1. Afreeca tried to get old school progamers as coaches but they all declined so they asked if Stork can do it. At first he declined but they convinced him by telling him they'll make the point system balanced for him.
2. 2 days before the asl teamleague update they changed the rules on him so he his tier 1 and has to pick himself. Stork talks to admins to instead let him be 8th pick. After talking with other coaches and players, the admins agreed to this.
3. While all this is happening, Stork is closing the deal and settling terms with the sponsor he acquired.
4. On the day of the draft they flipped the script on him and not only is he self picked for tier 1, he's also 8th pick. 5. The terms and conditions he contracted with the sponsor is all fucked because of the last minute rule changes.
and wtf stork doesnt have high viewership cuz hes boring af (imo).
If he really was a piece of shit why do the other progamers always look for him for spon proleagues, why do they chill with him off stream, and visit his wife's clothing store to make purchases?
On June 15 2020 01:25 Essbee wrote: Sorry I don't know if this kind of post is permitted but Stork is a pathetic loser. My wife translated for me what he said and he already gave up and thinks his team sucks (wow...). It's already well known that he never stop whining so I feel terrible for the players he drafted. Something is seriously wrong with this guy.
WOAH WOAH WOAH. Watch how you speak about the Storku. Relax bro.
Sorry man, he made Jangbi disappear forever by being a total dick, so yeah. He deserves all the hate he's currently getting.
how did he made JangBi disappear forever? I missed something I think.. please elaborate.
Didn't like streaming, took over his parents bolt factory. Nothing to do with Stork. Pretty sure his Samsung beef was with January/coaching staff and not any of the players.
On June 15 2020 01:25 Essbee wrote: Sorry I don't know if this kind of post is permitted but Stork is a pathetic loser. My wife translated for me what he said and he already gave up and thinks his team sucks (wow...). It's already well known that he never stop whining so I feel terrible for the players he drafted. Something is seriously wrong with this guy.
WOAH WOAH WOAH. Watch how you speak about the Storku. Relax bro.
Sorry man, he made Jangbi disappear forever by being a total dick, so yeah. He deserves all the hate he's currently getting.
how did he made JangBi disappear forever? I missed something I think.. please elaborate.
I call bullshit.
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Jangbi interview with Yellow from March, 2020. He mentions Stork a few times with no bad things said about him. If they had bad blood you would think he wouldn't want Stork mentioned at all?
On June 15 2020 01:25 Essbee wrote: Sorry I don't know if this kind of post is permitted but Stork is a pathetic loser. My wife translated for me what he said and he already gave up and thinks his team sucks (wow...). It's already well known that he never stop whining so I feel terrible for the players he drafted. Something is seriously wrong with this guy.
WOAH WOAH WOAH. Watch how you speak about the Storku. Relax bro.
Sorry man, he made Jangbi disappear forever by being a total dick, so yeah. He deserves all the hate he's currently getting.
how did he made JangBi disappear forever? I missed something I think.. please elaborate.
Didn't like streaming, took over his parents bolt factory. Nothing to do with Stork. Pretty sure his Samsung beef was with January/coaching staff and not any of the players.
Jangbi never wanted to start beef with Stork but there's a video that someone took of Flash, Stork and some other gamers bad mouthing Jangbi and threatening to bully him out of streaming altogether. You people can call bullshit all you want, but these are real things and most of them never wanted to admit the success of Jangbi and even lied about all the other gamers practicing SC2 which is why Jangbi could win back-to-back OSLs. Sharp proved that to be wrong and was really confused about Stork behavior toward Jangbi's success. He seemed really jealous for some reason. Watch the finals of Jangbi vs Fantasy and you can see the difference in reactions from everyone that is not Stork.
I could keep going but I'll stop. Just know that Jangbi is purposefully not saying anything bad about Stork because he's completely over Starcraft after that whole debacle. He doesn't want to start drama and said he was 100% done with the game. Korean fans are quick to remember Flash of that whole incident even though he apologized after that video surfaced.
On June 15 2020 05:50 staatbauhaus wrote: 1. Afreeca tried to get old school progamers as coaches but they all declined so they asked if Stork can do it. At first he declined but they convinced him by telling him they'll make the point system balanced for him.
2. 2 days before the asl teamleague update they changed the rules on him so he his tier 1 and has to pick himself. Stork talks to admins to instead let him be 8th pick. After talking with other coaches and players, the admins agreed to this.
