On July 03 2021 18:12 KameZerg wrote: being a pump and dump scammer and encouraging people (huge audience) to participate (lose all their invested money) is worse than a match fixer which takes some money under the table from a broker to throw a game but what savior did was worse than being a matchfixer because he also acted as the broker between betters and gamers.
youve been spewing the same shit since page 1. amazing how after 7 pages of new information you keep saying the same thing. ladies and gentlemen, this is exhibit A of the tl equivalent to the korean netizens on an unreasonable witchhunt.
You mean new information like his first announcements being lies?
Anyways, Flash is 100% guilty of marketing a shady cryptocurrency to his friends and fans while hiding his conflict of interest. Flash is 100% guilty of lying about the situations in his first messages. Whether malicious intend was involved or not is unclear and we will probably never find out.
Flash has been in Brood War since he was a young kid. Investing and crypto currency is not a straight forward concept and while he should definitely be criticized for lying and backpedaling, it is hard for me not to have some sympathy for someone who probably doesn't really have the life skills to do anything but BW. I especially get this feeling from Flash, however this is definitely just conjecture on my part. I can give the benefit of the doubt that the intent wasn't malicious, especially because of incidents like the matchfixing scandal. The idea that someone like Flash would think that he could risk such a scandal seems crazy to me, it seems more likely to me that he didn't realize that it was wrong until the facts came out and then he panicked and tried to mitigate the damage.
I don't know if this matters to Korean fans, Flash's reactions might be something that some can sympathize with, but he definitely made mistakes and at best lied about the situation when he found out it was wrong. I just don't think this is comparable to Savior because the moral boundaries crossed by Savior are obvious and inherent to the lifestyle they were in. However, I do have sympathy for any of these kids that came up in that team-house environment, even for Savior to some degree. These are people who were abused and overworked in their formative years. I don't think that gets considered enough when we judge these players on a personal level. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to support Flash after this, but I get sad when I see vitriol or messages with a hateful tone, especially in this case where there is reasonable ambiguity as to whether Flash was intentionally malicious or incredibly naïve.
I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
On July 03 2021 21:45 Bijan wrote: Flash has been in Brood War since he was a young kid. Investing and crypto currency is not a straight forward concept and while he should definitely be criticized for lying and backpedaling, it is hard for me not to have some sympathy for someone who probably doesn't really have the life skills to do anything but BW. I especially get this feeling from Flash, however this is definitely just conjecture on my part. I can give the benefit of the doubt that the intent wasn't malicious, especially because of incidents like the matchfixing scandal. The idea that someone like Flash would think that he could risk such a scandal seems crazy to me, it seems more likely to me that he didn't realize that it was wrong until the facts came out and then he panicked and tried to mitigate the damage.
I don't know if this matters to Korean fans, Flash's reactions might be something that some can sympathize with, but he definitely made mistakes and at best lied about the situation when he found out it was wrong. I just don't think this is comparable to Savior because the moral boundaries crossed by Savior are obvious and inherent to the lifestyle they were in. However, I do have sympathy for any of these kids that came up in that team-house environment, even for Savior to some degree. These are people who were abused and overworked in their formative years. I don't think that gets considered enough when we judge these players on a personal level. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to support Flash after this, but I get sad when I see vitriol or messages with a hateful tone, especially in this case where there is reasonable ambiguity as to whether Flash was intentionally malicious or incredibly naïve.
Good post, I agree.
Also when you are the best sc player in the world and you have a life people can only dream of, you’re bound to have jealous people wanting you to fail, and they “expect” more from a person having this lifestyle of abundance that they don’t.
In the end he’s just a person that might have done something stupid without thinking it through and until the facts are in, he should in my opinion be given the benefit of the doubt.
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
Because i also didnt read every post on here and im sure kcm's word should be something new for you.
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
It seems well enough documented here, I completely understand why people are upset. Flash definitely did some unsavory things and explicitly lied. When you get caught in a lie (or multiple in this case), you can't be surprised when people expect the worse intentions.
