This is disappointing. I dug around on Ygosu, and it's pretty much impossible to get Flash and others off the hook. For those unaware, there were lots of BJs involved, but the BW ones are Bisu, Flash, Sea, Brittney, and Guemchi. The latter two were already in an unrecoverable image crisis (in short: BDSM jokes about a Korean independence martyr), so I wonder if they're looking for other career avenues. All the sources contain photographic proof, so don't tell me they're hearsay written by angry Korean keyboarders.
2. Flash doesn't regret a goddamn thing There was a recorded conversation between the ex-pros and Suit caught up in this mess. Flash talks about how he and others can recuperate their image to get back to broadcasting. Does this sound like someone who regrets putting their loyal fans' wallets at risk?
3. Hell yes they were paid to advertise the cryptocurrency People seem to be in denial about this, but Suit and the people involved signed a contract that guaranteed some return to the progamers even if the cryptocurrency zeroed out. It's insanity to think Suit would guarantee returns without something in return, the most obvious answer being advertisement. Now why would broadcasters be guaranteed pay and asked to bring up the cryptocurrency on the streams? Why would Flash 'apologize' about the impact his actions would have on the viewers after the truth was found out? I'm legitimately curious what other than a pump and dump scam do some of you think this was.
4. Flash sold out his own mother... Not that this is illegal, but this is really damns Flash's image for me personally. On June 23rd, Flash claimed that his mother put in 200 million Won (~$175,000) after talking with Suit, which is ridiculous for a 28 year old man who makes more in half a year than a common salarymen does in a decade. Of course it's ridiculous, as his future postings (like the one on June 30th in the same link) mysteriously never mention his mother again when the truth about his involvement came out.
5. Flash was the broker beyond the shadow of a doubt Brittney confessed that Flash was the one who did this to start. Remember, Brittney is practically blacklisted due to his previous scandal, and incriminating Flash doesn't make him any less innocent anyhow. Not to mention, Flash's explanation of what happened makes no logical sense. His stance is that he invited popular streamers for drinks, and Suit just happened to call at the right time and joined in, and after some coddling got them on board. First time is maybe a coincidence, but this happened twice when Flash invited other streamers over for drinks. It doesn't take much imagination to see those meetings as being planned well in advance.
TL;DR: They knew exactly what they were doing, and are feigning victimhood to be able to broadcast again.
KCM put it best when he said that these four rose to stardom due to their fans and decided to return the favour with a knife in the back. As a fan of Bisu, I feel a little bad him as he invested a day before the news broke out. That doesn't change the fact that he was smiling at the thought of making millions of Wons off his fans' misery though.
I can't deny that I want to see Bisu and Flash play again, but I hope the fans never forget about this incident.
I love BW with all my heart; but why would any one listen to BW streamers for investment advice? Just buy a S&P 500 index fund and hold, if you don't know shit.
On July 04 2021 09:17 RWLabs wrote: This is disappointing. I dug around on Ygosu, and it's pretty much impossible to get Flash and others off the hook. For those unaware, there were lots of BJs involved, but the BW ones are Bisu, Flash, Sea, Brittney, and Guemchi. The latter two were already in an unrecoverable image crisis (in short: BDSM jokes about a Korean independence martyr), so I wonder if they're looking for other career avenues. All the sources contain photographic proof, so don't tell me they're hearsay written by angry Korean keyboarders.
2. Flash doesn't regret a goddamn thing There was a recorded conversation between the ex-pros and Suit caught up in this mess. Flash talks about how he and others can recuperate their image to get back to broadcasting. Does this sound like someone who regrets putting their loyal fans' wallets at risk?
3. Hell yes they were paid to advertise the cryptocurrency People seem to be in denial about this, but Suit and the people involved signed a contract that guaranteed some return to the progamers even if the cryptocurrency zeroed out. It's insanity to think Suit would guarantee returns without something in return, the most obvious answer being advertisement. Now why would broadcasters be guaranteed pay and asked to bring up the cryptocurrency on the streams? Why would Flash 'apologize' about the impact his actions would have on the viewers after the truth was found out? I'm legitimately curious what other than a pump and dump scam do some of you think this was.