3. While all this is happening, Stork is closing the deal and settling terms with the sponsor he acquired.
4. On the day of the draft they flipped the script on him and not only is he self picked for tier 1, he's also 8th pick. 5. The terms and conditions he contracted with the sponsor is all fucked because of the last minute rule changes.
and wtf stork doesnt have high viewership cuz hes boring af (imo).
If he really was a piece of shit why do the other progamers always look for him for spon proleagues, why do they chill with him off stream, and visit his wife's clothing store to make purchases?
Stork has cheated on his girlfriend. So yeah, confirmed piece of shit. That information is public. Also, Stork has more influence than you think.
And, again, if he has to pick himself in the first round, being the 8th pick is the best possible scenario. I don't understand how you can argue otherwise. You can argue about him being in the second round instead of the first, but these 2 scenarios have no correlation. Honestly, yeah he did get screwed, but not for what you're saying. He should have been tier 2, not tier 1.
Stork constantly had 2k-3k viewers when he was streaming in the past. After all the Jangbi drama (I would call it bullying), he dropped a lot of viewers and is not mostly around 200 (I think?).
On June 15 2020 01:25 Essbee wrote: Sorry I don't know if this kind of post is permitted but Stork is a pathetic loser. My wife translated for me what he said and he already gave up and thinks his team sucks (wow...). It's already well known that he never stop whining so I feel terrible for the players he drafted. Something is seriously wrong with this guy.
WOAH WOAH WOAH. Watch how you speak about the Storku. Relax bro.
Sorry man, he made Jangbi disappear forever by being a total dick, so yeah. He deserves all the hate he's currently getting.
how did he made JangBi disappear forever? I missed something I think.. please elaborate.
Basically bullied him out of streaming along with Flash. Flash apologized, Stork hasn't. Jangbi struggled with confidence issues his whole career. So yeah, it didn't take much for them to make him stop streaming.
I think midas's team is insanely good. BUT having flash and potentially having him play his own game, the 2v2 AND the 3v3 is incredible (+ the ace match...). He could have a full influence on the success of his team. I don't know the rules about that but damn that is scary.
On June 15 2020 01:25 Essbee wrote: Sorry I don't know if this kind of post is permitted but Stork is a pathetic loser. My wife translated for me what he said and he already gave up and thinks his team sucks (wow...). It's already well known that he never stop whining so I feel terrible for the players he drafted. Something is seriously wrong with this guy.
WOAH WOAH WOAH. Watch how you speak about the Storku. Relax bro.
Sorry man, he made Jangbi disappear forever by being a total dick, so yeah. He deserves all the hate he's currently getting.
how did he made JangBi disappear forever? I missed something I think.. please elaborate.
Basically bullied him out of streaming along with Flash. Flash apologized, Stork hasn't. Jangbi struggled with confidence issues his whole career. So yeah, it didn't take much for them to make him stop streaming.
On June 15 2020 01:25 Essbee wrote: Sorry I don't know if this kind of post is permitted but Stork is a pathetic loser. My wife translated for me what he said and he already gave up and thinks his team sucks (wow...). It's already well known that he never stop whining so I feel terrible for the players he drafted. Something is seriously wrong with this guy.
WOAH WOAH WOAH. Watch how you speak about the Storku. Relax bro.
Sorry man, he made Jangbi disappear forever by being a total dick, so yeah. He deserves all the hate he's currently getting.
how did he made JangBi disappear forever? I missed something I think.. please elaborate.
Basically bullied him out of streaming along with Flash. Flash apologized, Stork hasn't. Jangbi struggled with confidence issues his whole career. So yeah, it didn't take much for them to make him stop streaming.
when did this happen and what did flash said?
About 2017, when they had a clan meeting (neox clan). Flash was drunk and said he'd use his influence and sponsors to make Jangbi quit forever. Stork had the same opinion. Like I've said, Flash has since then apologized, but Stork hasn't. Jangbi is gone forever after this. People believe that it is because when Jangbi was asked who were the best players according to him (on Sharp's stream), he didn't mention Flash (he mentioned Bisu and Jaedong being the best players, so I guess he was jealous?). For Flash, it could be argued that he was just drunk and he becomes pretty mean when he's drunk, because he did eventually apologize...
On June 15 2020 09:43 Essbee wrote: I think midas's team is insanely good. BUT having flash and potentially having him play his own game, the 2v2 AND the 3v3 is incredible (+ the ace match...). He could have a full influence on the success of his team. I don't know the rules about that but damn that is scary.
I don't think Flash can play in all of these, at least if its like the format they use to play on streams. Also, I disagree with the warning you got, these kinds of aspects matter a lot in practical performance (team 8 hehe) and might influence later seasons (Soulkeys military is still there, next draft etc).
