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Cruiser0929
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If you have any questions about Korean gamers, please leave a message. Then I can answer the question. | ||
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TT1
Canada10008 Posts
Question 2: After Tossgirl, who is most SaGi female user? | ||
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nyoken
United States100 Posts
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Cruiser0929
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TT1
Canada10008 Posts
 would be great if we had access to that sorta content as well | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 07 2019 14:36 TT1 wrote: Question 3: Why do Korean tutorials not have english subtitles? I am also curious because I am not good at English, so I wish I have Korean subtitles.  | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 07 2019 14:29 TT1 wrote: Question 1: After FlaSh, who is most SaGi user? Question 2: After Tossgirl, who is most SaGi female user? Are you serious? Or are you just joking around? | ||
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TT1
Canada10008 Posts
On December 07 2019 14:40 Cruiser0929 wrote: Are you serious? Or are you just joking around? Why joke? I wanna know who Koreans think is the best male and female player after Flash/Tossgirl.. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 07 2019 14:42 TT1 wrote: Why joke? I wanna know who Koreans think is the best male and female player after Flash/Tossgirl.. First of all, I think the word "sagi" very carefully in Korea. I think you should know about this. I'm not kidding, so if you'll give me a serious answer. 1.Flash is still Flash. For now, there seems to be no strong man to succeed him. 2.Women gamer I'm not much interested in. I'm only interested in male gamers. But if you give me an answer. I still don't think there's a woman gamer beyond "Tossgirl." This will be agreed upon by most Korean fans, too. | ||
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TT1
Canada10008 Posts
On December 07 2019 14:46 Cruiser0929 wrote: First of all, I think the word "sagi" very carefully in Korea. I think you should know about this. I'm not kidding, so if you'll give me a serious answer. 1.Flash is still Flash. For now, there seems to be no strong man to succeed him. 2.Women gamer I'm not much interested in. I'm only interested in male gamers. But if you give me an answer. I still don't think there's a woman gamer beyond "Tossgirl." This will be agreed upon by most Korean fans, too. Sagi is bad word? Why? I thought it meant something similar to "strongest" or "best". | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 07 2019 14:50 TT1 wrote: Sagi is bad word? Why? I thought it meant something similar to "strongest" or "best". Although we use "sagi" to mean strong it does not have a good connotation. It's as if you're saying "sagi" because there is an imbalance. However, "Flash" was able to get to the top of the list because he worked several times harder than other gamers. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8015 Posts
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
why do koreans eat bowls of snow covered in some sort of cinnamon powder, and maybe more interestingly... how? ^ㅡ^ | ||
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TT1
Canada10008 Posts
On December 07 2019 15:11 CadenZie wrote: i have one question for you sir why do koreans eat bowls of snow covered in some sort of cinnamon powder, and maybe more interestingly... how? ^ㅡ^ i was trying to get someone to brag on your behalf.. but failed proxy brag | ||
BLinD-RawR
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 07 2019 15:06 prosatan wrote: What is happening with Jaedong? Is he going to military ? Thank you Unfortunately, the news of "Jaedong" is hard to confirm in Korea as well. However, I think I am not a member of the military because I am writing a recent post. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 07 2019 15:26 BLinD-RawR wrote: what happened to moo proleague? It's hard to confirm because I didn't give details. Some information suggests that there is a problem with sponsors. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 07 2019 15:11 CadenZie wrote: i have one question for you sir why do koreans eat bowls of snow covered in some sort of cinnamon powder, and maybe more interestingly... how? ^ㅡ^ 카덴지 안녕하세요 ^^ | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
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Zerghxhx
China25 Posts
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
On December 07 2019 15:39 CadenZie wrote: 하위~!! 방가방가 yeah this lady is probably most sagi lady pro | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
What are the old legends like Boxer and Yellow doing now? What about NaDa? Can you share with us a cool build order from each race that you think foreigners don't know about? | ||
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mmhmm
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Are older players teaching their children how to play? Are there any young kids who are already gosu? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Why do korean streamers, streaming themselves eating? To keep the viewers? Why is Calm so loud? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25159 Posts
With Brood War being so popular obviously, SC2 and Warcraft 3 to varying degrees. Do Koreans play a lot of other RTS games and would welcome another popular one, or do they just love Brood War as a game more than just the genre. Thanks for doing this, it’s hard for us foreigners to get insight due to the language/cultural barriers | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1653 Posts
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Timebon3s
Norway690 Posts
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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FakeFin
Germany392 Posts
