invites China, NA, and SA to their events.
China invites no one, and how dare you ask for an invite.
I remember early on when I noted the unfairness of allowing Chinese players in BSL, when Chinese tournaments don't allow foreigners in their tournaments, there was a guy who raged out at me for it in the BSL discord. The guy then lied and said that China had no online only tournaments (lol).
The whole situation is ridiculous on its face.
+1 to this. Always thought this is a very valid point.
It is kind of disgusting and makes me want to watch BSL less, ngl.
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Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs.
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On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs.
which exact tournaments did the chinese play? I don't really remember that at all, tbh.
they were always doing their own stuff, except PGL and IEF
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On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs.
I know you mean NA qualifier but "our World Cyber Games" sounds funny...
Isn't the fact of the matter that some1 will have to play vs korean pro eventually in the WCG?
So what does it matter if it's earlier or later in the tournament?
Isn't the ability to play koreans in low lag conditions precisely the thing that would improve foreigners?
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On March 11 2023 03:25 Hawk2 wrote:
South America invites Europe and NA to their events.
North America invites Europe and SA to their events
Europe invites China, NA, and SA to their events.
China invites no one, and how dare you ask for an invite.
I remember early on when I noted the unfairness of allowing Chinese players in BSL, when Chinese tournaments don't allow foreigners in their tournaments, there was a guy who raged out at me for it in the BSL discord. The guy then lied and said that China had no online only tournaments (lol).
The whole situation is ridiculous on its face.
Good point but I don't see players boycotting BSL over this?
To me this says it's not a big enough deal for you.
I think viewers would like to see the best of the best.
So if tournaments in China don't invite foreigners (apart from Koreans who have dominated every single tournament in China they were invited to) then that is a loss for the quality of that tournament in my opinion (in situations where lag would not be a big issue). But it seems it is a big issue. ^_._^
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On March 11 2023 03:25 Hawk2 wrote:
South America invites Europe and NA to their events.
North America invites Europe and SA to their events
Europe invites China, NA, and SA to their events.
China invites no one, and how dare you ask for an invite.
I remember early on when I noted the unfairness of allowing Chinese players in BSL, when Chinese tournaments don't allow foreigners in their tournaments, there was a guy who raged out at me for it in the BSL discord. The guy then lied and said that China had no online only tournaments (lol).
The whole situation is ridiculous on its face.
+1. It holds me back from donating as much as I have in the past tbh
I think this is partly due to Chinese community having poor English.
LATAM is kind of in a similar boat, but the LATAM players make an effort to bring EU/NA viewers into their communities, and their viewers consistently show up for their players at EU/NA events.
Also, what tec27 said re: creating content beyond just high-level gameplay is absolutely true.
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On March 11 2023 18:35 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs. which exact tournaments did the chinese play? I don't really remember that at all, tbh. they were always doing their own stuff, except PGL and IEF
Yeah, you're probably right. They were probably excluded more than I remember. I remember practicing a lot with guys like PJ, LX etc. and I remember them in things like IEF and big international tournaments. I probably just spent more time around them than most and remember them more than they actually were around. I suppose they were excluded from most stuff like TSL etc. now that I think about it.
Truth is though, they never felt broken. It was just the Koreans that felt like they were on a different universe.
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On March 11 2023 20:45 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs. I know you mean NA qualifier but "our World Cyber Games" sounds funny... Isn't the fact of the matter that some1 will have to play vs korean pro eventually in the WCG? So what does it matter if it's earlier or later in the tournament? Isn't the ability to play koreans in low lag conditions precisely the thing that would improve foreigners?
Well, when I say our WCG, it truly felt like our WCG. Each country had their own WCG entity that was in charge of that country's process with their own budget etc. It was the biggest tournament for foreigners and foreigners trained especially for their WCG National Tournament each and every year.
As far as WCG USA would go, there were very few surprises as to whom would get through regional qualifiers and be there in the national finals each year and we were generally all friends and knew each other super well. IdrA, Day9, iNcontroL, Nyoken, Artosis, Nony, LzGaMeR, etc. were all staples of the national finals and that tournament was our WCG and what we competed for. No one thought they'd win the workd finals of WCG. That always went to the Koreans. Always. But to be able to say you were #1 on your country and a National Champion. That is what most of us really played for. At least, that's what I played for.
The thing I'm most proud of from my StarCraft career was winning WCG USA (especially after getting close with 2nd and 3rd place finishes the two prior years). Literally, to be able to say that at one point you were the best in your country is a huge source of pride for any gamer, olympic athlete, etc. and if a dude like Bisu decided to go to college in the states and play WCG that year, I wouldn't be able to say that I was a National Champion at something. So yeah, it does matter when you would hit the Korean (imo).
