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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 09 2007 12:44 GMT
#21
For people attempting this, zdd's apm detector will prove to be useful, if you havent downloaded it yet.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=55711

You should probably change the first variable to 1 in the setup.ini to closely reflect bwchart values, but that's up to you
ff7legend
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States213 Posts
July 09 2007 13:30 GMT
#22
WOW i finsished. i played 5 games and went 4-1. And saying form expeerience this shit is hard. but every game my apm is like only 200.and i swear if this doesnt make me better im gonna be pissed
I am the best ever... aka Truth, Judge, Legend
~Legit~
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States408 Posts
July 09 2007 14:01 GMT
#23
Everyone asking about apm...I use bwrepinfo...hmm i guess i'll find link or something ~_~

http://bwrepinfo.narod.ru

This works fine for me and has a scan sub folder feature and more importantly lists your apm as well as your EAPM and your spam %.
LegitMatthew
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 09 2007 14:06 GMT
#24
On July 09 2007 22:30 ff7legend wrote:
WOW i finsished. i played 5 games and went 4-1. And saying form expeerience this shit is hard. but every game my apm is like only 200.and i swear if this doesnt make me better im gonna be pissed


hmm, i think you're supposed to be over 300 even if you lose, rather than putting victory first and trying to get high apm as a secondary goal.
ff7legend
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States213 Posts
July 09 2007 14:10 GMT
#25
i know but i get rapped up in the game.
I am the best ever... aka Truth, Judge, Legend
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
July 09 2007 14:23 GMT
#26
brute forcing your apm up seemed incredibly silly to me at first but it has paid off tremendously. three years ago i consciously spammed and spammed in every single pub game and even bgh game i played until i could maintain 200 apm without thinking, and eventually it's channeled into more and more useful actions.

i'm sure many others have 'naturally' worked their way up in terms of speed, but back then i was stuck at 150 apm, and frustrated by my inability to properly macro while microing. this method of getting faster honest to goodness works, and though it takes a bit for the results to show, you will be extremely pleased with yourself when they do.
Moderatorsloppy little slug
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 09 2007 14:38 GMT
#27
I believe this is a terrible way to boost your speed, your apm improves when your feel for the keyboard and mouse improves naturally after playing thousands of games. Trying to boost it artificially through spamming and playing the computer is awful for your development. When you play ladder, you'll encounter a lot of players who are average but later when you look at bwchart you'll notice they have 300-400 apm while their macro is still terrible. This is how you become one of those people.

Most of us can keep our money under 100/100 if we're attacked once every 15 minutes like you are if you're playing vs a computer. Your multitasking only improves if you're pressured constantly, not when there's no pressure. When you look at the bwchart of low apm players their graph spikes when there's a battle and they have to micro and build at the same time. Those moments are the only ones when multitasking matters. Rest of the time spamming can easily be replaced with awareness and constantly staring at the minimap. Anyways, sorry to be bashful but this really is a bad way to improve.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-09 14:46:34
July 09 2007 14:43 GMT
#28
If you watch replays of Ret and NonY vs players worse than them you'll see their money is under 200 for most of the game because they're not being pressured, they probably didn't get that way by playing a computer over and over again. Especially ret, if you watch the replays in his rep pack, he could keep his money under 100 consistently mid to late game
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 09 2007 15:19 GMT
#29
On July 09 2007 23:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
If you watch replays of Ret and NonY vs players worse than them you'll see their money is under 200 for most of the game because they're not being pressured, they probably didn't get that way by playing a computer over and over again. Especially ret, if you watch the replays in his rep pack, he could keep his money under 100 consistently mid to late game

But he also had 350 apm T_T
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 09 2007 15:19 GMT
#30
On July 09 2007 20:59 Chill wrote:
I've found I got a lot better once I realized I could be better. It's cliche, but whatever. I used think "if I could send targetted units away that would be so good." Now I realize I can do that and I do do that. This story helps no one so I don't know why I'm posting it. Gogo post count boost.

Yeah that's kinda what I do normally, I normally have the idea that "If you can think about it, you can do it" So if I imagine myself the king of macro, I can cheat an army just because all your energies is devoted to macro. :D
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 09 2007 15:24 GMT
#31
I tried spam whoring against a comp and it didn't even give me 300 apm. I got 277.

