On June 16 2020 02:25 A.Alm wrote: Wait, what did Last do? lol
Oh I meant that stream after ASL 6 match with Effort where Last tried to explain how he felt after all online harass and declining health. Midway he broke down and started crying and had to turn stream down.
Ok just checked the story, I will go back on my words and say sorry for my opinion about Last. During the ASL6, he played in the semifinals against Effort and Effort beat him 3-2 at that time. After the match, korean people spammed his stream with "tesagi" and he tried to contain his emotions and said he took painkillers to endure the pain in his wrist and still play in the ASL and people wouldn't recognize his efforts (pun intended) and just blame the terran race for him being able to go that far. All of this despite Last being a well known hard worker. And you know who happened to push the "tesagi" agenda (it was not really a big thing before the afreecatv era)? Mr. "I play world of warcraft and don't want to practice" himself. Here is the youtube video with all the negative comments as proof:
Summary of some of the negative comments on that video (translated with paraphrasing...): - This is the top rated comment: "Stop making excuses and pretend you've never said that. You will never understand Last because you've never made as much efforts as he did." - "I rarely make negative comments, but this video is truly disgusting" - "Why do you suddenly pretend like you've never said tesagi? After Shuttle, you are the worst offender." - "Someone is crying and really sad, and you guys are laughing and joking like this? You always keep making excuses too." - "Why did you even upload this video? You just want to make money with this, right?" - "I can't believe you are in your thirties, you act like a teenager." - "You guys can't play, just look at how much people like Flash and Last practice, it's insane" - "When you beat Fantasy in the Incruit OSL, it was all your skills, but then after that when you lose against the same guy (who probably practiced and studied the matchup...), suddenly it's all about tesagi?" - "Stork you disgusting loser, why don't you play Terran instead of Protoss? Tell me." - "I regret ever cheering for you." - "The TaekBbangLeeSsang name is too much for you. Among them, you are the only one with that kind of loser mentality."
And many similar comments...
It should be known that many Stork's videos have comments turned off, I'm surprised this one hasn't.
You people wanted proof? There's your proof.
So, despite Last crying and being bullied by tons of fans, no one seemed to want to apologize and even doubled down on it and didn't want to admit their fault (Or try to help the guy? They even fucking laugh in the video). That's why he's not gonna play in the ASL again. I won't call Stork any names, you already all know my opinion on the guy. And Sea, oh well, I'm not even gonna start on him, but let's just say that he has his own reputation already.
Not only this, but both Sea and Stork laugh at Last taking detailed notes about the TvZ matchup because they say they don't do this themselves (what a surprise) and think it's ridiculous. Let that be clear, THEY LAUGH AT HIM FOR TRYING TO WIN GAMES AND BE BETTER.
I'm actually fucking pissed off. I was a fan of Last, he left and then I saw his youtube videos and thought he became a dick for no reason. But now I am actually real triggered about Stork.
Thanks for doing the research and bringing this to our attention. That's pretty terrible behaviour if that's the case. I already knew about Sea's history, but all this new information about Stork (always knew he was a whiner from way back lol) sheds light on who he really is. I'm also sad that Last is not around anymore and never realized the reason till you posted this information so thanks again.
On June 16 2020 11:01 staatbauhaus wrote: LOL all this proves is you take things at face value and you understand 0 about Afreeca streaming culture. The way Sea handled it is the epitome of 방방봐, 채채봐. You gotta gain viewers 민심 by being lighthearted. Afreeca was and is still like that till this day. If he went all serious and told viewers to stop saying tesagi, the flaming/trolling would have gotten 100x worse for Last.
You can go look up anyone that has fucked up and had a "새탁" stream. It's just the person getting roasted nonstop until the viewers finally feel like its okay and time to move on.
Ok, but why are the comments so negative on that video? That's what just makes no logic to me. Are you saying that ALL these koreans are unaware of that "afreeca streaming culture"? Bullying someone for playing starcraft is part of a culture? I know what you mean but I just fail to grasp the logic with everything you've told me and what I've seen.
Are you saying that most korean viewers also don't understand that streaming culture? Genuinely curious.
Because there is something called 감성 in korea streaming culture. Twitch vs youtube vs afreeca vs popcorn.
Afreeca is hardcore/stupid/immmature to Korean youtube fans while Afreeca fans think youtube fans are too 십선비 which is like way to PC, and can't take a joke, stick up their ass. So they conflict a lot. Chul9 recently explained the difference between afreeca and youtube viewers briefly, i'll try to look for that clip.
This might be off topic but I've been re-watching ASL casts recently because you know they're worth re-watching I watched whatever ASL group it was where Nada almost beat Lava by nuking his sunkens, What a fucking game! So desperate. Anyway it just made me think Where's Nada? he's not participating in this? What's he up to? Maybe he has other commitments, maybe he just doesn't want part of it for whatever reason. But he'd have made a great coach for this.