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On March 11 2023 20:45 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs. Isn't the ability to play koreans in low lag conditions precisely the thing that would improve foreigners?
I assume you mean improve the ability for foreigners to win? Truthfully, it wouldn't matter much. Koreans had pro-team houses where the best in the world ate, slept, and trained together non-stop for years. StarCraft was constantly on TV in Korea with 3 cable channels all-in on it. Cities like Seoul had a PC room on every other block. The infrastructure and culture was beyond anything foreigners could replicate, where back in the day as a foreigner, you spent more time trying to organize quality practice games than actually playing them. It was simply not fair.
Let me use trans in MMA as an example (I have nothing against trans people, please don't get upset). In this example, Foreigners would be female MMA fighters and Koreans would be the male MMA fighters. Just as Men have natural advantages like boosted testosterone (literally a human growth hormone) etc., Koreans have natural advantages from their infrastructure and culture. If a Korean, after years of training to be a pro in Korea, hoped into a foreign tournament, it would be like a professional male MMA hoping into a professional female MMA league and beating the literal shit out of every woman because those natural advantages are literally just unfair.
You'll have foreigners win here and there in StarCraft. Hell, I beat a former #1 in the world Korean in an offline tournament once, but there was no way in hell I'm better than him and there's no way in hell foreigners would win vs Koreans consistently. It just was a different level.
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Which Korean pro or semi-pro gamer went to the US and played WCG though?
You seem to elaborate your thoughts a lot on this matter but as far as I know there was literally none (and none of them went to college anyway for that matter). Seems like too much fuss over a hypothetical situation.
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On March 12 2023 03:14 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 20:45 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs. I know you mean NA qualifier but "our World Cyber Games" sounds funny... Isn't the fact of the matter that some1 will have to play vs korean pro eventually in the WCG? So what does it matter if it's earlier or later in the tournament? Isn't the ability to play koreans in low lag conditions precisely the thing that would improve foreigners? Well, when I say our WCG, it truly felt like our WCG. Each country had their own WCG entity that was in charge of that country's process with their own budget etc. It was the biggest tournament for foreigners and foreigners trained especially for their WCG National Tournament each and every year. As far as WCG USA would go, there were very few surprises as to whom would get through regional qualifiers and be there in the national finals each year and we were generally all friends and knew each other super well. IdrA, Day9, iNcontroL, Nyoken, Artosis, Nony, LzGaMeR, etc. were all staples of the national finals and that tournament was our WCG and what we competed for. No one thought they'd win the workd finals of WCG. That always went to the Koreans. Always. But to be able to say you were #1 on your country and a National Champion. That is what most of us really played for. At least, that's what I played for. The thing I'm most proud of from my StarCraft career was winning WCG USA (especially after getting close with 2nd and 3rd place finishes the two prior years). Literally, to be able to say that at one point you were the best in your country is a huge source of pride for any gamer, olympic athlete, etc. and if a dude like Bisu decided to go to college in the states and play WCG that year, I wouldn't be able to say that I was a National Champion at something. So yeah, it does matter when you would hit the Korean (imo).
I checked and from 2003 to 2010 there wasn't a single korean in the US qualifiers and the Pan-American  World Cyber Games
Which leaves 2000, 2001 and 2002 which I can't find info on for korean nationals to have won em (at worst be 3 vs 8).
But I get your point and that should be expressed by the players to the organizers.
I see there were good monetary prizes too which should not be discounted either.
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On March 12 2023 03:37 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 20:45 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs. Isn't the ability to play koreans in low lag conditions precisely the thing that would improve foreigners? I assume you mean improve the ability for foreigners to win? Truthfully, it wouldn't matter much. Koreans had pro-team houses where the best in the world ate, slept, and trained together non-stop for years. StarCraft was constantly on TV in Korea with 3 cable channels all-in on it. Cities like Seoul had a PC room on every other block. The infrastructure and culture was beyond anything foreigners could replicate, where back in the day as a foreigner, you spent more time trying to organize quality practice games than actually playing them. It was simply not fair. Let me use trans in MMA as an example (I have nothing against trans people, please don't get upset). In this example, Foreigners would be female MMA fighters and Koreans would be the male MMA fighters. Just as Men have natural advantages like boosted testosterone (literally a human growth hormone) etc., Koreans have natural advantages from their infrastructure and culture. If a Korean, after years of training to be a pro in Korea, hoped into a foreign tournament, it would be like a professional male MMA hoping into a professional female MMA league and beating the literal shit out of every woman because those natural advantages are literally just unfair. You'll have foreigners win here and there in StarCraft. Hell, I beat a former #1 in the world Korean in an offline tournament once, but there was no way in hell I'm better than him and there's no way in hell foreigners would win vs Koreans consistently. It just was a different level.
