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On December 12 2019 23:46 BlueStar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2019 22:54 WCG2003 wrote:On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote:On December 11 2019 13:32 WCG2003 wrote:
do you remember how many people on average used to watch proleague or msl/osl on television back in 2003-2011? wondering how it compares to asl ksl not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot. but do you have any idea what the tv ratings were? even if it's not an apples to apples comparison i'm still curious what they were. The advertising companies look into the TV audience in a completely different manner than what they see in the Internet broadcasts viewer count. The way viewers got engaged is vastly different. TV is mainstream. Twitch/afreeca are underground. The big companies are tempted to invest in TV ads hundreds of times more than in internet broadcasts. Not comparable at all. On the internet, you have control of what you see - if you don't like something you just close the tab and move to the next thing. On the TV you don't have control. Sure you can switch the channel, but the number of channels is finite - the chance of getting back to the show and continue watching it after the ads (for example) is incomparable.
He's right.
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On December 12 2019 23:46 BlueStar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2019 22:54 WCG2003 wrote:On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote:On December 11 2019 13:32 WCG2003 wrote:
do you remember how many people on average used to watch proleague or msl/osl on television back in 2003-2011? wondering how it compares to asl ksl not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot. but do you have any idea what the tv ratings were? even if it's not an apples to apples comparison i'm still curious what they were. The advertising companies look into the TV audience in a completely different manner than what they see in the Internet broadcasts viewer count. The way viewers got engaged is vastly different. TV is mainstream. Twitch/afreeca are underground. The big companies are tempted to invest in TV ads hundreds of times more than in internet broadcasts. Not comparable at all. On the internet, you have control of what you see - if you don't like something you just close the tab and move to the next thing. On the TV you don't have control. Sure you can switch the channel, but the number of channels is finite - the chance of getting back to the show and continue watching it after the ads (for example) is incomparable. im not trying to be rude here but i dont care how they compare to one another, I just want to know what the TV ratings were.
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On December 13 2019 01:47 WCG2003 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2019 23:46 BlueStar wrote:On December 12 2019 22:54 WCG2003 wrote:On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote:On December 11 2019 13:32 WCG2003 wrote:
do you remember how many people on average used to watch proleague or msl/osl on television back in 2003-2011? wondering how it compares to asl ksl not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot. but do you have any idea what the tv ratings were? even if it's not an apples to apples comparison i'm still curious what they were. The advertising companies look into the TV audience in a completely different manner than what they see in the Internet broadcasts viewer count. The way viewers got engaged is vastly different. TV is mainstream. Twitch/afreeca are underground. The big companies are tempted to invest in TV ads hundreds of times more than in internet broadcasts. Not comparable at all. On the internet, you have control of what you see - if you don't like something you just close the tab and move to the next thing. On the TV you don't have control. Sure you can switch the channel, but the number of channels is finite - the chance of getting back to the show and continue watching it after the ads (for example) is incomparable. im not trying to be rude here but i dont care how they compare to one another, I just want to know what the TV ratings were.
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On December 13 2019 01:47 WCG2003 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2019 23:46 BlueStar wrote:On December 12 2019 22:54 WCG2003 wrote:On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote:On December 11 2019 13:32 WCG2003 wrote:
do you remember how many people on average used to watch proleague or msl/osl on television back in 2003-2011? wondering how it compares to asl ksl not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot. but do you have any idea what the tv ratings were? even if it's not an apples to apples comparison i'm still curious what they were. The advertising companies look into the TV audience in a completely different manner than what they see in the Internet broadcasts viewer count. The way viewers got engaged is vastly different. TV is mainstream. Twitch/afreeca are underground. The big companies are tempted to invest in TV ads hundreds of times more than in internet broadcasts. Not comparable at all. On the internet, you have control of what you see - if you don't like something you just close the tab and move to the next thing. On the TV you don't have control. Sure you can switch the channel, but the number of channels is finite - the chance of getting back to the show and continue watching it after the ads (for example) is incomparable. im not trying to be rude here but i dont care how they compare to one another, I just want to know what the TV ratings were.
