• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
TeamLiquid Liquipedia LiquidDota LiquidLegends
EDT 05:21
CEST 11:21
KST 18:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL14] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Speedrunning1WTL 2022 Summer - Playoffs Preview4Farewell CCL: Season 4 Recap1WTL 2022 Summer - Regular Season Awards + Week 119[ASL14] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Long Awaited15
Community News
ESL Open Cup #135: ByuN, MaxPax, Solar win0Code Season 3 (2022) - RO20 groups announced61GSL S3 2022 Qualifier Cast (AfreecaTV)2Team NV to disband after WTL 2022 Summer26[TSL 9] Live finals update - Neeb, TIME, Barcrafts16
StarCraft 2
General
Post WTL 2022 Summer Transfer Season Code Season 3 (2022) - RO20 groups announced Team NV to disband after WTL 2022 Summer 2022 GSL S2 Chatting Event ESL Open Cup #135: ByuN, MaxPax, Solar win
Tourneys
ITaX Trovo Series#26 - ByuN, Rogue, soO & Cure AfreecaTV Theatre of Dreams ($5,600) Announcing $5,000 G-FUEL Gladiators' Cup [WTL 2022] Summer - Playoffs LTK Invitational Team League
Strategy
PvT macro builds Terran Mule Timing wankery What should I try to work on to improve my TvZ Maru Offensive Widow Mine Drop
Custom Maps
StarLance | Extension Mod – Multiplayer LotV [M](4) Typhoon [A] SC Real Scale
External Content
Mutation # 330 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 329 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 328 Overclocked Mutation # 327 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
[ASL14] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Speedrunning The future of starcraft broodwar BSL Season 15 - Continental Championships [ASL14] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Long Awaited BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL14] Ro24 Group D [CPL8] Coach Pupil League-End Of Season Statistics [RCG 2021] Final Bracket - August 13 & 14 6pm CEST [ASL14] Ro24 Group C
Strategy
PvT advise for noobs Battery control [PvP] How to defend vs. 2 gate zealot into nexus Project: Strat Update
Other Games
General Games
Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Final Fantasy XIV Total War: Warhammer III
Dota 2
Official Dota and Chess General Discussion PGL Arlington Major [DPC 21-22] Tour 3 Discussion/LR TL.net migration megathread + LiquidDota archive
League of Legends
[Summer Split] LoL Esports General Discussion [Patch Notes] Release General Discussion
Heroes of the Storm
HotS: WP and Funny Moments Farewell CCL: Season 4 Recap Time of the Season: X-Cup Summer Preview The New Kings of Paris: MCC Finals Recap
Hearthstone
TL Mafia
Chezinu streak(s) Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread British Empire Mini Mafia II
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Coronavirus and You NASA and the Private Sector YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Flash Fan Club The herO Fan Club! INnoVation Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Anime Discussion Thread [TV] HBO's Westworld
Sports
2022 - 2023 Football Thread NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story 2021 - 2022 Football Thread
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread The Ultimate Mouse Thread Windows won't boot from cloned SSD
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Namkraft's ASL 14 ENG casts…
namkraft
Regarding teenagers and …
mantequilla
New EG Roster
cmsimon
Programming Without Addera…
codonbyte
Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumhe…
JimmiC
Great mix of RTS and tu…
AiHEADHUNTER
Chicken shit
Starlightsun
Montenegro Tower Construction …
Tak3r
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1191 users

Training Excercise for Starcraft

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
BlueIris
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)107 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-09 10:47:14
July 09 2007 10:26 GMT
#1
_______________________________________________________________________

When I was really horrible at starcraft
--> Losing in every single public game, I was given a practice exercise that drastically improved my macro and apm.

--------------------------------------------------------
The conditions for the practice was:

-- Minerals below 300 (unless saving up for expansion or mass units i.e. mutalisks)

-- APM over 300

--------------------------------------------------------

Basically, there were only two conditions, and it would normally be practice against a computer. Throughout the entire game, you had to maintain both your money and apm. For about a week and a half, all I did was practice this exercise against a computer and I remember one thing. It felt like the dumbest waste of time in the world. It was boring and irritating because at first, it was hard enough just to reach 300 apm and even harder to maintain such a low money count. I lost against computers. I felt like a horrible player, but I continued this exercise with the enthusiasm provided by my friend.