It should also be noted that lots of creators are unaware of how dangerous parasocial relationships can be, but that ignorance is not an excuse. Streamers and content creators need to be very careful when they promote anything, whether it be crypto currency or a device that shaves your private areas. Anyone with a large fanbase should understand that there will be a significant number of people who are susceptible to the slightest suggestion from their favorite creator. The fact that there is anything shady behind the scenes given this context has far more serious consequences.
I won't pretend that my previously stated opinions are not based in wanting to be sympathetic and in believing that we are dealing with possibly emotionally and socially stunted adults, but that doesn't change the fact that there will (and should) be consequences for their actions. The fact that they make so much money directly from their fans can possibly make this more upsetting for those fans directly affected. I just just wish there would be less direct hate slung towards Flash when, so far, I still believe he was likely being incredibly stupid and careless. But I can't tell people not to feel how they feel, I can only offer the reasonings for why I might be sympathetic at this current point in time.
There is definitely a justified reason to be upset with Flash.
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
Because i also didnt read every post on here and im sure kcm's word should be something new for you.
It's not actually. It was mentioned before in this thread that KCM has said that.
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
It seems well enough documented here, I completely understand why people are upset. Flash definitely did some unsavory things and explicitly lied. When you get caught in a lie (or multiple in this case), you can't be surprised when people expect the worse intentions.
It should also be noted that lots of creators are unaware of how dangerous parasocial relationships can be, but that ignorance is not an excuse. Streamers and content creators need to be very careful when they promote anything, whether it be crypto currency or a device that shaves your private areas. Anyone with a large fanbase should understand that there will be a significant number of people who are susceptible to the slightest suggestion from their favorite creator. The fact that there is anything shady behind the scenes given this context has far more serious consequences.
I won't pretend that my previously stated opinions are not based in wanting to be sympathetic and in believing that we are dealing with possibly emotionally and socially stunted adults, but that doesn't change the fact that there will (and should) be consequences for their actions. The fact that they make so much money directly from their fans can possibly make this more upsetting for those fans directly affected. I just just wish there would be less direct hate slung towards Flash when, so far, I still believe he was likely being incredibly stupid and careless. But I can't tell people not to feel how they feel, I can only offer the reasonings for why I might be sympathetic at this current point in time.
There is definitely a justified reason to be upset with Flash.
I don't buy this whole stunted/socially inept version of these players. Especially the top pro-gamers who've made a lot of money ever since the Kespa era. Money brings a lot of freedom, and if found in the hands of a reasonable person (even if young) they can be of great help rather than the portrayal of deer in the headlights you're putting together here.
This notion that someone that goes the normal route of life to be a more well-rounded individual is pure bs. I'd argue that someone that has earned a decent amount of money very early and has tried to start a small business for example (small restaurant...whatever) has more 'life' experience than a 9-to-5 drone that hasn't taken any risks in their life.
The dynamics of the situation here for Flash are that he estranged his fan-base which is his main active source of income by grooming this new coin onto their eyes and he betrayed his close friends by involving them into this new startup by not knowing the investors and the people around it well enough.
Is he a liar? For sure. Is he an asshole for putting his friends' money at risk? Many would say yes.
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
Because i also didnt read every post on here and im sure kcm's word should be something new for you.
It's not actually. It was mentioned before in this thread that KCM has said that.
If you've read the thread I can't see how you don't understand the issue. There's not really any ambiguity as to why this is a problem, the only question is how malicious Flash's intents were. But your intent doesn't necessarily absolve you from the consequences. I also doubt that many people in this thread give money directly to Flash via his stream, and that will affect your emotions as these Korean fans have been directly supporting Flash and now feel betrayed.
Edit: I just read your above response so I do realize that you understand the situation better than I thought. We also can't say that it isn't criminal unless you are aware of Korean laws regarding this.
2nd Edit:
"I don't buy this whole stunted/socially inept version of these players. Especially the top pro-gamers who've made a lot of money ever since the Kespa era. Money brings a lot of freedom, and if found in the hands of a reasonable person (even if young) they can be of great help rather than the portrayal of deer in the headlights you're putting together here."