TV ratings averaged about 1.2~1.5%.
The figure, however, was the ratings of cable broadcasts, not terrestrial ones.
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On December 16 2019 12:28 Cruiser0929 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2019 01:47 WCG2003 wrote:On December 12 2019 23:46 BlueStar wrote:On December 12 2019 22:54 WCG2003 wrote:On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote:On December 11 2019 13:32 WCG2003 wrote:
do you remember how many people on average used to watch proleague or msl/osl on television back in 2003-2011? wondering how it compares to asl ksl not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot. but do you have any idea what the tv ratings were? even if it's not an apples to apples comparison i'm still curious what they were. The advertising companies look into the TV audience in a completely different manner than what they see in the Internet broadcasts viewer count. The way viewers got engaged is vastly different. TV is mainstream. Twitch/afreeca are underground. The big companies are tempted to invest in TV ads hundreds of times more than in internet broadcasts. Not comparable at all. On the internet, you have control of what you see - if you don't like something you just close the tab and move to the next thing. On the TV you don't have control. Sure you can switch the channel, but the number of channels is finite - the chance of getting back to the show and continue watching it after the ads (for example) is incomparable. im not trying to be rude here but i dont care how they compare to one another, I just want to know what the TV ratings were. TV ratings averaged about 1.2~1.5%. The figure, however, was the ratings of cable broadcasts, not terrestrial ones.
Do you mean terrestrial vs. satellite or vs. internet broadcast or? Sorry, I know that English is a difficult language, but some clarification would be nice 
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I did some googling and navering to understand words he meant. This is what I came up with.
Satellite broadcasting would be the case when people need to broadcast all over the world at once like Fifa World Cup, Olympic, any other big sports event.
Terrestrial broadcasting is an another word for public broadcasting that anyone can have access to watch on TV.
EX) SBS, KBS, MBC, EBS and so on.
I was able to watch ASL S6 S7 on TV channel somewhere like 'SPOTV Games' and probably because Afreeca signed the contract with KT Giga Internet w/e they have done with.
I personally watched nOOB taking out Mong on Sylphid on TV, not internet broadcasting.
Back to the question Jealous asked, I think he's talking about public broadcasting.
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i guess the numbers must have been really big back in the day for the public broadcasters to deem starcraft worthy of being shown on public channels. and this is like way back in the early 2000s, pretty progressive comparatively to most other developed countries that couldn't be bothered to care about esports even till now.
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BW was never on KBS/SBS/MBC... only time was when SBS did their tournament (boxers first ever tournament win).
to be honest though literally everyone in the metro areas had cable though, it was only the sticks that didn't have access to ogn/MBC. Also iirc there were a larger majority of cable providers that only offered mbcgame and not ogn and vice versa/both fwiw
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i can't see BW getting so popular in KR back in the day if its mostly tied down by heavy cable subscription fees...do urbanites with cable connection get to see the game channels for free or do their public tv packages complementarily include those channels already (like MBC +MBCgame)..
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i think it was primarily the cable connections the households had. whenever families got internet, most of them came with a cable subscription (or was very cheap to add on) so why the hell not get both.
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The TV was revolutionized in the past two decades if you compare 2000 to 2020...
TV providers had vastly different subscriptions and services overall then what it is today. Internet broadcasting was not available at all, there wasn't youtube even...
This whole thing is not like comparing apples to oranges,
it's like comparing elephants to apples.
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On December 16 2019 14:36 LaStScan wrote:I did some googling and navering to understand words he meant. This is what I came up with. Satellite broadcasting would be the case when people need to broadcast all over the world at once like Fifa World Cup, Olympic, any other big sports event. Terrestrial broadcasting is an another word for public broadcasting that anyone can have access to watch on TV. EX) SBS, KBS, MBC, EBS and so on. I was able to watch ASL S6 S7 on TV channel somewhere like 'SPOTV Games' and probably because Afreeca signed the contract with KT Giga Internet w/e they have done with. I personally watched nOOB taking out Mong on Sylphid on TV, not internet broadcasting. Back to the question Jealous asked, I think he's talking about public broadcasting.