On June 15 2020 09:43 Essbee wrote: I think midas's team is insanely good. BUT having flash and potentially having him play his own game, the 2v2 AND the 3v3 is incredible (+ the ace match...). He could have a full influence on the success of his team. I don't know the rules about that but damn that is scary.
I don't think Flash can play in all of these, at least if its like the format they use to play on streams. Also, I disagree with the warning you got, these kinds of aspects matter a lot in practical performance (team 8 hehe) and might influence later seasons (Soulkeys military is still there, next draft etc).
Yeah I hope you are right about Flash, that would be so overpowered
As for your second point, I totally agree. One person's complaints lead to a lot of people complaining about the draft system now. If he didn't say anything and just said he'll try to win and is satisfied with his team, no one would have even complained about the draft system in the first place. This constant toxic whining from him and now trashing the league on the live stream like this is really not good for bw imo. I still agree with my warning though, I have no problem with it. I should leave my personal bias out of this. I already regret talking about this but it needs to be known, the negative effects of some particular ex-pros are really starting to become clear, and as a big bw fan, I obviously want nothing but the best for the scene. Cheers.
Thank you for your posts, Essbee. There is a real gap in the KR fans and the international fans because most of us here don't speak Korean. It's like a whole different world, where we can mostly only judge players based on their gameplay (or just blindly their results #shade), especially because a lot of the interviews are so sterile / lose nuance in translation.
I fell in love with Stork's gameplay long ago but even still I appreciate you making this stuff known.
On June 15 2020 01:25 Essbee wrote: Sorry I don't know if this kind of post is permitted but Stork is a pathetic loser. My wife translated for me what he said and he already gave up and thinks his team sucks (wow...). It's already well known that he never stop whining so I feel terrible for the players he drafted. Something is seriously wrong with this guy.
WOAH WOAH WOAH. Watch how you speak about the Storku. Relax bro.
Sorry man, he made Jangbi disappear forever by being a total dick, so yeah. He deserves all the hate he's currently getting.
how did he made JangBi disappear forever? I missed something I think.. please elaborate.
Basically bullied him out of streaming along with Flash. Flash apologized, Stork hasn't. Jangbi struggled with confidence issues his whole career. So yeah, it didn't take much for them to make him stop streaming.
when did this happen and what did flash said?
About 2017, when they had a clan meeting (neox clan). Flash was drunk and said he'd use his influence and sponsors to make Jangbi quit forever. Stork had the same opinion. Like I've said, Flash has since then apologized, but Stork hasn't. Jangbi is gone forever after this. People believe that it is because when Jangbi was asked who were the best players according to him (on Sharp's stream), he didn't mention Flash (he mentioned Bisu and Jaedong being the best players, so I guess he was jealous?). For Flash, it could be argued that he was just drunk and he becomes pretty mean when he's drunk, because he did eventually apologize...
all this drama... I appreciate you providing this information because this is stuff that we don't hear about at all. Most on here heard the story about Jangbi deciding that streaming is not for him, moving from SC and going to work at his dad's factory.
However, before Flash and Stork came back to the scene, he played SC during the SSL days, in SSL9 and 10 (dunno why no 11 lol): 2014-2015 10th SonicTV Starleague . Either way, it's truly sad if this is how things transpired and if it led Jangbi to decide that streaming BW is not for him. I've personally lost respect to both players, though less so for Flash since he at least apologized. Stork though, let's leave it at that.
We have a tendency to regard these progamers as disembodied minor deities (language and culture barrier helps), but occasionally we are reminded of their rather juvenile nature and tendencies succumb to many garden variety human conditions. You'd hear about "path of night" style stories from time to time back in the day, but the lid has really come loose post KeSPA.
Does anybody here have any knowledge about how the clans breakdown, and who is in which clan currently?
shuttle and stork joined "Never Ending Oral Sex"(Yes. It really means that) yesterday. JD said he's not going to join somewhere stacked like NeOx (Flash, Bisu, Stork, Effort, Shuttle, Larva, Terror, Sea, etc....). Of all the notable BW BJs only Mind and Best didn't join up with any of the 2 clans. They are both staying with [WHITE] clan. NVM Best joined Moo.
On June 15 2020 14:17 kiingy wrote: What is the column to the right of player names?
Im assuming its some sort of ranking, how are they ranked?
Points were given based on how far the players got in Seasons 8 and 9 of ASL for some players, who were unable to participate in those starleagues because of military service for example (eg. Bisu, hero), results from previous starleagues were used instead.
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2014-2015 10th SonicTV Starleague
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