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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
August 27 2008 06:48 GMT
#201
This is a bad training idea.

You want to isolate and train multitasking. You don't want to mass pointless games vs a comp with mass spam.

Use this:
http://77.251.196.241:200/Python_Multitask_Free.scx

Just practice your macro BO with this while keeping the SCV alive. If you want you can add an enemy opponent.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 27 2008 07:15 GMT
#202
On August 27 2008 15:48 BlackStar wrote:
This is a bad training idea.


If you read any bit of the thread you'll see a lot of people saying that this exercise has helped them play better. It's helped me too, actually. QED?

I'm sure your exercise is good too though.
May the BeSt man win.
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
August 27 2008 07:28 GMT
#203
Are people seriously still saying "this is terrible" "no this is good" WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN TWO THOUSAND AND FUCKING SEVEN
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-27 09:42:35
August 27 2008 09:34 GMT
#204
On August 27 2008 16:15 Djabanete wrote:
If you read any bit of the thread you'll see a lot of people saying that this exercise has helped them play better. It's helped me too, actually. QED?



You are suggesting that bad exercise doesn't help?

You are learning something you don't need. And then you try to adapt it into proper play. It just doesn't make sense.

I mean, forcing your APM to be above whatever number, what does that actually mean? You could just hold down the 1 key. Also, one could just mass repeatedly click. All ways to create artificial APM. But this doesn't help your multitasking a single bit.

Hotkeying all over the map does help. One may also do that. But it's better to make an exercise that focuses on that entirely.

So now you can spam like crazy and get a high APM. But you will play horribly because of it. And then your normal play is still the same. Now you need to fuse the two styles, the two states of mind, into each other. Then weed out the bad habits you learned yourself. And then you spend a lot of time focusing on one aspect of play and you are still getting owned by noobs doing silly things because you don't know how to scout it, how to respond, how to read their intention. You still have no sense of strategy or tactics whatsoever.


On August 27 2008 16:28 H_ wrote:
Are people seriously still saying "this is terrible" "no this is good" WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN TWO THOUSAND AND FUCKING SEVEN



Yeah, someone made a classic example of an annoying bump. But now people read it in 2008. I don't see your point.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 28 2008 06:00 GMT
#205
On August 27 2008 18:34 BlackStar wrote:
You are learning something you don't need. And then you try to adapt it into proper play. It just doesn't make sense.

Isn't that weird? And yet I played better after doing this exercise. Yay for anecdotal evidence.

(Admittedly I'm a lousy StarCraft player.)
May the BeSt man win.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
August 28 2008 06:04 GMT
#206
Imo you probably played better because you played with more focus regardless of the exercise.
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
September 15 2008 20:41 GMT
#207
I think an UMS map for this exercise would be cool. Any map-makers out there want to give it a shot? I would be glad to try if someone could teach me how to use the editor (or point me in the direction of some good guides for it).
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 01:11:28
December 29 2008 01:08 GMT
#208
omfg I have no idea how you did this, I mash the fuck out of my keyboard, I go insane, and my apm is only 130. Its gone up by like 15. I cant keep my apm up, and my minerals, as always, skyrocket. The only change is im sloppy as fuck and cant get my build order right what so ever.

Edit: Though in only two games ive noticed way better drone saturation. Guess I was 'cutting' drones on accident all this time because I simply wasn't fast enough.
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Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
December 29 2008 01:12 GMT
#209
On December 29 2008 10:08 Dazed_Spy wrote:
omfg I have no idea how you did this, I mash the fuck out of my keyboard, I go insane, and my apm is only 130. Its gone up by like 15. I cant keep my apm up, and my minerals, as always, skyrocket. The only change is im sloppy as fuck and cant get my build order right what so ever.


Way to necro a thread.