4. Flash sold out his own mother... Not that this is illegal, but this is really damns Flash's image for me personally. On June 23rd, Flash claimed that his mother put in 200 million Won (~$175,000) after talking with Suit, which is ridiculous for a 28 year old man who makes more in half a year than a common salarymen does in a decade. Of course it's ridiculous, as his future postings (like the one on June 30th in the same link) mysteriously never mention his mother again when the truth about his involvement came out.
5. Flash was the broker beyond the shadow of a doubt Brittney confessed that Flash was the one who did this to start. Remember, Brittney is practically blacklisted due to his previous scandal, and incriminating Flash doesn't make him any less innocent anyhow. Not to mention, Flash's explanation of what happened makes no logical sense. His stance is that he invited popular streamers for drinks, and Suit just happened to call at the right time and joined in, and after some coddling got them on board. First time is maybe a coincidence, but this happened twice when Flash invited other streamers over for drinks. It doesn't take much imagination to see those meetings as being planned well in advance.
TL;DR: They knew exactly what they were doing, and are feigning victimhood to be able to broadcast again.
KCM put it best when he said that these four rose to stardom due to their fans and decided to return the favour with a knife in the back. As a fan of Bisu, I feel a little bad him as he invested a day before the news broke out. That doesn't change the fact that he was smiling at the thought of making millions of Wons off his fans' misery though.
I can't deny that I want to see Bisu and Flash play again, but I hope the fans never forget about this incident.
Oof, that is hard not to see as intentionally malicious. What a huge disappointment. And to swindle your friends and colleagues on top of your fans. I'll never understand how greed can drive someone already wealthy to do such things.
I still have the smallest amount of empathy for these players, but I now understand the comparisons to Savior.
3. Hell yes they were paid to advertise the cryptocurrency People seem to be in denial about this, but Suit and the people involved signed a contract that guaranteed some return to the progamers even if the cryptocurrency zeroed out. It's insanity to think Suit would guarantee returns without something in return, the most obvious answer being advertisement. Now why would broadcasters be guaranteed pay and asked to bring up the cryptocurrency on the streams? Why would Flash 'apologize' about the impact his actions would have on the viewers after the truth was found out? I'm legitimately curious what other than a pump and dump scam do some of you think this was.
Now this right here is actual evidence. This is incriminating.
I don't know anything about Korean law but this is sufficient + plus the recordings of when Flash mentioned the currency on stream in most places for a law-suit. And if there are any early adopters there's no reason they shouldn't do it.
Also, depending on how much they knew, other progamers that just brought their money in without any other involvement could sue Flash.
The most I feel kinda sorry for is Bisu since he will be dragged on along with the others while he most likely knew the least and just tagged along afraid to not miss on a bag of money.
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On a personal note, I'm not suprised that Flash and Britney are Grade A assholes. I kind of always suspected it.
On July 04 2021 09:17 RWLabs wrote: I'm legitimately curious what other than a pump and dump scam do some of you think this was.
I mean, is it possible that they just wanted to invest in a coin they thought could actually succeed? Guaranteeing the investment doesn't 100% mean they were going to dump it as they wouldn't necessarily need the guarantee if they were going to wait for it to spike and unload their coin.
However, it is still incredibly bad to not disclose that guarantee as that information would obviously cause many fans to think twice about investing. And it seems that Flash was 100% aware of this throughout the process and wanted to utilize his celebrity status to increase the value of the coin, which I think should be illegal, regardless of whether they planned to dump the coin at some point.
On July 04 2021 09:45 LinYu_roy wrote: I love BW with all my heart; but why would any one listen to BW streamers for investment advice? Just buy a S&P 500 index fund and hold, if you don't know shit.
While I agree that ETFs are the way to go, I think differently. Firstly, even exposure itself is advertisement- this is why companies dump millions to have their products in the background of movie scenes. In this case, this happened while the zeitgeist of the Dogecoin boom was in the air, and even in the West lots of people are anxious to find the next boom. Not to mention that most people aren't too familiar with stocks anyways (especially people who spend money on streamers lmao).
Secondly, BJs make their living through essentially making friends with people online. For example, lots of them refer to their viewers as 형님들 (literally 'older brother', but in Korean culture this is used even without blood ties). To lots of Koreans a BJ isn't just a retard on the screen, but someone you build a relationship with especially/exclusively if you have lots of Star Balloons. Suit himself joined lots of progamers' inner circles this way, to the point of him casually sharing meals with Flash and Bisu. In short, to lots of viewers there's a level of trust as if the BJ is a good friend.
