On June 15 2020 05:50 staatbauhaus wrote: 1. Afreeca tried to get old school progamers as coaches but they all declined so they asked if Stork can do it. At first he declined but they convinced him by telling him they'll make the point system balanced for him.
2. 2 days before the asl teamleague update they changed the rules on him so he his tier 1 and has to pick himself. Stork talks to admins to instead let him be 8th pick. After talking with other coaches and players, the admins agreed to this.
3. While all this is happening, Stork is closing the deal and settling terms with the sponsor he acquired.
4. On the day of the draft they flipped the script on him and not only is he self picked for tier 1, he's also 8th pick. 5. The terms and conditions he contracted with the sponsor is all fucked because of the last minute rule changes.
and wtf stork doesnt have high viewership cuz hes boring af (imo).
If he really was a piece of shit why do the other progamers always look for him for spon proleagues, why do they chill with him off stream, and visit his wife's clothing store to make purchases?
Stork has cheated on his girlfriend. So yeah, confirmed piece of shit. That information is public. Also, Stork has more influence than you think.
You're throwing in so much stuff I have no idea what's you're point. Why are you triggered? The group selection was highly debateable because of the before mentioned rules...
Basically calling out a respected player as "piece of shit" shouldve been a ban, since you don't even enlighten us with valid sources. And even if you do so, you can take the opportunity about being black mailed as well...
something as notable as flash issuing an apology for being a dick to jangbi should have a clip or youtube for something so significant. there might be some truth in there but whole thing just reeks of classic ygosu exaggeration/drama shit stirring
On June 15 2020 17:51 ggsimida wrote: something as notable as flash issuing an apology for being a dick to jangbi should have a clip or youtube for something so significant. there might be some truth in there but whole thing just reeks of classic ygosu exaggeration/drama shit stirring
agree with you like please any reliable sources for that claim?
i have my doubts like if anything we know from streaming and getting to know flash is such class act a standup guy would not bully someone unless it was just humor and not too serious..(my gut feeling)
You're literally taking to heart the toxic lies of ygosu threads posted by people like Goni(infamous for creating malicious lies about progamers, who recently got sued and had to pay a fine to stork)
Here is a video dated Jan 3,2020 from Firebathero talking about a off-stream dinner he had. Stork and Jangbi was both there. If they had bad blood they would never be having dinner together.
On June 15 2020 22:03 staatbauhaus wrote: Essbee I call bullshit again.
You're literally taking to heart the toxic lies of ygosu threads posted by people like Goni(infamous for creating malicious lies about progamers, who recently got sued and had to pay a fine to stork)
Here is a video dated Jan 3,2020 from Firebathero talking about a off-stream dinner he had. Stork and Jangbi was both there. If they had bad blood they would never be having dinner together.
I'm totally ready to admit I'm wrong if proven otherwise. But a lot of these things have happened on video and there's proof. I'll give you proofs later. Stork cheating on his wife/girlfriend (+ a child) isn't something I made up. Maybe the thing about Jangbi is made up? I don't think so, I just gotta find that neox video and that Sharp one. I honestly would hope what I'm saying is bullshit and we could all rest easy on Stork and Flash, but some of these things I've seen with my own eyes on stream... I don't even know if the videos exist anymore but I swear I'll try to find them if you want. I hope you are right and there's a way to prove everything I've said is wrong... I'll reply to you later.
But back in 2019 there was a big issue where his wife "cheated" on him. A high donation viewer came out saying he cheated with Jiyu behind Storks back and what not and the Stork/Jiyu couple reputation went to utter shit back in 2019. But after keeping quiet for like half a year, they were gathering evidence/data to take the guy to court.
This rumor was debunked after half a year of slander they had to face and the community turned on itself because they were all talking shit with no proof.
Here is the video of that situation. Stork and Jiyu take the guy to court and wins.
On June 15 2020 23:01 staatbauhaus wrote: I dont know of Stork cheating.
But back in 2019 there was a big issue where his wife "cheated" on him. A high donation viewer came out saying he cheated with Jiyu behind Storks back and what not and the Stork/Jiyu couple reputation went to utter shit back in 2019. But after keeping quiet for like half a year, they were gathering evidence/data to take the guy to court.