Flash was what, 15 when he started playing BW? From most accounts of those team houses, they were horrible environments to grow up in. You may not buy that argument, it certainly doesn't mean they are absolved of consequences, but I think it's wrong to not consider the effect that lifestyle has on children and young adults.
This sounds like a failed version of the crypto scams Western influencers have been pulling. Most recently notable the FaZe gaming clan: https://www.pcgamer.com/faze-clan-kicks-one-member-suspends-three-more-over-crypto-scam/ A pretty thorough initial look at the situation: Also I'm a bit confused with the take that Flash is a victim and was swindled here... Have the current reports not been saying that he is not really directly 'invested' but instead has a contract for a certain amount of coin with a guarantee on initial deposit back? This is how the Western crypto scams have been operating as well. Coin/Token makers paying them in tokens to promote the coin and mention they are in it and then they immediately dump it when it goes live.
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
Because i also didnt read every post on here and im sure kcm's word should be something new for you.
It's not actually. It was mentioned before in this thread that KCM has said that.
2nd Edit:
"I don't buy this whole stunted/socially inept version of these players. Especially the top pro-gamers who've made a lot of money ever since the Kespa era. Money brings a lot of freedom, and if found in the hands of a reasonable person (even if young) they can be of great help rather than the portrayal of deer in the headlights you're putting together here."
Flash was what, 15 when he started playing BW? From most accounts of those team houses, they were horrible environments to grow up in. You may not buy that argument, it certainly doesn't mean they are absolved of consequences, but I think it's wrong to not consider the effect that lifestyle has on children and young adults.
Ehhhh, allow me to be a bit skeptical about that.
I would think someone that hustles around the streets and has to work for a living at that age is far worse of an upbringing than having to wake up early in the morning to work out and then play a video game for the rest of the day for more money than their parents made in their lifetimes.
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
It seems well enough documented here, I completely understand why people are upset. Flash definitely did some unsavory things and explicitly lied. When you get caught in a lie (or multiple in this case), you can't be surprised when people expect the worse intentions.
It should also be noted that lots of creators are unaware of how dangerous parasocial relationships can be, but that ignorance is not an excuse. Streamers and content creators need to be very careful when they promote anything, whether it be crypto currency or a device that shaves your private areas. Anyone with a large fanbase should understand that there will be a significant number of people who are susceptible to the slightest suggestion from their favorite creator. The fact that there is anything shady behind the scenes given this context has far more serious consequences.
I won't pretend that my previously stated opinions are not based in wanting to be sympathetic and in believing that we are dealing with possibly emotionally and socially stunted adults, but that doesn't change the fact that there will (and should) be consequences for their actions. The fact that they make so much money directly from their fans can possibly make this more upsetting for those fans directly affected. I just just wish there would be less direct hate slung towards Flash when, so far, I still believe he was likely being incredibly stupid and careless. But I can't tell people not to feel how they feel, I can only offer the reasonings for why I might be sympathetic at this current point in time.
There is definitely a justified reason to be upset with Flash.
I don't buy this whole stunted/socially inept version of these players. Especially the top pro-gamers who've made a lot of money ever since the Kespa era. Money brings a lot of freedom, and if found in the hands of a reasonable person (even if young) they can be of great help rather than the portrayal of deer in the headlights you're putting together here.
This notion that someone that goes the normal route of life to be a more well-rounded individual is pure bs. I'd argue that someone that has earned a decent amount of money very early and has tried to start a small business for example (small restaurant...whatever) has more 'life' experience than a 9-to-5 drone that hasn't taken any risks in their life.
The dynamics of the situation here for Flash are that he estranged his fan-base which is his main active source of income by grooming this new coin onto their eyes and he betrayed his close friends by involving them into this new startup by not knowing the investors and the people around it well enough.
Is he a liar? For sure. Is he an asshole for putting his friends' money at risk? Many would say yes.
Is he a criminal? Fuck no. Savior is.