Thanks Scan! This makes a lot of sense.
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So I heard that NaDa works out and has a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but I cant find it.
I tried googling image "nada's body" but I couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of his nice body, where can I find it?
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On December 17 2019 05:38 ninazerg wrote:
So I heard that NaDa works out and has a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but I cant find it.
I tried googling image "nada's body" but I couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of his nice body, where can I find it?
lmao
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/100673-nadas-body
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On December 16 2019 15:44 GTR wrote:
BW was never on KBS/SBS/MBC... only time was when SBS did their tournament (boxers first ever tournament win).
to be honest though literally everyone in the metro areas had cable though, it was only the sticks that didn't have access to ogn/MBC. Also iirc there were a larger majority of cable providers that only offered mbcgame and not ogn and vice versa/both fwiw
I might as well need to understand broadcasting system more if my words are wrong. But when i looked up, every tv channel is 지상파(land line connection broadcasting). They dont broadcast through satellite for sure. Other tv channels like SPOTV, JTBC, Sky Petpark, and more, arent they also categorized as 지상파?
That's how i understood.
1st edit: okay, im wrong all about this. KBS1 KBS2 EBS MBC SBS are 지상파 tv channels.
Now im questioning my self "what about other 200 of tv channels?" What are they categorized as? Hmm.
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On December 17 2019 09:40 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2019 15:44 GTR wrote:
BW was never on KBS/SBS/MBC... only time was when SBS did their tournament (boxers first ever tournament win).
to be honest though literally everyone in the metro areas had cable though, it was only the sticks that didn't have access to ogn/MBC. Also iirc there were a larger majority of cable providers that only offered mbcgame and not ogn and vice versa/both fwiw I might as well need to understand broadcasting system more if my words are wrong. But when i looked up, every tv channel is 지상파(land line connection broadcasting). They dont broadcast through satellite for sure. Other tv channels like SPOTV, JTBC, Sky Petpark, and more, arent they also categorized as 지상파? That's how i understood. 1st edit: okay, im wrong all about this. KBS1 KBS2 EBS MBC SBS are 지상파 tv channels. Now im questioning my self "what about other 200 of tv channels?" What are they categorized as? Hmm.
Lets compare it to how it is in the USA:
Terrestial/Free-to-air - ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS
Cable - ESPN, FX, Comedy Central, MTV, HBO, Showtime
In that case, Korea would be like;
Terrestial/Free-to-air - KBS/KBS2, MBC, SBS, EBS
Cable - OGN, JTBC, SPOTV
With how subscription packages are done these days and technological advances, you can pretty much access cable channels through IPTV and vice versa. Back in the day, I remember MBCgame was the only 'esports' channel that was accessible through satellite in Korea (Skylife) which is why it had a wider outreach than OnGameNet.
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Thanks for the QA and welcome to the community. I know you touched on this, but there hasn't been any further info on when Jaedong is leaving for the military. Is that right?
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Has Best ever explained why his macro is so good or famous?
I once joked that he was chained to a TV playing oov vs. Reach on Mercury until he could max at record time but I want to know the real story.
Second question: What is the best way to get in touch with a progamer for a foreign fan?
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I'm hearing ByuL(Kang, Taewan) bet his money on gambling website and got caught so he'll be excluded from sponbbang list. This is sad. I heard he became a civil servant for the police department. That's gonna be a harm.
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On December 18 2019 12:33 LaStScan wrote:
I'm hearing ByuL(Kang, Taewan) bet his money on gambling website and got caught so he'll be excluded from sponbbang list. This is sad. I heard he became a civil servant for the police department. That's gonna be a harm.
where is the source website of that announcement? don't see it from the main sponbbang.com page and byul's name is still recorded there
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