This rumor was debunked after half a year of slander they had to face and the community turned on itself because they were all talking shit with no proof.
Here is the video of that situation. Stork and Jiyu take the guy to court and wins.
On June 15 2020 23:01 staatbauhaus wrote: I dont know of Stork cheating.
But back in 2019 there was a big issue where his wife "cheated" on him. A high donation viewer came out saying he cheated with Jiyu behind Storks back and what not and the Stork/Jiyu couple reputation went to utter shit back in 2019. But after keeping quiet for like half a year, they were gathering evidence/data to take the guy to court.
This rumor was debunked after half a year of slander they had to face and the community turned on itself because they were all talking shit with no proof.
Here is the video of that situation. Stork and Jiyu take the guy to court and wins.
I assume your korean is better than mine, so maybe you can verify.
I don't know man at this point I think you just want to believe all this bullshit.
From what i remember they all met up after that incident and had drinks and apologized. Then after they even played spon team battles together after that incident. Like i said if they're meeting up for food and drinks in 2020 do you really think they have problems?
Anyway I'm so done with this you can believe what you want to believe.
I think the tier list on page 1 really shows the ridiculous skill gap in BW is. Those tier 5 guys get to 2400-2500 on ladder pretty easily and anyone who gets to that rank is pretty dam good. But above that there's still 4 other tiers and a still huge gap between tier 1 and 5. Amazing when you think about it.
On June 15 2020 23:01 staatbauhaus wrote: I dont know of Stork cheating.
But back in 2019 there was a big issue where his wife "cheated" on him. A high donation viewer came out saying he cheated with Jiyu behind Storks back and what not and the Stork/Jiyu couple reputation went to utter shit back in 2019. But after keeping quiet for like half a year, they were gathering evidence/data to take the guy to court.
This rumor was debunked after half a year of slander they had to face and the community turned on itself because they were all talking shit with no proof.
Here is the video of that situation. Stork and Jiyu take the guy to court and wins.
I assume your korean is better than mine, so maybe you can verify.
I don't know man at this point I think you just want to believe all this bullshit.
From what i remember they all met up after that incident and had drinks and apologized. Then after they even played spon team battles together after that incident. Like i said if they're meeting up for food and drinks in 2020 do you really think they have problems?
Anyway I'm so done with this you can believe what you want to believe.
I'm not even denying what you're saying. I'm glad if you want to prove me wrong, and after everything you've told me (about that dude making fake stories), you made me research more. If I can just limit my negative opinion of Stork on his constant whining, I'll be happy about it. I have no reason to have a bias for or against someone. I always respected Stork's game. But you just call it bullshit because they met for drinks lol, Jangbi just doesn't care at this point. He said that already. He's an introverted guy. Meanwhile, Stork's general personality leads me to believe these stories, but yeah, they could be fabricated. I'm not sure about that cheating story anymore. I initially just wanted to limit this to his whining and lack of effort, but you pushed me to talk about these stories. Seriously, look at the finals again when Jangbi wins. Look at Stork's reaction vs his other teammates...
On June 16 2020 01:14 Dante08 wrote: I think the tier list on page 1 really shows the ridiculous skill gap in BW is. Those tier 5 guys get to 2400-2500 on ladder pretty easily and anyone who gets to that rank is pretty dam good. But above that there's still 4 other tiers and a still huge gap between tier 1 and 5. Amazing when you think about it.
I think it's FBH who talked about the ladder points being meaningless for progamers. Like, the difference between S rank and progamers is just as large as a regular S rank gamer and like B or C. I don't remember what FBH said exactly but it was along those lines :D
On June 15 2020 23:01 staatbauhaus wrote: I dont know of Stork cheating.
But back in 2019 there was a big issue where his wife "cheated" on him. A high donation viewer came out saying he cheated with Jiyu behind Storks back and what not and the Stork/Jiyu couple reputation went to utter shit back in 2019. But after keeping quiet for like half a year, they were gathering evidence/data to take the guy to court.
This rumor was debunked after half a year of slander they had to face and the community turned on itself because they were all talking shit with no proof.
Here is the video of that situation. Stork and Jiyu take the guy to court and wins.