I don't think it's a good comparison first of all. I think if foreigners were put in the same conditions as koreans they would perform the same. I think any infrastructure and culture can be overcome in reasonably short time. While I think genetical predisposition would be harder to overcome but I haven't done the research or scientific studies on either I gotta admit (if you were wondering kek).
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On March 12 2023 04:56 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2023 03:14 G5 wrote:On March 11 2023 20:45 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs. I know you mean NA qualifier but "our World Cyber Games" sounds funny... Isn't the fact of the matter that some1 will have to play vs korean pro eventually in the WCG? So what does it matter if it's earlier or later in the tournament? Isn't the ability to play koreans in low lag conditions precisely the thing that would improve foreigners? Well, when I say our WCG, it truly felt like our WCG. Each country had their own WCG entity that was in charge of that country's process with their own budget etc. It was the biggest tournament for foreigners and foreigners trained especially for their WCG National Tournament each and every year. As far as WCG USA would go, there were very few surprises as to whom would get through regional qualifiers and be there in the national finals each year and we were generally all friends and knew each other super well. IdrA, Day9, iNcontroL, Nyoken, Artosis, Nony, LzGaMeR, etc. were all staples of the national finals and that tournament was our WCG and what we competed for. No one thought they'd win the workd finals of WCG. That always went to the Koreans. Always. But to be able to say you were #1 on your country and a National Champion. That is what most of us really played for. At least, that's what I played for. The thing I'm most proud of from my StarCraft career was winning WCG USA (especially after getting close with 2nd and 3rd place finishes the two prior years). Literally, to be able to say that at one point you were the best in your country is a huge source of pride for any gamer, olympic athlete, etc. and if a dude like Bisu decided to go to college in the states and play WCG that year, I wouldn't be able to say that I was a National Champion at something. So yeah, it does matter when you would hit the Korean (imo). I checked and from 2003 to 2010 there wasn't a single korean in the US qualifiers and the Pan-American World Cyber GamesWhich leaves 2000, 2001 and 2002 which I can't find info on for korean nationals to have won em (at worst be 3 vs 8). But I get your point and that should be expressed by the players to the organizers. I see there were good monetary prizes too which should not be discounted either.
It is just a point I'm making. There definitely have been online "foreign" tournaments that allowed guys like Scan play which ended as you'd expect. As long as the point is clear and makes sense, the rest doesn't really matter I suppose.
With that said though, similar things have happened. I could be wrong (was so long ago) but if I remember correctly, LastGosu was a Korean that came to the States. Not even a pro or semi-pro but grew up in that Korea and won WCG USA (2007 maybe?). I remember he was in a group with Nyoken and myself and he won the group then beat Day9 in the finals to win it all, denying Day his 3rd(?) US championship. I liked him, partied with him, and have nothing against the guy. But he was clearly from Korea and came over and beat us all lol.
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On March 11 2023 20:55 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 03:25 Hawk2 wrote:
South America invites Europe and NA to their events.
North America invites Europe and SA to their events
Europe invites China, NA, and SA to their events.
China invites no one, and how dare you ask for an invite.
I remember early on when I noted the unfairness of allowing Chinese players in BSL, when Chinese tournaments don't allow foreigners in their tournaments, there was a guy who raged out at me for it in the BSL discord. The guy then lied and said that China had no online only tournaments (lol).
The whole situation is ridiculous on its face. Good point but I don't see players boycotting BSL over this? To me this says it's not a big enough deal for you. I think viewers would like to see the best of the best. So if tournaments in China don't invite foreigners (apart from Koreans who have dominated every single tournament in China they were invited to) then that is a loss for the quality of that tournament in my opinion (in situations where lag would not be a big issue). But it seems it is a big issue. ^_._^
What about viewers boycotting BSL over this? This thread started about $$$ so we should focus on what the viewers want.
At least for me, I get more enthusiastic watching NA/EU players than Chinese.
1) There are already enough Asian tournaments, I like that BSL have previously focused on NA/EU
2) There's no extra content when watching Chinese players. No interviews or whatever
3) I dislike that we allow their lag but they banned Dewalt over lag
I might be alone with my views. But just to be clear, I have nothing against China. I even have a Chinese wife. I'm just giving my opinion on related to BSL. And since this topic started about $$$‚ we should focus on what the viewers want.