On June 16 2020 11:30 staatbauhaus wrote: Because there is something called 감성 in korea streaming culture. Twitch vs youtube vs afreeca vs popcorn.
Afreeca is hardcore/stupid/immmature to Korean youtube fans while Afreeca fans think youtube fans are too 십선비 which is like way to PC, and can't take a joke, stick up their ass. So they conflict a lot. Chul9 recently explained the difference between afreeca and youtube viewers briefly, i'll try to look for that clip.
Ok I see, thanks for the explanation. I've seen that FBH and Flash really dislike that culture, am I right?
On June 16 2020 11:43 Greg_J wrote: This might be off topic but I've been re-watching ASL casts recently because you know they're worth re-watching I watched whatever ASL group it was where Nada almost beat Lava by nuking his sunkens, What a fucking game! So desperate. Anyway it just made me think Where's Nada? he's not participating in this? What's he up to? Maybe he has other commitments, maybe he just doesn't want part of it for whatever reason. But he'd have made a great coach for this.
Lmao, don't say you are off topic. I am off topic. Nada is mostly playing UMS, I don't think he's "trying" in BW anymore.
On June 16 2020 02:25 A.Alm wrote: Wait, what did Last do? lol
Oh I meant that stream after ASL 6 match with Effort where Last tried to explain how he felt after all online harass and declining health. Midway he broke down and started crying and had to turn stream down.
Ok just checked the story, I will go back on my words and say sorry for my opinion about Last. During the ASL6, he played in the semifinals against Effort and Effort beat him 3-2 at that time. After the match, korean people spammed his stream with "tesagi" and he tried to contain his emotions and said he took painkillers to endure the pain in his wrist and still play in the ASL and people wouldn't recognize his efforts (pun intended) and just blame the terran race for him being able to go that far. All of this despite Last being a well known hard worker. And you know who happened to push the "tesagi" agenda (it was not really a big thing before the afreecatv era)? Mr. "I play world of warcraft and don't want to practice" himself. Here is the youtube video with all the negative comments as proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NwIMRRgIcY&fbclid=IwAR25dZQoDbFpDBdx32nTjIiDe8_EzKdDBK__sM7K7dF7a2GyinWdV2xCaDE
Summary of some of the negative comments on that video (translated with paraphrasing...): - This is the top rated comment: "Stop making excuses and pretend you've never said that. You will never understand Last because you've never made as much efforts as he did." - "I rarely make negative comments, but this video is truly disgusting" - "Why do you suddenly pretend like you've never said tesagi? After Shuttle, you are the worst offender." - "Someone is crying and really sad, and you guys are laughing and joking like this? You always keep making excuses too." - "Why did you even upload this video? You just want to make money with this, right?" - "I can't believe you are in your thirties, you act like a teenager." - "You guys can't play, just look at how much people like Flash and Last practice, it's insane" - "When you beat Fantasy in the Incruit OSL, it was all your skills, but then after that when you lose against the same guy (who probably practiced and studied the matchup...), suddenly it's all about tesagi?" - "Stork you disgusting loser, why don't you play Terran instead of Protoss? Tell me." - "I regret ever cheering for you." - "The TaekBbangLeeSsang name is too much for you. Among them, you are the only one with that kind of loser mentality."
And many similar comments...
It should be known that many Stork's videos have comments turned off, I'm surprised this one hasn't.
You people wanted proof? There's your proof.
So, despite Last crying and being bullied by tons of fans, no one seemed to want to apologize and even doubled down on it and didn't want to admit their fault (Or try to help the guy? They even fucking laugh in the video). That's why he's not gonna play in the ASL again. I won't call Stork any names, you already all know my opinion on the guy. And Sea, oh well, I'm not even gonna start on him, but let's just say that he has his own reputation already.
Not only this, but both Sea and Stork laugh at Last taking detailed notes about the TvZ matchup because they say they don't do this themselves (what a surprise) and think it's ridiculous. Let that be clear, THEY LAUGH AT HIM FOR TRYING TO WIN GAMES AND BE BETTER.
I'm actually fucking pissed off. I was a fan of Last, he left and then I saw his youtube videos and thought he became a dick for no reason. But now I am actually real triggered about Stork.
Thanks for doing the research and bringing this to our attention. That's pretty terrible behaviour if that's the case. I already knew about Sea's history, but all this new information about Stork (always knew he was a whiner from way back lol) sheds light on who he really is. I'm also sad that Last is not around anymore and never realized the reason till you posted this information so thanks again.
But you know, Last won ASL 7. The true reason is that his hands are just so messed up, he cannot play seriously anymore. Last had a lot of these kinds of breakdowns in between KSL 2 and ASL 7. During that one teamleague where he was paired with JyJ and ggaemon (and Cadenzie if I remember correctly) he went in full rage mode during draft and had to apologize. Now this we know already, during ASL7, KSL3 and ASL8 Last goes to hospital daily, we see him having again that 350-400 apm against Sharp Rain and Mini. Then during ASL8 he has under 200 apm...