Ahhhh ok I know this. This is a different story by the way. This is about his wife cheating on him and it was proven to be false. That has nothing to do with Stork.
But again, it could be false, just going with what we have. But if you ask ME personally, I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who cheats on someone even once and even if they apologize for it.
Anyway... that's just my take and my info on it. Stork has reached a boiling point in my mind and that's what led me to my initial post. Some people like it, some don't but I felt like I needed to share this with the people. I've already received negative PMs, I'm sorry to you people who do not like this, I really am. Some people do like it and are happy to know more about these human beings.
I repeat. I will be ABSOLUTELY GLAD TO BE PROVEN WRONG. I have nothing but respect for starcraft and I want to it to live forever. I wish nothing but for Stork to be known as this whining and somewhat lazy but insanely talented protoss with a low apm but incredible decision-making. I am someone who can separate the person from the player. I was always a big fan of Flash despite the controversies surrounding him. I can appreciate how incredible of a player he is.
I wouldn't have talked about this if I didn't believe that their behavior could end up hurting starcraft as much as something like the match-fixing scandal did. They are at the head of starcraft, they are the players people will look up to for starcraft, they've got to be careful with what they do (in my opinion). This is important for the future of starcraft.
AfreecaTV said they wanted to go at least until ASL season 60 (!!!!). I think Stork bad mouthing them live for a league that is for the fans (a teamleague that everyone wanted) is something that I felt that definitely crossed the line (again...).
I can end this on a positive note by saying that this era of streaming made me appreciate the personality and general positive influence of many many ex-progamers. In particular, I've gained a lot of respect for: - Snow (helps growing the game, helps new players, interviews ex-gamers...) - Midas (forced into LoL to keep his stream alive, tried to delete his account because he wanted to stick to BW but he wasn't popular enough to continue streaming, so he made a new LoL account, I'm very happy that he is still dedicated to BW and being a coach and all, and the chinese starleague) - Larva (organizing tournaments, just fun/crazy personality, insanely dedicated and practices super hard, especially pushing the ZvT meta/strategies) - Zero, Best, hero, Light (all constantly getting better and becoming real prominent players who help shape the general quality of the games we are getting daily)
Not all is grim, sorry for the undertone of my initial post, I don't want to give this bad impression about the korean starcraft scene. The scene is definitely growing and most gamers are doing the right thing for starcraft to stay alive for a long time. I love you all, even Stork if most of what I said is proven to be fabricated (god I hope it is...). Cheers.
On June 15 2020 05:50 staatbauhaus wrote: 1. Afreeca tried to get old school progamers as coaches but they all declined so they asked if Stork can do it. At first he declined but they convinced him by telling him they'll make the point system balanced for him.
2. 2 days before the asl teamleague update they changed the rules on him so he his tier 1 and has to pick himself. Stork talks to admins to instead let him be 8th pick. After talking with other coaches and players, the admins agreed to this.
3. While all this is happening, Stork is closing the deal and settling terms with the sponsor he acquired.
4. On the day of the draft they flipped the script on him and not only is he self picked for tier 1, he's also 8th pick. 5. The terms and conditions he contracted with the sponsor is all fucked because of the last minute rule changes.
and wtf stork doesnt have high viewership cuz hes boring af (imo).
If he really was a piece of shit why do the other progamers always look for him for spon proleagues, why do they chill with him off stream, and visit his wife's clothing store to make purchases?
Stork has cheated on his girlfriend. So yeah, confirmed piece of shit. That information is public. Also, Stork has more influence than you think.
You're throwing in so much stuff I have no idea what's you're point. Why are you triggered? The group selection was highly debateable because of the before mentioned rules...
Basically calling out a respected player as "piece of shit" shouldve been a ban, since you don't even enlighten us with valid sources. And even if you do so, you can take the opportunity about being black mailed as well...