Now combine both factors to think of the effect that this would have. For most people, word of mouth trumps all else- I know I've watched movies with 40% RT ratings because my friends recommended it. It's infuriating that the BJs peddled a coin, fully aware that at least some fans would buy the coin because of what they said, and that they'd make money off emptying said fans' wallets.
On July 04 2021 09:17 RWLabs wrote: This is disappointing. I dug around on Ygosu, and it's pretty much impossible to get Flash and others off the hook. For those unaware, there were lots of BJs involved, but the BW ones are Bisu, Flash, Sea, Brittney, and Guemchi. The latter two were already in an unrecoverable image crisis (in short: BDSM jokes about a Korean independence martyr), so I wonder if they're looking for other career avenues. All the sources contain photographic proof, so don't tell me they're hearsay written by angry Korean keyboarders.
2. Flash doesn't regret a goddamn thing There was a recorded conversation between the ex-pros and Suit caught up in this mess. Flash talks about how he and others can recuperate their image to get back to broadcasting. Does this sound like someone who regrets putting their loyal fans' wallets at risk?
3. Hell yes they were paid to advertise the cryptocurrency People seem to be in denial about this, but Suit and the people involved signed a contract that guaranteed some return to the progamers even if the cryptocurrency zeroed out. It's insanity to think Suit would guarantee returns without something in return, the most obvious answer being advertisement. Now why would broadcasters be guaranteed pay and asked to bring up the cryptocurrency on the streams? Why would Flash 'apologize' about the impact his actions would have on the viewers after the truth was found out? I'm legitimately curious what other than a pump and dump scam do some of you think this was.
4. Flash sold out his own mother... Not that this is illegal, but this is really damns Flash's image for me personally. On June 23rd, Flash claimed that his mother put in 200 million Won (~$175,000) after talking with Suit, which is ridiculous for a 28 year old man who makes more in half a year than a common salarymen does in a decade. Of course it's ridiculous, as his future postings (like the one on June 30th in the same link) mysteriously never mention his mother again when the truth about his involvement came out.
5. Flash was the broker beyond the shadow of a doubt Brittney confessed that Flash was the one who did this to start. Remember, Brittney is practically blacklisted due to his previous scandal, and incriminating Flash doesn't make him any less innocent anyhow. Not to mention, Flash's explanation of what happened makes no logical sense. His stance is that he invited popular streamers for drinks, and Suit just happened to call at the right time and joined in, and after some coddling got them on board. First time is maybe a coincidence, but this happened twice when Flash invited other streamers over for drinks. It doesn't take much imagination to see those meetings as being planned well in advance.
TL;DR: They knew exactly what they were doing, and are feigning victimhood to be able to broadcast again.
KCM put it best when he said that these four rose to stardom due to their fans and decided to return the favour with a knife in the back. As a fan of Bisu, I feel a little bad him as he invested a day before the news broke out. That doesn't change the fact that he was smiling at the thought of making millions of Wons off his fans' misery though.
I can't deny that I want to see Bisu and Flash play again, but I hope the fans never forget about this incident.
Wow, nice job summarizing those details. I think foreigners were missing lot of key infos with good evidence.
On July 04 2021 09:45 LinYu_roy wrote: I love BW with all my heart; but why would any one listen to BW streamers for investment advice? Just buy a S&P 500 index fund and hold, if you don't know shit.
While I agree that ETFs are the way to go, I think differently. Firstly, even exposure itself is advertisement- this is why companies dump millions to have their products in the background of movie scenes. In this case, this happened while the zeitgeist of the Dogecoin boom was in the air, and even in the West lots of people are anxious to find the next boom. Not to mention that most people aren't too familiar with stocks anyways (especially people who spend money on streamers lmao).
Secondly, BJs make their living through essentially making friends with people online. For example, lots of them refer to their viewers as 형님들 (literally 'older brother', but in Korean culture this is used even without blood ties). To lots of Koreans a BJ isn't just a retard on the screen, but someone you build a relationship with especially/exclusively if you have lots of Star Balloons. Suit himself joined lots of progamers' inner circles this way, to the point of him casually sharing meals with Flash and Bisu. In short, to lots of viewers there's a level of trust as if the BJ is a good friend.