So if it is just fun and entertaiment, then at least we have examples like Jaedong and Last who ruined their health and gaming ability in order to still win. Then you have likes of Sea... Maybe its the streaming culture and something we nonkoreans just dont get. Now Last cannot even play spongames nor take part of teamleagues because his hands are so badly messed up. Sorry for this wall of text.
On June 16 2020 11:43 Greg_J wrote: This might be off topic but I've been re-watching ASL casts recently because you know they're worth re-watching I watched whatever ASL group it was where Nada almost beat Lava by nuking his sunkens, What a fucking game! So desperate. Anyway it just made me think Where's Nada? he's not participating in this? What's he up to? Maybe he has other commitments, maybe he just doesn't want part of it for whatever reason. But he'd have made a great coach for this.
I also said that,he would be really great coach as he is genius player with great mechanic and tactics! But im sure he could play also,when i remember that match against Larva from 2019 he almost destroyed one of the best zergs in modern BW,he was litteraly 1 second away from that! I know he develop games today and he streaming sometimes PUBG i think...Would be nice if someone have more information about NaDa,really would love to see him more involved in BW,such a great player!
Any info about Tastosis casting this ASL team league?
Tasteless mentioned during one of his streams that they were not asked to cast this. And that is probably due to budgets, or smthn, because they, as casters, need to be paid for casting. I think that sponsors either don't have the budget or don't think it is a good investment.
Iron Curtain! My favorite 2v2 map. Me and my clanmate used to win that one on clanwars regularly. Such a great map, and so many abuses that you can do.
On June 16 2020 16:50 lamarine wrote: Tasteless mentioned during one of his streams that they were not asked to cast this. And that is probably due to budgets, or smthn, because they, as casters, need to be paid for casting. I think that sponsors either don't have the budget or don't think it is a good investment.
Dont have budget to pay two guys to cast games so everyone outside of Korea (rest of the world) can watch and understand? :D I dont wanna believe in that,im sure they will cast games!
I don't even care if it will be Tastosis who casts this.. may be even someone else, anyone really.. the most important thing is that we have an english cast from this huge event
On June 16 2020 16:50 lamarine wrote: Tasteless mentioned during one of his streams that they were not asked to cast this. And that is probably due to budgets, or smthn, because they, as casters, need to be paid for casting. I think that sponsors either don't have the budget or don't think it is a good investment.
It's probably sadly true that any potential revenue from an English stream wouldn't match the cost of paying the guys to cast it. But I hope the event takes off anyway.
On June 16 2020 11:43 Greg_J wrote: This might be off topic but I've been re-watching ASL casts recently because you know they're worth re-watching I watched whatever ASL group it was where Nada almost beat Lava by nuking his sunkens, What a fucking game! So desperate. Anyway it just made me think Where's Nada? he's not participating in this? What's he up to? Maybe he has other commitments, maybe he just doesn't want part of it for whatever reason. But he'd have made a great coach for this.
I also said that,he would be really great coach as he is genius player with great mechanic and tactics! But im sure he could play also,when i remember that match against Larva from 2019 he almost destroyed one of the best zergs in modern BW,he was litteraly 1 second away from that! I know he develop games today and he streaming sometimes PUBG i think...Would be nice if someone have more information about NaDa,really would love to see him more involved in BW,such a great player!
Any info about Tastosis casting this ASL team league?
Sorry if I missed your previous comment. But yeah, if he doesn't have the mechanics and speed anymore he sure has the brain for it. I'd love to see him sending rookies out with crazy schemes to bring down the mighty players they are up against.
It's obvious that we foreigners really, really want Tastosis to be casting this. Most of us are older and have a job. I think AfreecaTV should put up events for these types of tournaments (KCM, ASL, ASL Team League, etc) like a month in advance where we can pay x dollars to subscribe for the content and if the goal is reached they get to cast, else ppl get their money back and it's cancelled. This is prob easier said than done but currently we are getting ASL content for free, and i think they can make more money of tastosis casting, which means we also get more of it. Win win.
Whats stoping him from making an afreeca stream and start building his path?apart from cadenzie idk any foreigner broodwar player streaming on afreeca residing in Korea.I think he should jump and take this opportunity.
On June 16 2020 19:21 GTR wrote: don't forget nyoken lives in korea now. surely he should be considered as he literally moved to korea to try and pursue opportunities.
On June 16 2020 19:21 GTR wrote: don't forget nyoken lives in korea now. surely he should be considered as he literally moved to korea to try and pursue opportunities.
Tastosis is on another level of casting! Cadenzie know much about BW and thats a fact,but my ears hurt when i try to listen hear mumble. Rapid scream all the time durint the cast like a girl,No regret is not BW guy and Nyoken is ok,but non of them come near Tastosis and thats a fact!
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