My only goal was to spam and make units. Micro was out of the question (for me at that time). For two hours a day, for a week and a half, I woke up at 6 and played till 8. I held myself back from playing on the internet. My only opponent was the computer.

After about the first week, the exercise became easy and I began to incorporate micro and other aspects than simply speed and macro.

By the end of the week and a half, those restrictions were gone and I was able to play on the internet. The first thing I noticed was that my once 100 apm became 250+ without even trying. I was getting compliments from my friends that I played like a pro. That was just my speed.

My macro was incredible, and without the psychological burden of having to follow the conditions, I was able to play calmly. Rather than only focusing on macro; micro, macro, apm, all came in less than two weeks.

*(Before this exercise, I had great micro with alot of the starcraft units, but because of this, my macro was horrible for my screen would only focus on the units that I was so carefully controlling)

Sure, I didn't know all the ins and outs of stacraft, but I was playing great. The moment I came back on the internet, I played 10 pubs and won every single one of them. I beat the players who I couldn't beat before and somehow, I felt like the training was actually worth it.

Maybe it was just my personal potential or the effectiveness of this practice, but I felt that I would like to share this exercise with the TL-Net Community. In my incredibly long "career" in starcraft, those 2 weeks always stayed in my memory.

In reality, I was playing against a computer. However, I believe that with this exercise, I was actually playing against myself and in essence, teaching myself.

If you feel the need to dismiss this topic, feel free to do so. I am simply providing a summary of what I had to do in order to be at the level I am at now. Feel free to ask any questions


-BlueIris


Play like your first, Train like your second
garoth
Profile Joined July 2007
United States51 Posts
July 09 2007 10:30 GMT
#2
heres a questions what program to you use to keep count of your apm because i could use something like that
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
July 09 2007 10:36 GMT
#3
That's cool. I guess it's a good way to increase your speed and non-strategy aspects of the game. Maybe some others should try it and report their results.
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 09 2007 10:39 GMT
#4
well everyone wants to maintain a low money count and APM, but what program did you use to monitor this?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33713 Posts
July 09 2007 10:39 GMT
#5
On July 09 2007 19:30 garoth wrote:
heres a questions what program to you use to keep count of your apm because i could use something like that

http://www.bwchart.com
or if you mean realtime, I think this topic deals with that:

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=55711

As for the first post of this thread, interesting topic, I don't think I could EVER force myself to play vs a computer tho.. I used to want higher apm for a while when BWChart came out so I was spamming every game until I was playing at a natural 200 apm when I stopped spamming, a little bit similiar I guess.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
BlueIris
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)107 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-09 10:44:58
July 09 2007 10:42 GMT
#6
On July 09 2007 19:39 Pressure wrote:
well everyone wants to maintain a low money count and APM, but what program did you use to monitor this?


At the time, bwlauncher was still available. I used it to monitor my apm. Monitoring my mineral and gas count is simply at the top right corner of your screen.

On July 09 2007 19:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2007 19:30 garoth wrote:
heres a questions what program to you use to keep count of your apm because i could use something like that

http://www.bwchart.com
or if you mean realtime, I think this topic deals with that:

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=55711

As for the first post of this thread, interesting topic, I don't think I could EVER force myself to play vs a computer tho.. I used to want higher apm for a while when BWChart came out so I was spamming every game until I was playing at a natural 200 apm when I stopped spamming, a little bit similiar I guess.


Haha I guess i was just desperate at that time to get better, because the person who introduced me to the exercise had done the same exercise and she was an incredibly good player. But playing against a computer does get dull
Play like your first, Train like your second
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 09 2007 10:50 GMT
#7
So it took a week and a half for 2 hours a day? Or is that 14? 6-8 could be either.