Now combine both factors to think of the effect that this would have. For most people, word of mouth trumps all else- I know I've watched movies with 40% RT ratings because my friends recommended it. It's infuriating that the BJs peddled a coin, fully aware that at least some fans would buy the coin because of what they said, and that they'd make money off emptying said fans' wallets.
I get your point, which is a good one.
I guess what I tried to say is that, investing your life savings is different from selecting sodas or shopping T-shirts, you have to always do your own due diligence. You cannot outsource thinking on such matters to others, not your neighbors, not your brothers, let alone some streamers.
On July 04 2021 09:17 RWLabs wrote: This is disappointing. I dug around on Ygosu, and it's pretty much impossible to get Flash and others off the hook. For those unaware, there were lots of BJs involved, but the BW ones are Bisu, Flash, Sea, Brittney, and Guemchi. The latter two were already in an unrecoverable image crisis (in short: BDSM jokes about a Korean independence martyr), so I wonder if they're looking for other career avenues. All the sources contain photographic proof, so don't tell me they're hearsay written by angry Korean keyboarders.
2. Flash doesn't regret a goddamn thing There was a recorded conversation between the ex-pros and Suit caught up in this mess. Flash talks about how he and others can recuperate their image to get back to broadcasting. Does this sound like someone who regrets putting their loyal fans' wallets at risk?
3. Hell yes they were paid to advertise the cryptocurrency People seem to be in denial about this, but Suit and the people involved signed a contract that guaranteed some return to the progamers even if the cryptocurrency zeroed out. It's insanity to think Suit would guarantee returns without something in return, the most obvious answer being advertisement. Now why would broadcasters be guaranteed pay and asked to bring up the cryptocurrency on the streams? Why would Flash 'apologize' about the impact his actions would have on the viewers after the truth was found out? I'm legitimately curious what other than a pump and dump scam do some of you think this was.
4. Flash sold out his own mother... Not that this is illegal, but this is really damns Flash's image for me personally. On June 23rd, Flash claimed that his mother put in 200 million Won (~$175,000) after talking with Suit, which is ridiculous for a 28 year old man who makes more in half a year than a common salarymen does in a decade. Of course it's ridiculous, as his future postings (like the one on June 30th in the same link) mysteriously never mention his mother again when the truth about his involvement came out.
5. Flash was the broker beyond the shadow of a doubt Brittney confessed that Flash was the one who did this to start. Remember, Brittney is practically blacklisted due to his previous scandal, and incriminating Flash doesn't make him any less innocent anyhow. Not to mention, Flash's explanation of what happened makes no logical sense. His stance is that he invited popular streamers for drinks, and Suit just happened to call at the right time and joined in, and after some coddling got them on board. First time is maybe a coincidence, but this happened twice when Flash invited other streamers over for drinks. It doesn't take much imagination to see those meetings as being planned well in advance.
TL;DR: They knew exactly what they were doing, and are feigning victimhood to be able to broadcast again.
KCM put it best when he said that these four rose to stardom due to their fans and decided to return the favour with a knife in the back. As a fan of Bisu, I feel a little bad him as he invested a day before the news broke out. That doesn't change the fact that he was smiling at the thought of making millions of Wons off his fans' misery though.
I can't deny that I want to see Bisu and Flash play again, but I hope the fans never forget about this incident.
Yea when I read those when the news broke out, but ygosu/fmkorea/dcinside does tend to take everything for the worst and selectively pick out sensationalist news, including with flash's ex-gf incident that later turned out to be all fine for flash end, so I took those news with grain of salt
Its all possible that every one of FlaSh's excuses announcements to be true, but way he handled the whole thing was disasterous and small lies/excuses all piled up. Being naive doesnt excuse you from being a big instigator to potential pump and dump scam though.
