On July 18 2020 21:30 Ziggy wrote: a company doesn't want to spend resources on something that generates literally no return on investment? wow, ok
I dont know, is that really no return at all ? Wouldn't Gillette be interested to advertise to foreigners, too ? Are we really so few that it's not worth it ?
I'm guessing this is a sponsorship by Gillette Korea, so yes, they likely don't care about reaching one or two hundred live viewers elsewhere in the world which can't buy their product. Commercially speaking, the foreign audience is unfortunately completely negligible, so your entitled attitude is misguided at best.
Not so long ago, AfreecaTV used to provide both [ENG] and [KOR] ASL VODs on youtube. At that time, the number of views on english VODs was about 20% of the korean VODs. Hiring 2 casters to reach 20% more audience sounds like a good deal to me, but maybe I'm missing something.
On July 18 2020 21:30 Ziggy wrote: a company doesn't want to spend resources on something that generates literally no return on investment? wow, ok
I dont know, is that really no return at all ? Wouldn't Gillette be interested to advertise to foreigners, too ? Are we really so few that it's not worth it ?
I'm guessing this is a sponsorship by Gillette Korea, so yes, they likely don't care about reaching one or two hundred live viewers elsewhere in the world which can't buy their product. Commercially speaking, the foreign audience is unfortunately completely negligible, so your entitled attitude is misguided at best.
Yea, that's why there was no English casts for ASL and KSL you muppet.
On July 18 2020 21:30 Ziggy wrote: a company doesn't want to spend resources on something that generates literally no return on investment? wow, ok
I dont know, is that really no return at all ? Wouldn't Gillette be interested to advertise to foreigners, too ? Are we really so few that it's not worth it ?
I'm guessing this is a sponsorship by Gillette Korea, so yes, they likely don't care about reaching one or two hundred live viewers elsewhere in the world which can't buy their product. Commercially speaking, the foreign audience is unfortunately completely negligible, so your entitled attitude is misguided at best.
Not so long ago, AfreecaTV used to provide both [ENG] and [KOR] ASL VODs on youtube. At that time, the number of views on english VODs was about 20% of the korean VODs. Hiring 2 casters to reach 20% more audience sounds like a good deal to me, but maybe I'm missing something.
Is this true at all?
Like 20k+ or whatever would watch britney watch asl alone. Many koreans watched asl through other popular streamers, plus they can more readily watch live so less would watch the vods, theres no way the english audience is 20% of the korean audience.
*Edit first portion- the asl s9 vods did better than i thought, looked like 60k - 100k views on them*
This is all USA math, but for a "free" stream:
A median salary in Seoul is like $18 USD per hour, making math simple and lowballing say 1 english caster costs $100 for the gig (say, audio only english cast, no camera person, no makeup, etc).
Quick google seatch is like ad views/youtube creators can get paid $20 per 1000 ad views (rounding up), or about $3 to $5 per actual 1000 views. If thats the going rate advertisers use in paying content creators, gillette/afreeca need like 10,000 direct ad views that will actually have a revenue stream back to them to even break "even" on the generous math of 2 casters cost.
Consider also its likely the viewers are 90% the same week over week, so the return per viewer declines. If the english audience paid subcriptions (like twitch) or paid balloons (afreeca), afreeca could have incentive for a smaller audience retention, but the audience is too small and the money isnt there as people dont pay any premium.
And all that comes at at the opportunity cost of spending that money elsewhere for afreeca or the sponsor -- gillette digital advertising on afreeca could reach more audience dumping a random ad on some korean chick streamer than paying a professional english studio stream. That may even be true for the korean starcraft stream, but there is incentive for afreeca/sponsor to host a broodwar event as it is very popular currently and also supports diverse content for the platform.
That all said, i do hope the playoffs or finals of this league throws on an official english cast. Finals can draw in more viewers, and probably almost all the viewers watching now will also watch the finals.
Most us wants to donate the English stream but don't know how or work the extra effect. If TL setup some kind donation PayPal for the western and represents us to donate to afreeca English stream. I m sure a lot of ppl will tip in.
On July 19 2020 13:55 End1esss wrote: Most us wants to donate the English stream but don't know how or work the extra effect. If TL setup some kind donation PayPal for the western and represents us to donate to afreeca English stream. I m sure a lot of ppl will tip in.
On July 19 2020 13:55 End1esss wrote: Most us wants to donate the English stream but don't know how or work the extra effect. If TL setup some kind donation PayPal for the western and represents us to donate to afreeca English stream. I m sure a lot of ppl will tip in.
