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On February 23 2009 05:53 Kcub07 wrote:
I need help. My APM is very very low, I don't have much experience with RTS', or PC games for that matter. I downloaded a real time APM counter and BWChart, and my apm is averaging like 35. From reading around, i realized that is REALLY REALLY low. (Note: I just got starcraft about a week ago)
Help?
Edit: After reading the last page I realized 'necroing' a thread might be kinda looked down on. Well, this board gives me a ten day waiting period before I can make threads, so I replied to this one.
get some korean replays (preferably progamers or top amateurs), and try to do what they do without falling behind. I guarantee your APM will go above 35 :D
Usually such low apm is caused by not knowing what to do next. You have to stop and think or guess, and you lose time that way. So try and study some builds and learn them to the point you dont really have to think about them
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Adding to fusionsdfs advice you should check out the recommended threads in the strategy forum and read some of the guides there so you have a better idea what to do.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86665 has links to lots of quality commentated first person VODs, you should watch some as a first-person view shows more than a replay can.
If you are completely new to SC you may want to play the campaign first if you haven't done so yet. Be aware that the computer does a lot of things no decent human player would do and the maps are nothing like modern macro maps.
The melee AI is really bad, if you want to play a somewhat normal game against the computer you should go to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80272¤tpage=All, download and play against the Entropy II, still not that good but it gets the right units in most matchups and can be a decent challenge for new players.
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K I really must say from reading the first page of this thread...my macro has gone from like 25 to 80 after 2 games....holy shit.
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What a crazy bump.
This exercise isn't so much about training you to do "realistic" tasks but just getting you in the routine of doing standard StarCraft motions...getting your hands to move at a proper speed and knowing what to click are certain times.
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sorry for the crazy bump...I took this exercise as a "learn" how to macro" I figure the faster I can do it the more time I can focus on strategy/micro. I know the exercise itself isn't realistic because there is no pressure what so ever but if I perfect it then adding pressure in increments shouldn't be a problem and I won't lose to D- players anymore 
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Actually having a D/D+ rank in iCCup sort of tells that you have the basic understanding of the build orders, timings, micro tricks and the like..
wait, people bumped this for apm discussion...what.
APM is not really a players concern, it goes up as a player is able to multitask more. Usually its the macro tricks like pimping scvs, keeping minerals low, which eventually leads to gateway/tech timing and keeping an eye on the supply count, that raise the apm. Then scouting, microing in battle's would also eventually add in the equation. But seriously, I think APM is nothing more than a number that tells you how much you can spam, just keep a close look in your eapm instead.
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On February 25 2009 22:04 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Usually its the macro tricks like pimping scvs, keeping minerals low, which eventually leads to gateway/tech timing and keeping an eye on the supply count, that raise the apm. Then scouting, microing in battle's would also eventually add in the equation. But seriously, I think APM is nothing more than a number that tells you how much you can spam, just keep a close look in your eapm instead.
I pimp my SCVs, but my APM is only like 120. Seriously though, I think this exercise could help a fair bit, maybe if you focus on the keeping minerals down. I might try it out for a bit.
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i dont give a rat's ass about apm... I do give a rat's ass about having more units than my opponent and I care tremendously about having a constant stream of reinforcements. I didn't do it for the pretty number.
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Ya he said he was at 35, that's pretty bumpworthy.
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lol 25
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On February 25 2009 22:04 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Actually having a D/D+ rank in iCCup sort of tells that you have the basic understanding of the build orders, timings, micro tricks and the like..
wait, people bumped this for apm discussion...what.
APM is not really a players concern, it goes up as a player is able to multitask more. Usually its the macro tricks like pimping scvs, keeping minerals low, which eventually leads to gateway/tech timing and keeping an eye on the supply count, that raise the apm. Then scouting, microing in battle's would also eventually add in the equation. But seriously, I think APM is nothing more than a number that tells you how much you can spam, just keep a close look in your eapm instead.
I agree for the most part when you get the hang of the game your speed goes up, but I have friends who've played the game and know the builds but still only have 60 APM. APM is a state of mind - for some (I know Chill said this before) if you tell yourself to move faster you do move faster, but for others, who are just slow most of the time, they do need practice to get the hang of moving faster.
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i have a few questions, if this isn't too late of a response to this post.
1. does the spamming help you multitask, because i can't multitask very well (always forgetting other hatcheries, etc.)
2. will this help in using units like defilers/queens? i never use them, and i feel that if i do, i can do a lot better.
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Srry to bump this but.. I stumbled on this a couple months back.. Tried it for couple days.. major improvement in Macro due to this!!! thanks for the guide.. I play sc2
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Definitely glad this got bumped. I made a lot of progress before using a similar but less ambitious approach so this is inspiring!
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Interesting, might try this myself.
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lol i thought these would be literally physical exercises
they work!
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I had some friends that got into SC2 and I told them about spam and to practice spamming vs. the computer and they thought it was the stupidest thing in the world. I told them to spam as hard as they could and stay under 500 and all they could say was that I was stupid and that even in VODs you see pros go over 1000.
They can say whatever they want, they can suck as much as they want...forever silver/gold/plat. Don't even know why they bother to ask me.
This helped me a lot back in the day :D
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well you dont need to spam or have over 100 apm to be masters/diamond
oh and screw the sc2 talk in our lovely bw section, lets not pollute it. i dont see anyone else talking about hello kitty online here so why shall we do this sc2 talk while there are some sections above just for it 
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Considering that you can have 2 hotkeys and do fine in starcraft 2, I doubt that having 300 apm will benefit much.
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EPT