I personally don't believe FlaSh/Bisu/ect are types of people to risk their entire legacy they built up for past 15 years just for few million in profit when they clearly know the benefit of being decorated starcraft player for future, but rather extremely naive and didn't go in to this thinking this was incredibly good deal to refuse, but the way they handled these announcements and excuses were disappointing and disgusting to say the least. Had they just stepped up and owned up for their mistakes, this wouldn't have been as bad, but these were just disasterous and lost all credibility in my eyes
On July 04 2021 09:17 RWLabs wrote: This is disappointing. I dug around on Ygosu, and it's pretty much impossible to get Flash and others off the hook. For those unaware, there were lots of BJs involved, but the BW ones are Bisu, Flash, Sea, Brittney, and Guemchi. The latter two were already in an unrecoverable image crisis (in short: BDSM jokes about a Korean independence martyr), so I wonder if they're looking for other career avenues. All the sources contain photographic proof, so don't tell me they're hearsay written by angry Korean keyboarders.
2. Flash doesn't regret a goddamn thing There was a recorded conversation between the ex-pros and Suit caught up in this mess. Flash talks about how he and others can recuperate their image to get back to broadcasting. Does this sound like someone who regrets putting their loyal fans' wallets at risk?
3. Hell yes they were paid to advertise the cryptocurrency People seem to be in denial about this, but Suit and the people involved signed a contract that guaranteed some return to the progamers even if the cryptocurrency zeroed out. It's insanity to think Suit would guarantee returns without something in return, the most obvious answer being advertisement. Now why would broadcasters be guaranteed pay and asked to bring up the cryptocurrency on the streams? Why would Flash 'apologize' about the impact his actions would have on the viewers after the truth was found out? I'm legitimately curious what other than a pump and dump scam do some of you think this was.
4. Flash sold out his own mother... Not that this is illegal, but this is really damns Flash's image for me personally. On June 23rd, Flash claimed that his mother put in 200 million Won (~$175,000) after talking with Suit, which is ridiculous for a 28 year old man who makes more in half a year than a common salarymen does in a decade. Of course it's ridiculous, as his future postings (like the one on June 30th in the same link) mysteriously never mention his mother again when the truth about his involvement came out.
5. Flash was the broker beyond the shadow of a doubt Brittney confessed that Flash was the one who did this to start. Remember, Brittney is practically blacklisted due to his previous scandal, and incriminating Flash doesn't make him any less innocent anyhow. Not to mention, Flash's explanation of what happened makes no logical sense. His stance is that he invited popular streamers for drinks, and Suit just happened to call at the right time and joined in, and after some coddling got them on board. First time is maybe a coincidence, but this happened twice when Flash invited other streamers over for drinks. It doesn't take much imagination to see those meetings as being planned well in advance.
TL;DR: They knew exactly what they were doing, and are feigning victimhood to be able to broadcast again.
KCM put it best when he said that these four rose to stardom due to their fans and decided to return the favour with a knife in the back. As a fan of Bisu, I feel a little bad him as he invested a day before the news broke out. That doesn't change the fact that he was smiling at the thought of making millions of Wons off his fans' misery though.
I can't deny that I want to see Bisu and Flash play again, but I hope the fans never forget about this incident.
This was a really good post. It summarized everything so well and gives good counter points to the most common arguments. A must read imo. I feel the worst for Bisu because he just happened to join the day before, but if he had an inkling of this scheme and decided to still go for it, well, I can't say much. It was always interesting that Flash had this squeaky clean image in the scene which was great to see, but to see it reversed almost overnight is just really bizzare.
Either way, I'm not expecting any of them to stream BW any time soon, if ever. Is it possible to get more details about what Brittney and GuemChi spoke about regarding that martyr? Why would they even go that far if they risked being blacklisted? I just hope that ASL and ASTL won't be tainted but it will be interesting to see what Afreeca does. Banning Flash, Bisu, Sea, Brittney and Guemchi from ASL is something I never thought I would see.
On July 04 2021 11:11 LinYu_roy wrote: I get your point, which is a good one.
I guess what I tried to say is that, investing your life savings is different from selecting sodas or shopping T-shirts, you have to always do your own due diligence. You cannot outsource thinking on such matters to others, not your neighbors, not your brothers, let alone some streamers.
I 100% agree with your statement.
On July 04 2021 12:14 BigFan wrote: Either way, I'm not expecting any of them to stream BW any time soon, if ever. Is it possible to get more details about what Brittney and GuemChi spoke about regarding that martyr?