For a proper English stream with any of Tasteless / Artosis / Nyoken, I would donate for sure.
On July 06 2020 20:02 Ziggy wrote: i dunno, so far id say its criminally underwatched
at least compared to mpl
Yeah, and it is little surprise considering the lack of official English cast.
I personally stopped watching after eonzerg's last cast because: - afreeca stream does not work well - I have no idea who half of the players are - the level of play is obviously lower than ASL or other major tournaments - all the "team" stuff is pointless if you can't understand a word of what the players say - I am clueless about pro strategies in 2v2 / 3v3
All of this could be fixed with proper English cast, ideally on YouTube. Tasteless has stated multiple times that he was interested. I don't see any reason it would get less audience than regular ASL, because honestly, the tournament looks great.
But as it is, it seems one really needs to be a hardcore fan to enjoy it as a foreigner :-(
I dont get why you dont know who is playing...all players have their nick name besides their korean name (at least in game). The announcer gives both the team and player english/romanized version in the introduction (besides, neither Eon nor tastosis would give a lot more info on these new, lesser known players...you would end up searching for them in LP anyway). "the level of play is lower" is mostly subjective, as we have had a lot of cool games already, despite some duds. Besides, apart from ASL dont know which "major" tournaments are there tbh that give you this idea.
What makes you think any caster wouldnt be as clueless as you in "pro" 2v2 and 3v3? Apart from 2v2 in very old PL, its not like there was a proper foreign competitive scene for this. But if you are good enough in 1v1(I assume since it is not mentioned as something missing anywhere in your post), Im pretty sure you have already seen a shift and quite a few adjustments in the latest 2v2/3v3 in comparison to the first week of the league.
It would be cool to have english cast yes, but the sentiment going on in this thread by a few people is, IMHO, not fair. Afreeca is doing great by giving us a team league that so many of us craved for so long to have back. If it grows enough and shows potential to other sponsors, maybe in the future it can be worth it and make sense to them to have an english cast. For now, be happy there is a team league and new games to watch despite being 2020.
On July 19 2020 13:55 End1esss wrote: Most us wants to donate the English stream but don't know how or work the extra effect. If TL setup some kind donation PayPal for the western and represents us to donate to afreeca English stream. I m sure a lot of ppl will tip in.
I would
StarCastTV is worth a look. They have a patreon to support their stuff. FlashFTW is doing a great job and it’s a massive treat when Nyoken pops in. If that got bigger might turn people onto the foreigner interest.
On July 06 2020 20:02 Ziggy wrote: i dunno, so far id say its criminally underwatched
at least compared to mpl
Yeah, and it is little surprise considering the lack of official English cast.
I personally stopped watching after eonzerg's last cast because: - afreeca stream does not work well - I have no idea who half of the players are - the level of play is obviously lower than ASL or other major tournaments - all the "team" stuff is pointless if you can't understand a word of what the players say - I am clueless about pro strategies in 2v2 / 3v3
All of this could be fixed with proper English cast, ideally on YouTube. Tasteless has stated multiple times that he was interested. I don't see any reason it would get less audience than regular ASL, because honestly, the tournament looks great.
But as it is, it seems one really needs to be a hardcore fan to enjoy it as a foreigner :-(
I dont get why you dont know who is playing...all players have their nick name besides their korean name (at least in game). The announcer gives both the team and player english/romanized version in the introduction (besides, neither Eon nor tastosis would give a lot more info on these new, lesser known players...you would end up searching for them in LP anyway). "the level of play is lower" is mostly subjective, as we have had a lot of cool games already, despite some duds. Besides, apart from ASL dont know which "major" tournaments are there tbh that give you this idea.
What makes you think any caster wouldnt be as clueless as you in "pro" 2v2 and 3v3? Apart from 2v2 in very old PL, its not like there was a proper foreign competitive scene for this. But if you are good enough in 1v1(I assume since it is not mentioned as something missing anywhere in your post), Im pretty sure you have already seen a shift and quite a few adjustments in the latest 2v2/3v3 in comparison to the first week of the league.
It would be cool to have english cast yes, but the sentiment going on in this thread by a few people is, IMHO, not fair. Afreeca is doing great by giving us a team league that so many of us craved for so long to have back. If it grows enough and shows potential to other sponsors, maybe in the future it can be worth it and make sense to them to have an english cast. For now, be happy there is a team league and new games to watch despite being 2020.
Spot on 100%! I'm personally glad that we are getting a BW team league in 2020 and the players seem to be having a blast too. Only thing I would love to see is closer games, but I've only managed to watch the first couple of days so maybe things will get better as the best teams start to play each other.
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