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On March 12 2023 05:17 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2023 04:56 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On March 12 2023 03:14 G5 wrote:On March 11 2023 20:45 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On March 11 2023 18:22 G5 wrote:
Historically, Chinese players have almost always played in Foreign tournaments. PJ, RushGoon, Legend, etc. There's nothing new about it and I've personally never had a problem with it. I've had more of an issue when a Korean pro or semi-pro moved to the States or something for college and then would crush our WCG or get allowed in foreign tournaments because they were living abroad and would proceed to absolutely crush every tournament they played in. That always felt like bullshit to me but whatevs. I know you mean NA qualifier but "our World Cyber Games" sounds funny... Isn't the fact of the matter that some1 will have to play vs korean pro eventually in the WCG? So what does it matter if it's earlier or later in the tournament? Isn't the ability to play koreans in low lag conditions precisely the thing that would improve foreigners? Well, when I say our WCG, it truly felt like our WCG. Each country had their own WCG entity that was in charge of that country's process with their own budget etc. It was the biggest tournament for foreigners and foreigners trained especially for their WCG National Tournament each and every year. As far as WCG USA would go, there were very few surprises as to whom would get through regional qualifiers and be there in the national finals each year and we were generally all friends and knew each other super well. IdrA, Day9, iNcontroL, Nyoken, Artosis, Nony, LzGaMeR, etc. were all staples of the national finals and that tournament was our WCG and what we competed for. No one thought they'd win the workd finals of WCG. That always went to the Koreans. Always. But to be able to say you were #1 on your country and a National Champion. That is what most of us really played for. At least, that's what I played for. The thing I'm most proud of from my StarCraft career was winning WCG USA (especially after getting close with 2nd and 3rd place finishes the two prior years). Literally, to be able to say that at one point you were the best in your country is a huge source of pride for any gamer, olympic athlete, etc. and if a dude like Bisu decided to go to college in the states and play WCG that year, I wouldn't be able to say that I was a National Champion at something. So yeah, it does matter when you would hit the Korean (imo). I checked and from 2003 to 2010 there wasn't a single korean in the US qualifiers and the Pan-American World Cyber GamesWhich leaves 2000, 2001 and 2002 which I can't find info on for korean nationals to have won em (at worst be 3 vs 8). But I get your point and that should be expressed by the players to the organizers. I see there were good monetary prizes too which should not be discounted either. It is just a point I'm making. There definitely have been online "foreign" tournaments that allowed guys like Scan play which ended as you'd expect. As long as the point is clear and makes sense, the rest doesn't really matter I suppose. With that said though, similar things have happened. I could be wrong (was so long ago) but if I remember correctly, LastGosu was a Korean that came to the States. Not even a pro or semi-pro but grew up in that Korea and won WCG USA (2007 maybe?). I remember he was in a group with Nyoken and myself and he won the group then beat Day9 in the finals to win it all, denying Day his 3rd(?) US championship. I liked him, partied with him, and have nothing against the guy. But he was clearly from Korea and came over and beat us all lol.
Yeah I suspected it was LastGosu actually but didn't find anything on him... And they gave him US flag on liquipedia.
I just checked Scan's page and it says Rivalry with Sziky 17 - 26 Scan which I would partially attribute to Tesagi.
The hard question is:
If a foreigner goes to Korea and starts dominating everything and gets banned for it would you support the ban?
I think NOT. ^_._^ But ofc no way to test it (and even if they would have a ban).
Also life is not fair!
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On March 12 2023 05:47 superjoppe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 20:55 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On March 11 2023 03:25 Hawk2 wrote:
South America invites Europe and NA to their events.
North America invites Europe and SA to their events
Europe invites China, NA, and SA to their events.
China invites no one, and how dare you ask for an invite.
I remember early on when I noted the unfairness of allowing Chinese players in BSL, when Chinese tournaments don't allow foreigners in their tournaments, there was a guy who raged out at me for it in the BSL discord. The guy then lied and said that China had no online only tournaments (lol).