Note that this is a both off topic and morbid, so read at your own discretion.
During the Japanese occupation, there was a political activist named Ryu Gwansun. She and other activists on April 1st 1919 shouted "Hurrah for Korean independence!" in a political demonstration, for which she was apprehended by Japanese authorities. Refusing to admit guilt and after months of torture that broke activists older than her, she died at the age of 17. Since then, she became the symbol of Korean independence.
In May of this year, Guemchi, Brittney, and two female BJs were jokingly talking about BDSM, and Brittney demonstrated what it would look like to be in a spread eagle pose during BDSM, raising both his hands. He then shouted "Hurrah for Korean Independence!", clearly emulating the political activists. It was already a bit fucky for most viewers at this point, but then Guemchi took it one step further and joked "Are you Ryu Gwansun of 2021?" It wasn't until later in the broadcast they realized how grave the situation was, and apologized.
I admit, Koreans are hyper patriotic and uptight. Go out in Seoul and proclaim loudly that Dokdo is Japanese, and you'll find rational English-speaking Koreans willing to go to jail to beat your ass. Still, it was poor judgment to make a sex joke not only about a heroine in Korean culture, but also an underage one at that. The closest comparison in the West would be someone like Anne Frank, though culturally it wasn't a complete outrage when Family Guy made jokes about her. Maybe a better fit would be Joan of Arc for the French? idk
I was so happy about the ASL reaching an all-time high viewership, the rise of two new talents in Mini and Larva, as well as loads of big name non-Starcraft BJs giving BW a try. But this incident and the Coingate shit really gets me. The aftermath is the accused becoming pariahs, yes, but it also paints a horrid picture of BW progamers and BJs to the general Korean audiences.
Big thanks to RWLabs for the breakdown! Very much appreciated since it's so hard to know the facts as a foreigner. The chance of Flash being completely guilty looks to be quite high. There's also no chance that he's completely innocent.
I went back to read about Flash's version of events (post #129 by jinjin5000). According to that, on June 1st Suit asked to join Flash, Sea and Bisu. A few days later on the 6th, Suit met up with Flash again.
This is just to understand the timeline of events better.
On another note (this is just me doing speculation) doesn't this whole thing make Bisu's recent decision to stop streaming look a bit strange? I never bought his reasoning that he felt like he'd be unable to return to form.
On July 04 2021 14:09 Magic Powers wrote: Big thanks to RWLabs for the breakdown! Very much appreciated since it's so hard to know the facts as a foreigner. The chance of Flash being completely guilty looks to be quite high. There's also no chance that he's completely innocent.
I went back to read about Flash's version of events (post #129 by jinjin5000). According to that, on June 1st Suit asked to join Flash, Sea and Bisu. A few days later on the 6th, Suit met up with Flash again.
This is just to understand the timeline of events better.
On another note (this is just me doing speculation) doesn't this whole thing make Bisu's recent decision to stop streaming look a bit strange? I never bought his reasoning that he felt like he'd be unable to return to form.
That's when FlaSh represented a coin trading site called foblgate as its "adviser" (more like sponsor for exposure seems like), and ygosu were calling FlaSh out on "if you worked as advisor for foblgate coin trading site, how do you not know how coin trading worked?"
question was, when he "advised" for foblgate. edit: found it myself
4th july 2019
thank you for the infos and links RWLabs.
edit: i would also like to find out what guemchi has to say about it. if i remember correctly he also managed to be in the "incident" where soulkey lost a lot of money.
edit: i would also like to find out what guemchi has to say about it. if i remember correctly he also managed to be in the "incident" where soulkey lost a lot of money.
July 4th, so that's three days after Suit was first invited over and two days before the second invite. This throws a curveball into Flash's version of events, because he said, quote (from his apology):
"Second, it was June 6th, with me, JustLikeThat, GGulTengTeng drinking together in my house. That also was just gathering with friends rather than being about investing." Here Flash said that this invite on the 6th was intended for a friendly gathering and no talks of investment were planned.
"Suit asked this time as well if it was okay to come over and I asked JustLikeThat, GGulTengTeng if it was okay, and when they said it was, Suit came over."
"After that, talks of investing came out, and whether I intended it or not, the instigation came from me in the end, so I believe that it is my fault." Here Flash said that, after Suit's arrival, he (Flash) initiated talks of investment.