All it takes is practice, just practice each aspect individually, then slowly put them together.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 29 2008 01:15 GMT
#210
On December 29 2008 10:12 AlphaxOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2008 10:08 Dazed_Spy wrote:
omfg I have no idea how you did this, I mash the fuck out of my keyboard, I go insane, and my apm is only 130. Its gone up by like 15. I cant keep my apm up, and my minerals, as always, skyrocket. The only change is im sloppy as fuck and cant get my build order right what so ever.


Way to necro a thread.

All it takes is practice, just practice each aspect individually, then slowly put them together.
Well, isn't the guidelines of TL to necro a thread instead of making a new one? Oh well. I'm trying to get good at speed first, hopefully with speed ill be able to keep up with troop production. Here goes another 2 hours @_@.
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naonao
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States847 Posts
December 29 2008 01:22 GMT
#211
Seems this is second time this thread has been necroed.

But this seems to be at least a fun exercise, I think I'll try it some time.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 02:01:16
December 29 2008 01:32 GMT
#212
On December 29 2008 10:22 naonao wrote:
Seems this is second time this thread has been necroed.

But this seems to be at least a fun exercise, I think I'll try it some time.
It isnt fun what soever. The results are interesting though.

Edit: in two hours ive gone from avg 100 apm to avg 160 apm, and my macro actually has picked up drastically as a result. GJ blue iris. Does he still frequent these boards?
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 02:09:41
December 29 2008 02:06 GMT
#213
thanks for reviving it! i've never came across this before.

This is interesting. I think this shud work.

Does someone have the multitask map for zerg?
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dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
December 29 2008 04:33 GMT
#214
How would you get your apm to 300 on a trackpad while multitasking? it's like impossible for me to get it to 200 =P
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
December 30 2008 19:55 GMT
#215
1 rally 2 rally 3 rally the end. How many people will get temped banned from this thread I wonder?
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
December 30 2008 21:46 GMT
#216
On August 27 2008 15:48 BlackStar wrote:
This is a bad training idea.

You want to isolate and train multitasking. You don't want to mass pointless games vs a comp with mass spam.

Use this:
http://77.251.196.241:200/Python_Multitask_Free.scx

Just practice your macro BO with this while keeping the SCV alive. If you want you can add an enemy opponent.



actually, you are isolating with this exercise. People need speed, just like nony sais. "Noobs are just too slow"
Kcub07
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 20:59:22
February 22 2009 20:53 GMT
#217
I need help. My APM is very very low, I don't have much experience with RTS', or PC games for that matter. I downloaded a real time APM counter and BWChart, and my apm is averaging like 35. From reading around, i realized that is REALLY REALLY low. (Note: I just got starcraft about a week ago)


Help?


Edit: After reading the last page I realized 'necroing' a thread might be kinda looked down on. Well, this board gives me a ten day waiting period before I can make threads, so I replied to this one.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-22 21:10:07
February 22 2009 21:09 GMT
#218
well just keep playing and learning what you have to do then it'll easily go over 35

i mean 35 is just too ridiculously slow (im sorry ) to achieve anything

35apm is like you staring at your screen for way too long and not doing anything
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Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
February 22 2009 21:12 GMT
#219
On August 27 2008 15:48 BlackStar wrote:
This is a bad training idea.

You want to isolate and train multitasking. You don't want to mass pointless games vs a comp with mass spam.

Use this:
http://77.251.196.241:200/Python_Multitask_Free.scx

Just practice your macro BO with this while keeping the SCV alive. If you want you can add an enemy opponent.


Does anyone still have this trainer ?
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jingXD
Profile Joined May 2007
United States283 Posts
February 22 2009 21:21 GMT
#220
On February 23 2009 06:12 Ziph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2008 15:48 BlackStar wrote:
This is a bad training idea.

You want to isolate and train multitasking. You don't want to mass pointless games vs a comp with mass spam.

Use this:
http://77.251.196.241:200/Python_Multitask_Free.scx

Just practice your macro BO with this while keeping the SCV alive. If you want you can add an enemy opponent.


Does anyone still have this trainer ?

try these
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87062#11

Not sure if it the same thing, but from the description, it sounds close.
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