If it's two, that's about 22 hours of practice, which I guess is a reasonable amount of time to increase your apm.
o_x | Ow. | 1003 ESPORTS dollars | If you have any questions about bans please PM Kennigit
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
July 09 2007 11:02 GMT
#8
what race do you play? and did you switch the computers race every game?
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
July 09 2007 11:06 GMT
#9
A problem I have in increasing my APM is that spam clicking sometimes makes me do things that are counter productive (like moving my probes away). I've watched FPVODs, and what most players seem to do is to keep selecting and deselecting units. Is there a formula or rhythm for doing this? What are your personal preferences in keeping a high APM?

Also, does mouse sensitivity have anything to do with this? I have a low end optical mouse, and sometimes I feel I'm not accurate enough. Is high accuracy a big part of SC, or am I just imagining things? I mean, I don't mis click, it just feels really slow sometimes. I increased the mouse scroll speed to max today and it feels better now, but is there anything else I should do?

Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks.
AdministratorSKT T1 | Masters of the Universe
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
July 09 2007 11:07 GMT
#10
Why play against a computer though? Why not just focus on these things and play actual games at the same time?
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
crazie-penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States1253 Posts
July 09 2007 11:07 GMT
#11
Gad, I remember when you told me to do this...I failed horribly T_T. When i got above like at 250 APM my macro was going down so much xD.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9370 Posts
July 09 2007 11:09 GMT
#12
I hardly spam. and I get 250++average games.

who the fucks knows.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
July 09 2007 11:20 GMT
#13
i'd like a replay of you playing a person
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
BlueIris
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)107 Posts
July 09 2007 11:22 GMT
#14
@Mikeymoo
2 hours a day. I couldn't sit down and play this game for 14 hours. No matter how fun it is ^^

@rushz0rz
I was a terran player at the time. I played against protoss and zerg, choosing depending on my mood
I play protoss now though ^^ Just because they are so underused and considered weak at the higher levels

@TheFoReveRwaR

When your doing this exercise, you need to focus all of your attention on simply meeting the conditions. It may sound easy on paper, but hell it took me a long time to even meet the conditions. When your playing against another player, you will most likely get slaughtered before you are able efficiently practice your apm and macro (practicing this exercise for 7 minutes is useless. It gets truly difficult when you are able to take 2 or more expansions). Playing against a computer is hard enough. However, if you are able to keep that high of an apm and macro while playing another player and win, you don't need to even read this thread.

@ riptide

I believe that everyone has a different style of maintaining apm. I really don't pay attention to apm any more, for it comes naturally. But I have a tendency to shift through my troops and at each of my gateways and nexuses. (1a2a3a4a556677889900) When I click at a location, I make alot of useless clicks. I click about 5-10 times to send a unit towards that direction. Its not that I purposely do it to increase my apm, but it has become natural.

Your question on mouse sensitivity is all about preference. I play with a slightly lower mouse sensitivity for I use my wrist alot. Yet some of my friends who play in Nal have a incredibly sensitive mouse. I tried playing a game with that high of sensitivity. My micro was killed.

@ crazie-penguin

hey

Its hard stuff isn't it XD

Play like your first, Train like your second
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
July 09 2007 11:33 GMT
#15
Thanks BlueIris. Anyone else have any suggestions?
AdministratorSKT T1 | Masters of the Universe
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25881 Posts
July 09 2007 11:59 GMT
#16
I've found I got a lot better once I realized I could be better. It's cliche, but whatever. I used think "if I could send targetted units away that would be so good." Now I realize I can do that and I do do that. This story helps no one so I don't know why I'm posting it. Gogo post count boost.
Moderator
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
July 09 2007 12:14 GMT
#17
Wow; that's a great idea BlueIris. I should try this ASAP
^-^
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39344 Posts
July 09 2007 12:26 GMT
#18
I've seen nothing but quality information in your posts in the past, and there's not reason for me to think otherwise about this latest one.

Thanks for this advice; hopefully some of us can report back to you in ~2 weeks with results.
OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
July 09 2007 12:41 GMT
#19
This looks interesting, and since it's summer break, this would be a great time to try it!