Flash's timeline is problematic, because he displayed the FOBLGATE logo (it looks to be physical btw) on the 4th, which is right between the two gatherings with Suit. It's also suspicious that he wouldn't mention that in his apology. It's not easy to believe that he "forgot" about putting up the logo, because it's directly tied to the whole scandal and a crucial element in the timeline. So he seems to have purposely omitted this fact in his apology. Something that adds to the suspicion is the wording Flash uses (unless this is somehow lost in translation): "whether I intended it or not, the instigation came from me in the end, so I believe that it is my fault." >intended it or not Flash put up the FOBLGATE logo two days earlier (after acquiring it at some unknown point), between two separate gatherings with Suit, both of which happened within the span of less than a week. Is this information correct? If so, then this adds up perfectly for a sequence of multiple planned events leading up to a planned advertisement. I can't see what else it could mean, since the logo didn't put itself up. So he intentionally puts up the logo, but then his instigation of investment talks wasn't intentional? That's not very credible at all.
Has Flash made an effort to explain this whole sequence of events in detail?
Edit: Ahh my bad, I made a dumb mistake. Gonna put my whole comment in a spoiler, the conclusions are worthless. The gatherings were in June, not July. So the timeline is completely different from what I thought it was.
On July 04 2021 09:17 RWLabs wrote: This is disappointing. I dug around on Ygosu, and it's pretty much impossible to get Flash and others off the hook. For those unaware, there were lots of BJs involved, but the BW ones are Bisu, Flash, Sea, Brittney, and Guemchi. The latter two were already in an unrecoverable image crisis (in short: BDSM jokes about a Korean independence martyr), so I wonder if they're looking for other career avenues. All the sources contain photographic proof, so don't tell me they're hearsay written by angry Korean keyboarders.
2. Flash doesn't regret a goddamn thing There was a recorded conversation between the ex-pros and Suit caught up in this mess. Flash talks about how he and others can recuperate their image to get back to broadcasting. Does this sound like someone who regrets putting their loyal fans' wallets at risk?
3. Hell yes they were paid to advertise the cryptocurrency People seem to be in denial about this, but Suit and the people involved signed a contract that guaranteed some return to the progamers even if the cryptocurrency zeroed out. It's insanity to think Suit would guarantee returns without something in return, the most obvious answer being advertisement. Now why would broadcasters be guaranteed pay and asked to bring up the cryptocurrency on the streams? Why would Flash 'apologize' about the impact his actions would have on the viewers after the truth was found out? I'm legitimately curious what other than a pump and dump scam do some of you think this was.
4. Flash sold out his own mother... Not that this is illegal, but this is really damns Flash's image for me personally. On June 23rd, Flash claimed that his mother put in 200 million Won (~$175,000) after talking with Suit, which is ridiculous for a 28 year old man who makes more in half a year than a common salarymen does in a decade. Of course it's ridiculous, as his future postings (like the one on June 30th in the same link) mysteriously never mention his mother again when the truth about his involvement came out.
5. Flash was the broker beyond the shadow of a doubt Brittney confessed that Flash was the one who did this to start. Remember, Brittney is practically blacklisted due to his previous scandal, and incriminating Flash doesn't make him any less innocent anyhow. Not to mention, Flash's explanation of what happened makes no logical sense. His stance is that he invited popular streamers for drinks, and Suit just happened to call at the right time and joined in, and after some coddling got them on board. First time is maybe a coincidence, but this happened twice when Flash invited other streamers over for drinks. It doesn't take much imagination to see those meetings as being planned well in advance.
TL;DR: They knew exactly what they were doing, and are feigning victimhood to be able to broadcast again.
KCM put it best when he said that these four rose to stardom due to their fans and decided to return the favour with a knife in the back. As a fan of Bisu, I feel a little bad him as he invested a day before the news broke out. That doesn't change the fact that he was smiling at the thought of making millions of Wons off his fans' misery though.
I can't deny that I want to see Bisu and Flash play again, but I hope the fans never forget about this incident.
Thanks for the summary in understandable English, very appreciated. There seems to be a world I don't get, such as trusting a random internet personality with investments I don't really understand myself.
EPT