The whole situation is ridiculous on its face. Good point but I don't see players boycotting BSL over this? To me this says it's not a big enough deal for you. I think viewers would like to see the best of the best. So if tournaments in China don't invite foreigners (apart from Koreans who have dominated every single tournament in China they were invited to) then that is a loss for the quality of that tournament in my opinion (in situations where lag would not be a big issue). But it seems it is a big issue. ^_._^ What about viewers boycotting BSL over this? This thread started about $$$ so we should focus on what the viewers want. At least for me, I get more enthusiastic watching NA/EU players than Chinese. 1) There are already enough Asian tournaments, I like that BSL have previously focused on NA/EU 2) There's no extra content when watching Chinese players. No interviews or whatever 3) I dislike that we allow their lag but they banned Dewalt over lag I might be alone with my views. But just to be clear, I have nothing against China. I even have a Chinese wife. I'm just giving my opinion on related to BSL. And since this topic started about $$$‚ we should focus on what the viewers want.
And in how many of those tournaments we can see asian vs other players (don't forget SA)?
As a viewer I LOVE having more players get to the top. Bony StarLeague got repetitive after the 4th time... ; D
While I HATE Tesagi wins it's been Pusagi in BSL so it's a welcome change... If we get a Sziky victory that would be amazing!
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On March 11 2023 08:07 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 03:05 TMNT wrote:On March 11 2023 02:24 M3t4PhYzX wrote:On March 11 2023 01:35 TMNT wrote:
I struggle to see the outcry after that Dewalt decision tbh. If it's written in the rule that a player must meet a specific network condition to play then so be it. He was able to play the qualifier when he was in Korea but it's not the case now.
On the other hand BSL is a global tourney which suffers from lag problem already. If you blame the Chinese for lagging BSL then might as well ban NA and SA in the process and it'd become BSL Euro. Don't invite him to play in the first place if you know there can be lag problems and you don't want to deal with that. Banning him because of the lag spikes after he qualifies from the harder region is just fucked up and ruins the integrity of the tournament. Weird that you can't see the clear problem here. But whatever. It's too late to do anything about it anyway. I see it as an unfortunate situation, not bad intention from the organizers (as some are implying). It could be that they invited him when he was in Korea with a view that even when he left, the latency would still be okay. In the end it was not the case. Forfeiting was harsh but letting him play would create another problem with integrity of the tournament as well. There were really no good choices. But what I don't see is the outcry after that decision. Look at Ultra's post for example. As if the Chinese deliberately try to ruin BSL with something BSL already had. Let's be honest here - if it was a chinese or korean player lagging for any reason at that point, he would not get DQed. I'm pretty certain of that. They could have easily rescheduled, as it was done in MANY tournaments for MANY reasons before. If you can't/don't want to deal with lag, don't invite potentially lagging players in the first place. Simple.
You are so biased that you "are certain" of your speculation without firsthand data. In the very same Chinese tournament where Dewalt was forfeited, a Chinese player who qualified, Slytherin, also got his position forfeited due to network latency issue.
When Dewalt was invited, he was in SKorea and had no latency. The assumption was that he would remain in SK throughout the tournament, which didn't turn out to be the case. If he was anywhere else with high latency to begin with, he wouldn't have been invited in the first place.
Like BSL inviting Chinese players, the Chinese scene is interested in inviting foreign players, provided they have low latency. Besides the aforementioned tournament, Dewalt was also invited to several Chinese 4x4 proleagues when he had low latency in SK.
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Im not sure why the focus is vs China now.
If im not mistaken BSL never been this competitive before.
They probably lag the same than does Peru and Chile.
And even if Chinese organizer dont allow foreigners cuz latency.
Is BSL and their admins decisions to allow such thing into their tourney. Im pretty sure those chineses dont wanna play in such lag either and at a terrible time slot. If you think about it they doing BSL a favor. (didnt Mihu donate his prizes ? )
I honestly think BSL never been this big and competitive but some viewers and it seems some players hate it.
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Lol okay so there was also a Chinese player who moved to Japan (which probably still has better latency to China than Kazakhstan) who was disqualified because he didn't meet the network demand.
Their tournament their rules. Applied to everyone.
I guess some people can stop being salty now.
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for Chinese players in the foreign scene, there were a lot in WGTour as well, CL, ladder and cups. ToT had chinese players, I had fengzi and chinaTT in my team too for a while. BWCL same (and still ok though it was a niche case for the longest time). We had the taiwanese too (sen was amazing), I even admined nation wars vs China.
For most leagues and competition the limit was whether you were in a pro environment. So PJ for instance was a grey area, Ret/Idra/NonY too. But there were so few it wasnt worth tweaking the rules, better have such players in and keep practicing/playing in our community.
With the death of Kespa-led tournaments that easy distinction died and now it is not so easy as it once was.
Now you could argue a lot of chinese players are, in effect, pro: well paid salary in well paid competition in chinese pro teams.
Rules might need updating for sure and it s good to have those discussions, but without the conspiracy theories please.
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