The state of Starcraft is the only thing that matters to me, more than my fandom. Look, Daniel, I like you, we talked before. Please, don't let your fandom get in the way though. You are obviously a fan of Stork. I am a fan of Starcraft. I can change my favorite player whenever I want, I don't get attached to any athlete, music band, players or celebrities. I let their art/play amaze me and limit it at that. I don't claim to be better than you because of this, that's just what I personally do to avoid disappointment. Savior and Last disappointed me. I always liked Stork and was hoping he would do well for Protoss' sake. Jangbi happened to do just that by proving the strength of Protoss and my reaction after all this was that it bred jealousy inside Stork for not being the most prominent Protoss of Samsung Khan anymore. Just my thoughts, could be wrong.
And I wasn't serious when I used "piece of shit", it was just because I quoted the other post so I used the same words lol. I would use different and more specific words if I wanted to call someone out. Maybe I should have quoted that myself when I replied.
On June 15 2020 23:01 staatbauhaus wrote: I dont know of Stork cheating.
But back in 2019 there was a big issue where his wife "cheated" on him. A high donation viewer came out saying he cheated with Jiyu behind Storks back and what not and the Stork/Jiyu couple reputation went to utter shit back in 2019. But after keeping quiet for like half a year, they were gathering evidence/data to take the guy to court.
This rumor was debunked after half a year of slander they had to face and the community turned on itself because they were all talking shit with no proof.
Here is the video of that situation. Stork and Jiyu take the guy to court and wins.
Ahhhh ok I know this. This is a different story by the way. This is about his wife cheating on him and it was proven to be false. That has nothing to do with Stork.
But again, it could be false, just going with what we have. But if you ask ME personally, I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who cheats on someone even once and even if they apologize for it.
Anyway... that's just my take and my info on it. Stork has reached a boiling point in my mind and that's what led me to my initial post. Some people like it, some don't but I felt like I needed to share this with the people. I've already received negative PMs, I'm sorry to you people who do not like this, I really am. Some people do like it and are happy to know more about these human beings.
I repeat. I will be ABSOLUTELY GLAD TO BE PROVEN WRONG. I have nothing but respect for starcraft and I want to it to live forever. I wish nothing but for Stork to be known as this whining and somewhat lazy but insanely talented protoss with a low apm but incredible decision-making. I am someone who can separate the person from the player. I was always a big fan of Flash despite the controversies surrounding him. I can appreciate how incredible of a player he is.
I wouldn't have talked about this if I didn't believe that their behavior could end up hurting starcraft as much as something like the match-fixing scandal did. They are at the head of starcraft, they are the players people will look up to for starcraft, they've got to be careful with what they do (in my opinion). This is important for the future of starcraft.
AfreecaTV said they wanted to go at least until ASL season 60 (!!!!). I think Stork bad mouthing them live for a league that is for the fans (a teamleague that everyone wanted) is something that I felt that definitely crossed the line (again...).
I can end this on a positive note by saying that this era of streaming made me appreciate the personality and general positive influence of many many ex-progamers. In particular, I've gained a lot of respect for: - Snow (helps growing the game, helps new players, interviews ex-gamers...) - Midas (forced into LoL to keep his stream alive, tried to delete his account because he wanted to stick to BW but he wasn't popular enough to continue streaming, so he made a new LoL account, I'm very happy that he is still dedicated to BW and being a coach and all, and the chinese starleague) - Larva (organizing tournaments, just fun/crazy personality, insanely dedicated and practices super hard, especially pushing the ZvT meta/strategies) - Zero, Best, hero, Light (all constantly getting better and becoming real prominent players who help shape the general quality of the games we are getting daily)
Not all is grim, sorry for the undertone of my initial post, I don't want to give this bad impression about the korean starcraft scene. The scene is definitely growing and most gamers are doing the right thing for starcraft to stay alive for a long time. I love you all, even Stork if most of what I said is proven to be fabricated (god I hope it is...). Cheers.
No its okay. If there is something related to ongoing league it deserves to be bought up because even though it would be just Stork boiling up akin Last when he lost to Effort and had a breakdown during stream, it means the dynamic of this league has been affected. I see no reason for pm- attack come on, Essebee just wanted to share flavor to this situation ☹️
On June 16 2020 02:25 A.Alm wrote: Wait, what did Last do? lol
Nothing super drastic. Just not playing seriously anymore and bullying lower ranked people on ladder on his youtube channel. Kind of like "trolling" but more mean (typing bad stuff ingame)? It could make new players leave starcraft if they keep getting bullied like this imo, so I don't appreciate him doing this, I think it hurts the future of starcraft too but I'm more disappointed in him not playing in the ASL anymore lol. I really liked him (3-0 flash anyone? :D).
