Hello to foreign StarCraft fans. - Page 7

On December 11 2019 09:56 Entaro[AoV] wrote:
Why is Rain not playing much starcraft recently? What does his future in SC look like?

On December 11 2019 12:58 Cruiser0929 wrote:


The reason why Rain doesn't play Starcraft is very complex.

He is looking far into the future.

He wants to expand his career through other games.

Starcraft's malign fans say they are also tired.

Maybe he won't play Starcraft for a while.

On December 11 2019 14:18 Oya187 wrote:
Why doesnt Rain have to join the military?

On December 10 2019 07:06 Cruiser0929 wrote:



I agree with you in general. But I have a question.

As far as I know, the "2Hatchery Mutal" build order at T vs. Z was informed by "Pitbulterrier" to "soma."
It is more accurate because he mentioned it in person.

That "2Hatchery Mutal" changed the paradigm of T vs. Z.

Many of the top players, including "Zero" and "Action," also sought advice on "Soma"dprp "2Hatchery Mutal."

So what is the contribution of "Pitbuller"?

On December 11 2019 13:32 WCG2003 wrote:
do you remember how many people on average used to watch proleague or msl/osl on television back in 2003-2011? wondering how it compares to asl ksl

On December 11 2019 13:52 Chris_Havoc wrote:


This makes perfect sense considering Rain doesn't have to join the military.

Without that hanging over his head Rain has many options to pursue inside esports and maybe even other things like getting a girlfriend and maybe even starting a family.

On December 11 2019 15:40 LaStScan wrote:


If you are talking about 12 pool opening vs terran, that might be true because i've seen Pitbull doing 12 pool opening vs terran long ago.

Current ZvT Guardian Hydra opening is inspired by me(I'm Scan) and taught ZeLoT about this build 6 months ago. You can confirm with him as you feel like to.

This is what I found on ygosu and how people see player's strength in order.


English translation of the list.
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On December 12 2019 09:37 Cruiser0929 wrote:



I ranked them.

It was just a reason to play an introductory role to foreigners.

To be honest, I don't know the list you showed me.

After all, their recognition, their achievements, and career-highs, must support them.

There's a lot of talk about who's actually the best protoss gamer in Bisu, JangBi and Stork.

Among them, many people think Bisu is the best because he was a pioneer who changed the paradigm of Z vs. P.

To be honest, given the list you mentioned,

How many of Zerg amateur's TOP 5 do you think are memorable?

Many foreigners. No, not only foreigners but also Koreans think of Zerg amateur, but mostly "Soma" and "Zelot." I think he knows the degree of "iffy."

Amateurs will have different opinions.

I know that "Scan" you have a great deal of awareness among foreigners. Because you were communicating with foreigners through Twitch.

I would like to introduce Korean amateurs to foreigners.

"Zerg" amateurs thought "Soma," "Zelot" and "Pitbulterrier" were appropriate.

Because, as I said, "Soma" doesn't need to be explained.
"Zelot" is the most visible player in the recent ASL.
"Pitbulterrier" won the amateur league hosted by "Bisu" and passed on what you said was "12 pool opening" to "Soma."

I particularly appreciated this part.
Because the process of "Soma" struggling with Terran's "111"build, the process of anger.
One day, in the midst of a sudden and repeated defeat, I kept trying "2Hatchery Mutal" and finally changed the paradigm of "T vs. Z," all watching live. I appreciated the work of "Pitbullterrier."

And when I introduce Terran Amateur,
I thought #1 Shinee, #2 Byul, #3 Scan.

But "Scan" you've only recommended "Bishop" because you've already been a known player to many foreigners. He has recently been doing well against "Shinee" and said "Light" is also a tough opponent in a showdown with "Bishop."

Frankly speaking, I agree that the strongest Protoss amateurs are "KEH."

But I don't want to introduce him to foreigners when I think of his personality. So I excluded it.

The same goes for "P Sang-hyun, Kim Han-byul." They were actually mentioned in gamers' voice chatting and picked as amateurs to be ignored along with "KEH."

Even "Kali" has been told that the ACS and ASL will not be able to participate in the game in the future as circumstantial evidence of illegal gambling has been detected.

I don't want to judge players by their skills alone.

No matter how good the players are, if they fail to prove themselves in a competition, it will be meaningless.

Also, I think it is quite shameful to introduce a gamer with a bad personality just because he is good at it.

The Korean proverb says, "As rice ripens, it bows down."

No matter how good they are, they mean nothing if they can't prove it at the competition and don't have courtesy.

But "Scan" you've only recommended "Bishop" because you've already been a known player to many foreigners. He has recently been doing well against "Shinee" and said "Light" is also a tough opponent in a showdown with "Bishop."

On December 12 2019 10:42 LaStScan wrote:


I got the list from ygosu when i searched "아마추어."

I don't know every single drama of amateurs that were made in the past, but I agree with you that players who have shown bad reputation should not be mentioned.

Currently Bishop seems doing well with his TvT and he is able to compete vs Shinee (although I only saw 1 game on sylphid). That's a one good step to start with but beating one specific player doesn't mean he has significantly improved.

We'll need to watch his improvement more and see his plays in the tournament.

Pitbull is doing great, he said he's going to put all of his effort in SC before he gets too old and stops playing SC early 2019. He would like to achieve something just like what Soma did for past 2 years.

btw, what do you mean of this sentences?

On December 12 2019 11:54 Cruiser0929 wrote:


That means you didn't comment separately because you are already a player known to many foreigners.
#1 Shinee #2 Byul, #3 Bishop

If you were involved,
#1 Shinee #2 Byul #3 Scan
I would have typed it like this.

In addition, I agree with you.

That's why I think their ranking is.

Zerg = #1 Soma (박상현) , #2 Zelot (서문지훈) , #3 Pitbullterrier (김대한)
Protoss = #1 Mighty (이광용)
Terran = #1 Shinee (샤이니) , #2 Byul (강태완) , #3 Bishop (정민기)

I think.

On December 12 2019 10:42 LaStScan wrote:


I got the list from ygosu when i searched "아마추어."

I don't know every single drama of amateurs that were made in the past, but I agree with you that players who have shown bad reputation should not be mentioned.

Currently Bishop seems doing well with his TvT and he is able to compete vs Shinee (although I only saw 1 game on sylphid). That's a one good step to start with but beating one specific player doesn't mean he has significantly improved.

We'll need to watch his improvement more and see his plays in the tournament.

Pitbull is doing great, he said he's going to put all of his effort in SC before he gets too old and stops playing SC early 2019. He would like to achieve something just like what Soma did for past 2 years.

btw, what do you mean of this sentences?

On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote:


not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot.

On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote:


not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot.

On December 12 2019 22:54 WCG2003 wrote:
but do you have any idea what the tv ratings were? even if it's not an apples to apples comparison i'm still curious what they were.