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asel
Germany1599 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Anyways, when your examples are from 13 years ago, it's pretty safe to say that no foreigner will be able to qualify "legitimately" for ASL. | ||
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...onmYwaY
92 Posts
On September 21 2020 05:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why are you acting like Scan counts as a foreigner? Just because he happens to be talking on TL. Anyways, when your examples are from 13 years ago, it's pretty safe to say that no foreigner will be able to qualify "legitimately" for ASL. I have never acted like Scan counts as a "foreigner", I have not even mentioned that word. What makes you draw that conclusion? Well... how many offline tournaments with a mix between Koreans and non-Koreans have we had the last 13 years? Please... I've said 10000-times that we most freaking likley will never have a non-Korean in a premier tournament and that it would take more than is even realistic to reach that! Look at post #3,#5, #40, #43 #51, #54, #60... my god... how is it possible to say anything more clear? My god... | ||
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TelecoM
United States10665 Posts
On September 21 2020 05:47 asel wrote: Throwin: Let's be clear. It wasn't slightly questioned whether Stork threw these games. It was absolutely certain he lost on purpose. What? You're saying Stork match fixed in WCG back in the day vs White-Ra? Are you serious? lol | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On September 21 2020 07:58 TelecoM wrote: What? You're saying Stork match fixed in WCG back in the day vs White-Ra? Are you serious? lol i thought the whole affair was more funny than anything else tbh. | ||
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
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GoShox
United States1835 Posts
On September 21 2020 07:58 TelecoM wrote: What? You're saying Stork match fixed in WCG back in the day vs White-Ra? Are you serious? lol Yes? Koreans routinely threw games in group play so they wouldn't have to knock each other out in the tournament until the semifinals/finals. | ||
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
On September 21 2020 05:11 ...onmYwaY wrote: However, if we go back and look at some history... PJ actually knocked out Savior of WCG2007 2-1. Androide knocked out Silent_Control 2-0. White-Ra had Stork down 3-1 WCG2007 (incl. tie-breakers; even if it was slightly questioned if Stork actually threw a few games to avoid another Korean in the Final bracket). And perhaps there are more games that I do not recall from the top of my head. All these were offline matches in one of the largest tournaments. These games, and all the other wins proove that it would not be the first time a non-Korean could compete with the elite. Not saying anything about today though. Even if it's still nearly impossible. In 2007 Mondragon beat Savior in the group stage. He took a game off Reach in some event and beat Zeus 3-0. Advocate took a game off Jaedong (2009 I think?). Other than that, you would have to go back to like 2001 to find non-korean wins. Maybe Fisheye in 2003 won something. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
Language barrier is also another big factor, you really need to speak Korean to understand the highest level of gameplay/tactics of the pros. BW is such a deep game that is still constantly changing and not knowing the language just puts you behind. Unfortunately without fulfilling the 2 criteria it will be a long road if a foreigner were to make it to ASL. | ||
KwarK
United States42238 Posts
On September 20 2020 19:11 martoto088 wrote: One serious question. I was thinking of that for a long time, it is like a dream for me. I was fortunate enough to make a lot of money from poker, then bitcoins and Tesla shares. I am willing to create an "ultimate" BW tournament with a prize pool lets say $100 000. I would love to have both top koreans and maybe 1 forigner on each group. I have no expirience at all with tournaments, i know nobody at the scene, etc. Do you guys think it is possible to do something like that? Any advice? Do you think it is possible to get back at least 20-30% from ads and other stuff? If someone with expirience and connections is willing to help me, let's disscuss it to see if it is even possible. I can offer only money. Sounds like you're wanting to fund a new TSL. Teamliquid has run tournaments in the past. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10665 Posts
On September 21 2020 13:46 GoShox wrote: Yes? Koreans routinely threw games in group play so they wouldn't have to knock each other out in the tournament until the semifinals/finals. Why would "throwing games" not be as much of an an issue back then with Koreans doing it in WCG, as it was with other players actual match fixing? And how is it proven? How can you 100% say that Stork threw the games vs White-Ra just so they "wouldn't knock each other out of the tournament", for what? Korean Pride? | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
On September 22 2020 02:51 TT1 wrote: i think the BEST foreigner EVER was RET YeAh | ||
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
On September 22 2020 02:51 TT1 wrote: i think the BEST foreigner EVER was RET agreed | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On September 22 2020 03:02 TT1 wrote: wat about IdrA tho?? F91 ? | ||
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KwarK
United States42238 Posts
I heard F91 only won because he did the wrong build for the map whereas Idra did the build that counters the build any food player would have done. | ||
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oxKnu
1143 Posts
On September 20 2020 19:11 martoto088 wrote: One serious question. I was thinking of that for a long time, it is like a dream for me. I was fortunate enough to make a lot of money from poker, then bitcoins and Tesla shares. I am willing to create an "ultimate" BW tournament with a prize pool lets say $100 000. I would love to have both top koreans and maybe 1 forigner on each group. I have no expirience at all with tournaments, i know nobody at the scene, etc. Do you guys think it is possible to do something like that? Any advice? Do you think it is possible to get back at least 20-30% from ads and other stuff? If someone with expirience and connections is willing to help me, let's disscuss it to see if it is even possible. I can offer only money. There's a lot of dormant SC1 players (retired ones, SC2 players etc). I think an online series would revive a lot of interest in the game. Like a 5K first place prize should be enough to garner enough interest. Mixing koreans with foreigners is not that great of an idea unless it's a team game (where each team gets a korean pro or smth like that). If you want to get some money back on your investment, a series (like ESL is for SC2) is probably better than a one-off. | ||
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation366 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
What about Rhoads. That guy was legit. Saw em beat many pro's. Rets good too. | ||
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