This is normally a crime when its non coin related transactions such as stock. Flash got lucky this is just a coin that has not seen much regulations in korea. What flash did is arguably worse than savior. He was about to send possily hundres of his fans to commit suicide from losing their entire money lol.
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
It seems well enough documented here, I completely understand why people are upset. Flash definitely did some unsavory things and explicitly lied. When you get caught in a lie (or multiple in this case), you can't be surprised when people expect the worse intentions.
It should also be noted that lots of creators are unaware of how dangerous parasocial relationships can be, but that ignorance is not an excuse. Streamers and content creators need to be very careful when they promote anything, whether it be crypto currency or a device that shaves your private areas. Anyone with a large fanbase should understand that there will be a significant number of people who are susceptible to the slightest suggestion from their favorite creator. The fact that there is anything shady behind the scenes given this context has far more serious consequences.
I won't pretend that my previously stated opinions are not based in wanting to be sympathetic and in believing that we are dealing with possibly emotionally and socially stunted adults, but that doesn't change the fact that there will (and should) be consequences for their actions. The fact that they make so much money directly from their fans can possibly make this more upsetting for those fans directly affected. I just just wish there would be less direct hate slung towards Flash when, so far, I still believe he was likely being incredibly stupid and careless. But I can't tell people not to feel how they feel, I can only offer the reasonings for why I might be sympathetic at this current point in time.
There is definitely a justified reason to be upset with Flash.
I don't buy this whole stunted/socially inept version of these players. Especially the top pro-gamers who've made a lot of money ever since the Kespa era. Money brings a lot of freedom, and if found in the hands of a reasonable person (even if young) they can be of great help rather than the portrayal of deer in the headlights you're putting together here.
This notion that someone that goes the normal route of life to be a more well-rounded individual is pure bs. I'd argue that someone that has earned a decent amount of money very early and has tried to start a small business for example (small restaurant...whatever) has more 'life' experience than a 9-to-5 drone that hasn't taken any risks in their life.
The dynamics of the situation here for Flash are that he estranged his fan-base which is his main active source of income by grooming this new coin onto their eyes and he betrayed his close friends by involving them into this new startup by not knowing the investors and the people around it well enough.
Is he a liar? For sure. Is he an asshole for putting his friends' money at risk? Many would say yes.
Is he a criminal? Fuck no. Savior is.
This is normally a crime when its non coin related transactions such as stock. Flash got lucky this is just a coin that has not seen much regulations in korea. What flash did is arguably worse than savior. He was about to send possily hundres of his fans to commit suicide from losing their entire money lol.
ummm except you cant prove it was a pump and dump scheme? even if you could you cant prove that flash knew about it when he made the investment. theres no evidence of flash promoting this coin on his stream and this coin hasnt been purchased by anyone, therefore no one suffered any losses. saying "im investing in crypto" is not the same as "im investing in this new coin called TO coin that is yet to be released". your entire last sentence is speculative at best and defamatory at worst
On July 03 2021 18:12 KameZerg wrote: being a pump and dump scammer and encouraging people (huge audience) to participate (lose all their invested money) is worse than a match fixer which takes some money under the table from a broker to throw a game but what savior did was worse than being a matchfixer because he also acted as the broker between betters and gamers.
youve been spewing the same shit since page 1. amazing how after 7 pages of new information you keep saying the same thing. ladies and gentlemen, this is exhibit A of the tl equivalent to the korean netizens on an unreasonable witchhunt.
haha dont be inlove with flash, he knew what he was doing and it's clear as blue. I'm in crypto for a long time, it's textbook scheme that only greedy newbies fall for and the guy who paid him was hoping to lure his naive viewers.