Game 1 ZvT against comp 277 lasted 9:51
Game 2- ZvP against comp 261 apm lasted 10:45

Am i suppose to not attack the computer or something so I can try late game management along with whoring spam?
The money under 300 is no problem with the amount of spam I am doin, but if I try spamming any more, it will conflict with my playing.
Scorpion
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1974 Posts
July 09 2007 15:24 GMT
#32
This might help me boost my macro...

I have the most horrible habit of hotkeying my production buildings yet not using the hotkeys. Instead, I click the minimap and click each individual production building.I do it extremely fast, though. But, it would be light speed if I used hotkeys.

My micro is awesome but my macro loses me games ._.'''
Mango @ U.S.East!
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
July 09 2007 15:26 GMT
#33
vsing a computer is never a good idea, once you can succesfully beat it you should never resort back to playing it.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 09 2007 15:33 GMT
#34
On July 10 2007 00:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2007 23:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
If you watch replays of Ret and NonY vs players worse than them you'll see their money is under 200 for most of the game because they're not being pressured, they probably didn't get that way by playing a computer over and over again. Especially ret, if you watch the replays in his rep pack, he could keep his money under 100 consistently mid to late game

But he also had 350 apm T_T


that has nothing to do with it, ret has 220, hullah has 140
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
July 09 2007 16:27 GMT
#35
heh apm i care not about my apm for zerg is above 200 that my vapm so many of my actions are spamming something that i cant build yet hahah i can get ym apm easiely above 300 and still loose ill get apm of 1000 or higher just spamming hotkeys people with near or above 200 apm should consern them selfs less with higher apm and more with stragety my micro is okay but i win off of my macro im a zerg player so i find 200 fine i mean i have a perfect example of some one who just has high apm but no real understanding of the game

my friend lost to another one of my friends who has 1/4 of the apm my first friend had all my first friend knows is how to prtoss rush so he lost to a rush with better stragety heh kinda funny to see a player with 280 apm loose to one with 67 apm i say this is a good idea if you know the game and stragety already cause a comp wont give you the expirence of a real player and if you dont have the expirence you find you self panicing and falling apart in a game rather then winning in style
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
T-P-S
Profile Joined June 2007
United States204 Posts
July 09 2007 16:27 GMT
#36
I can't even maintain the requirements yet...

But after trying this, my wrist does hurt a lot.

I hope that means I'm getting better.
~a hunnerd. Cash, check, whatever. I'll Mothership it.
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
July 09 2007 16:27 GMT
#37
yeah im wondering about what you do ? in like tvz you can kill the computer with your first 12 mnm, thats like 7 minutes of game there, and a toss will fall to the first 4 tank 6 vult push, do you not attack them ? i play vs comps like that sometimes and i dont attack them but u just always keep my units moving around the map so its like presuring
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 09 2007 16:49 GMT
#38
On July 10 2007 00:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2007 00:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
On July 09 2007 23:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
If you watch replays of Ret and NonY vs players worse than them you'll see their money is under 200 for most of the game because they're not being pressured, they probably didn't get that way by playing a computer over and over again. Especially ret, if you watch the replays in his rep pack, he could keep his money under 100 consistently mid to late game

But he also had 350 apm T_T


that has nothing to do with it, ret has 220, hullah has 140

Let's go back abit, what's the point you are trying to get across? My point is that Nony's 350ish apm helped his macro/micro because he's fast. Yours being?
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
2Shakur
Profile Joined January 2007
United States23 Posts
July 09 2007 16:52 GMT
#39
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56190
Get a clue people ...
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 09 2007 17:01 GMT
#40
On July 10 2007 01:49 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2007 00:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On July 10 2007 00:19 evanthebouncy! wrote:
On July 09 2007 23:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
If you watch replays of Ret and NonY vs players worse than them you'll see their money is under 200 for most of the game because they're not being pressured, they probably didn't get that way by playing a computer over and over again. Especially ret, if you watch the replays in his rep pack, he could keep his money under 100 consistently mid to late game

But he also had 350 apm T_T


that has nothing to do with it, ret has 220, hullah has 140

Let's go back abit, what's the point you are trying to get across? My point is that Nony's 350ish apm helped his macro/micro because he's fast. Yours being?


my point is obviously ret and hullah both have much lower apm yet still have great macro
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