I'll see if I can work up the courage to start this

Hopefully, I can report in two weeks with success (or that I got lazy <_< Hope that doesn't happen)
ff7legend
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States213 Posts
July 09 2007 12:44 GMT
#20
i just started it and im about 30 mins into it. And its very frustrating keeping up ur apm
I am the best ever... aka Truth, Judge, Legend
1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 357
ROOTSuperNova 286
Reynor 271
Zoun 181
ProTech121
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3306
Horang2 2846
GuemChi 2652
PianO 1987
Mong 1118
Larva 960
Rush 387
EffOrt 263
Free 117
Sacsri 66
[ Show more ]
Killer 41
Noble 26
Dewaltoss 24
Iris 2
Dota 2
XBOCT3658
EternaLEnVy2131
monkeys_forever804
XcaliburYe755
febbydoto136
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
officialf0rest2426
Other Games
singsing1698
ceh91068
crisheroes819
DeMusliM569
WinterStarcraft465
Happy178
AxAlicia23
Organizations
Dota 2
BeyondTheSummit221
StarCraft 2
Esl_sc2159
ESL.tv159
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Light_VIP 20
• nightgamer69 3
• Kozan
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Poblha
• Alpha X_
• aXEnki
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Gussbus
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamez Trovo
StarCraft: Brood War
• sscaitournament3
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
• AfreecaTV YouTube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV607
League of Legends
• Rush7775
• Ambition2851
• Stunt510
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
39m
Soulkey vs TBD
JyJ vs sSak
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2h 39m
ByuN vs Rattata
Cure vs Reynor
BeAsT Cup
7h 39m
GSL Qualifier
13h 39m
Creator vs GuMiho
soO vs GuMiho
RagnaroK vs Ryung
Scarlett vs Ryung
Astrea vs KeeN
Solar vs KeeN
Reynor vs Zoun
Zoun vs SpeCial
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
Afreeca Starleague
1d
Snow vs HiyA
Shine vs Jaedong
GSL Qualifier
1d 13h
DongRaeGu vs ByuN
DongRaeGu vs Armani
Armani vs Dream
SpeCial vs GuMiho
Armani vs SpeCial
Scarlett vs Cure
Classic vs Nice
Nice vs Prince
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs free
Mong vs Horang2
BeAsT Cup
2 days
Online Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
ESPOT SC2 Circuit
4 days
BSL 2v2 ProLeague
4 days
ESL Pro Tour
4 days
ESL Pro Tour
6 days
ESL Pro Tour
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Ultimate Battle: RoyaL vs ZerO
WTL 2022 Summer
Community Clash League S4
WePlay Academy League S5

Ongoing

GAN Race Survival Season 5
KCM Ladies Race Survival 2022 Season 3
ASL Season 14
KCM Race Survival 2022 Season 3
BSL Season 15: ChoboLeague
BSL Season 15: HasuLeague
Luck Over Strength
FS Mania
STL37
Screw Me Up Bro
LASL Season 14
CSL season 6 Summer Cup
Future Cup 5 (U18)
DSSL 15
TSL 9
WardiTV Summer 2022
NGS Storm Division S5

Upcoming

Deathfate Pro League 4
Deathfate Pro Team League 2
StarClash 0828 CHN vs KOR Week10
StarClash 0821 CHN vs KOR Week9
DDS36: Sziky vs. Zhanhun
IEM Katowice 2023
HSC XXII
2022 GSL: ST 2
DH Masters Atlanta
2022 GSL S3: Code S
Gladiators' Cup
Heroes International
Heroes Int. - NA LC Qual.
Heroes Int. - NA Qual. 2
Heroes Int. - EU LC Qual.
Heroes Int. - EU Qual. 2
Heroes Int. - NA Qual. 1
Heroes Int. - EU Qual. 1
IEM Rio Major 2022
IEM Rio 2022: AME RMR
IEM Rio 2022: EU RMR B
IEM Rio 2022: EU RMR A
IEM Rio 2022: APAC RMR
ESL Challenger Melbourne 2022
ESL Pro League Season 16
ESL Challenger League S42 EU
BLAST Premier Fall Groups
ESL Challenger League S42 AP
ESL Challenger League S42 NA
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2022 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.