On July 03 2021 18:12 KameZerg wrote: being a pump and dump scammer and encouraging people (huge audience) to participate (lose all their invested money) is worse than a match fixer which takes some money under the table from a broker to throw a game but what savior did was worse than being a matchfixer because he also acted as the broker between betters and gamers.
youve been spewing the same shit since page 1. amazing how after 7 pages of new information you keep saying the same thing. ladies and gentlemen, this is exhibit A of the tl equivalent to the korean netizens on an unreasonable witchhunt.
haha dont be inlove with flash, he knew what he was doing and it's clear as blue. I'm in crypto for a long time, it's textbook scheme that only greedy newbies fall for and the guy who paid him was hoping to lure his naive viewers.
exactly, the other guy is like loyal flash fan it seems. I also thought flash was innocent but after seeing tape records, all the lies, and backtracking it's safe to say flash knew what was going on
On July 03 2021 22:26 LaStScan wrote: I feel like non-korean speakers are not understanding everything about this bitcoin scandal.(neither do i, but i think i know more information)
People in korea turned their back and hate flash, bisu, other streamers. Flash's first 2 announcements were false information, couple people released recorded voice of their conversation. Fans were shocked when they even try to come back to stream again after things are settled.(you guys should know they make tons of money on stream) flash was also doing some advertisement about the investment in the past and it has connection to the bitcoin. Youtuber 뻑가 summarized on his recent video and some people summarized on ygosu community so you guys can look it up
KCM also said on his youtube live chat "they stabbed their fan's back + worse than savior"
Lastly, don't ask about my opinion.
People shouldn't jump to conclusions because they don't know all the details because of the language barrier, however you didn't present any new information yourself? What?
Because i also didnt read every post on here and im sure kcm's word should be something new for you.
It's not actually. It was mentioned before in this thread that KCM has said that.
If you've read the thread I can't see how you don't understand the issue. There's not really any ambiguity as to why this is a problem, the only question is how malicious Flash's intents were. But your intent doesn't necessarily absolve you from the consequences. I also doubt that many people in this thread give money directly to Flash via his stream, and that will affect your emotions as these Korean fans have been directly supporting Flash and now feel betrayed.
Edit: I just read your above response so I do realize that you understand the situation better than I thought. We also can't say that it isn't criminal unless you are aware of Korean laws regarding this.
2nd Edit:
"I don't buy this whole stunted/socially inept version of these players. Especially the top pro-gamers who've made a lot of money ever since the Kespa era. Money brings a lot of freedom, and if found in the hands of a reasonable person (even if young) they can be of great help rather than the portrayal of deer in the headlights you're putting together here."
Flash was what, 15 when he started playing BW? From most accounts of those team houses, they were horrible environments to grow up in. You may not buy that argument, it certainly doesn't mean they are absolved of consequences, but I think it's wrong to not consider the effect that lifestyle has on children and young adults.
I think this idea that they are stunted would've worked much better if they were still living in teamhouses and competing there. Flash has been around and living on his own (afaik) since he came back to BW so say 2017. That's 4 years where he's had a chance to live and learn stuff as he goes along. Not to mention that Shinokuki posted that Flash has apparently been involved in Cryptos for years now and considers himself a "guru" so that lends more credence to the fact that something fishy is going on if an apparent "guru" could not spot a pump and dump when he got personally involved.
On July 03 2021 18:12 KameZerg wrote: being a pump and dump scammer and encouraging people (huge audience) to participate (lose all their invested money) is worse than a match fixer which takes some money under the table from a broker to throw a game but what savior did was worse than being a matchfixer because he also acted as the broker between betters and gamers.
youve been spewing the same shit since page 1. amazing how after 7 pages of new information you keep saying the same thing. ladies and gentlemen, this is exhibit A of the tl equivalent to the korean netizens on an unreasonable witchhunt.
haha dont be inlove with flash, he knew what he was doing and it's clear as blue. I'm in crypto for a long time, it's textbook scheme that only greedy newbies fall for and the guy who paid him was hoping to lure his naive viewers.
exactly, the other guy is like loyal flash fan it seems. I also thought flash was innocent but after seeing tape records, all the lies, and backtracking it's safe to say flash knew what was going on
Can you provide links or some translation of these records? It feels like Flash has already been judged based on the evidence available so far in the KR community, but we are missing lots of information. Even a rough translation would be helpful.
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