On June 15 2020 23:01 staatbauhaus wrote: I dont know of Stork cheating.
But back in 2019 there was a big issue where his wife "cheated" on him. A high donation viewer came out saying he cheated with Jiyu behind Storks back and what not and the Stork/Jiyu couple reputation went to utter shit back in 2019. But after keeping quiet for like half a year, they were gathering evidence/data to take the guy to court.
This rumor was debunked after half a year of slander they had to face and the community turned on itself because they were all talking shit with no proof.
Here is the video of that situation. Stork and Jiyu take the guy to court and wins.
Ahhhh ok I know this. This is a different story by the way. This is about his wife cheating on him and it was proven to be false. That has nothing to do with Stork.
But again, it could be false, just going with what we have. But if you ask ME personally, I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who cheats on someone even once and even if they apologize for it.
Anyway... that's just my take and my info on it. Stork has reached a boiling point in my mind and that's what led me to my initial post. Some people like it, some don't but I felt like I needed to share this with the people. I've already received negative PMs, I'm sorry to you people who do not like this, I really am. Some people do like it and are happy to know more about these human beings.
I repeat. I will be ABSOLUTELY GLAD TO BE PROVEN WRONG. I have nothing but respect for starcraft and I want to it to live forever. I wish nothing but for Stork to be known as this whining and somewhat lazy but insanely talented protoss with a low apm but incredible decision-making. I am someone who can separate the person from the player. I was always a big fan of Flash despite the controversies surrounding him. I can appreciate how incredible of a player he is.
I wouldn't have talked about this if I didn't believe that their behavior could end up hurting starcraft as much as something like the match-fixing scandal did. They are at the head of starcraft, they are the players people will look up to for starcraft, they've got to be careful with what they do (in my opinion). This is important for the future of starcraft.
AfreecaTV said they wanted to go at least until ASL season 60 (!!!!). I think Stork bad mouthing them live for a league that is for the fans (a teamleague that everyone wanted) is something that I felt that definitely crossed the line (again...).
I can end this on a positive note by saying that this era of streaming made me appreciate the personality and general positive influence of many many ex-progamers. In particular, I've gained a lot of respect for: - Snow (helps growing the game, helps new players, interviews ex-gamers...) - Midas (forced into LoL to keep his stream alive, tried to delete his account because he wanted to stick to BW but he wasn't popular enough to continue streaming, so he made a new LoL account, I'm very happy that he is still dedicated to BW and being a coach and all, and the chinese starleague) - Larva (organizing tournaments, just fun/crazy personality, insanely dedicated and practices super hard, especially pushing the ZvT meta/strategies) - Zero, Best, hero, Light (all constantly getting better and becoming real prominent players who help shape the general quality of the games we are getting daily)
Not all is grim, sorry for the undertone of my initial post, I don't want to give this bad impression about the korean starcraft scene. The scene is definitely growing and most gamers are doing the right thing for starcraft to stay alive for a long time. I love you all, even Stork if most of what I said is proven to be fabricated (god I hope it is...). Cheers.
No its okay. If there is something related to ongoing league it deserves to be bought up because even though it would be just Stork boiling up akin Last when he lost to Effort and had a breakdown during stream, it means the dynamic of this league has been affected. I see no reason for pm- attack come on, Essebee just wanted to share flavor to this situation ☹️
Thanks for the kind words. I just wish I didn't have to go in details, but yeah, got pushed a bit, but I'm glad some people appreciate the information at least. I'm trying to leave my personal bias out of this and try to give as many "facts" as I can but I know myself that some of the information I provide could be fabricated. I should have specified that initially. I only blame myself for this.
I appreciate staatbauhaus' posts because I'd love for him to prove me wrong, for real, I hope Stork isn't as bad as I've seen/read. No hard feelings lol. He called me out and made me research my claims a bit more and I learned from this. I didn't get proven wrong yet but it's important for me to have something to back up my claims.
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