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On December 07 2019 22:17 CicadaSC wrote: What does Korea think about Blizzard's treatment of StarCraft esports? A slice of them hate Blizzard while the majority of them simply have a deep distrust of Blizzard. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 07 2019 16:07 Zerghxhx wrote: When will asl9 start, will there be ksl next year thank you It is likely to happen early next year. ASL9. The KSL season 5 has nothing for sure. Korean fans are also predicting that the KSL will not be held after the season 4. Because there is a saying that KSL was contracted until season 4. Although the KSL season lasted from 1 ~ 3 in a leisurely manner. The KSL season 4 has been too tight in schedule compared to other seasons. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 07 2019 18:23 [Fin]Vittu wrote: Thanks for doing this! What are the old legends like Boxer and Yellow doing now? What about NaDa? Can you share with us a cool build order from each race that you think foreigners don't know about? "boxer" is twich tv in broadcasting under way. "Yellow" is a broadcaster "Naba" hosted a Legend match vs "Reach" yesterday. Build order has a wide range of questions. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 07 2019 21:10 mmhmm wrote: What do Koreans think about the future of this game? Will it still be played in 10 or 20 years? Are older players teaching their children how to play? Are there any young kids who are already gosu? It seems that this game will continue in a personal way. But that is not likely to last long. The reason is that Korean children are not interested in Starcraft 1. Because I am more interested in Overwatch, Apex Legend, and League of Legend. However, current professional gamers cannot keep up with their skills by practicing for a short period That's why I think Starcraft will last longer. for at least ten years | ||
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pebble444
Italy2497 Posts
My question is about Stork, Song Byung Goo, what is he up to lately, anything interesting? 감사합니다 , gam-sa-ham-ni-da | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 07 2019 22:00 Wombat_NI wrote: What do Koreans think about the current state/future of real time strategy games? With Brood War being so popular obviously, SC2 and Warcraft 3 to varying degrees. Do Koreans play a lot of other RTS games and would welcome another popular one, or do they just love Brood War as a game more than just the genre. Thanks for doing this, it’s hard for us foreigners to get insight due to the language/cultural barriers to put it plainly The reason why StarCraft 1 is more popular than SC2 and Warcraft in Korea. This is because it is the game that best suits the sentiments of Koreans in my own personal opinion. StarCraft 1 is not going to go to hell in Korea. Better to replace Starcraft 1. If there is an RTS genre game that suits Korean tastes, the story may be different. But the reason why StarCraft 1 didn't go down in Korea. This is partly because, at least by Korean standards, there is no RTS game that is superior to StarCraft 1 and suitable for Korean tastes. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 07 2019 22:09 kogeT wrote: Can you get coaching from Flash? :D It would be a great honor to be guided by him. But it's almost impossible to be coached by him:D. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 07 2019 22:17 CicadaSC wrote: What does Korea think about Blizzard's treatment of StarCraft esports? Korean fans are very unhappy with Blizzard's treatment of Starcraft. Another problem that happens whenever updates about the Korean players and fans are very angry. Also, as mentioned above, there's a rumor going around that the KSL is the last season. Blizzard made no mention of this. Many Korean StarCraft 1 fans think the KSL has a right to know if the season 5 is held or not. They don't talk about this part. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 07 2019 22:51 Timebon3s wrote: Is Brood War becomming more or less popular in South Korea ? It's a hard game to gain more popularity. But existing fans still like StarCraft 1. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 00:28 .gypsy wrote: Hello!!!! hi | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 08 2019 02:07 AntiHack wrote: Is it very common to watch Starcraft on Cable TV for Koreans? Not really. It's hard to explain because there are various events. The majority of StarCraft 1 fans watch StarCraft through Internet broadcasting. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 07 2019 21:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Do other korean streamers know they are pronouncing Cadenzie's name wrong? Why do korean streamers, streaming themselves eating? To keep the viewers? Why is Calm so loud? I am aware of the misstatement of Cadenzie. But it is a problem with the pronunciation of Korea. It's an unavoidable problem. streaming themselves eating? -> I don't think it's a question I can answer. I'm sorry. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 08 2019 02:23 pebble444 wrote: Hello Cruiser0929 welcome to teamliquid, and thank you for posting here, I hope you have a pleasant experience here in this community; My question is about Stork, Song Byung Goo, what is he up to lately, anything interesting? 감사합니다 , gam-sa-ham-ni-da First of all, I am very grateful for your welcome. Thank you. "Stork" was recently sued by someone else by his wife. However, he soon won the case and informed the viewers that there was no problem. He looked very happy. He has recently been doing well with his wife and one children. Of course, I continue to do broadcasting activities. Thanks | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 08 2019 02:10 AntiHack wrote: A slice of them hate Blizzard while the majority of them simply have a deep distrust of Blizzard. yes | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 01:56 FakeFin wrote: Are SangHo/Swagger and sKyHigh in the military or did they just quit streaming? sangho/swagger = quit streaming skyhigh = military | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25159 Posts
On December 08 2019 02:27 Cruiser0929 wrote: to put it plainly The reason why StarCraft 1 is more popular than SC2 and Warcraft in Korea. This is because it is the game that best suits the sentiments of Koreans in my own personal opinion. StarCraft 1 is not going to go to hell in Korea. Better to replace Starcraft 1. If there is an RTS genre game that suits Korean tastes, the story may be different. But the reason why StarCraft 1 didn't go down in Korea. This is partly because, at least by Korean standards, there is no RTS game that is superior to StarCraft 1 and suitable for Korean tastes. Interesting response, thanks. If I may ask what are the Korean tastes and what kind of games suit that? | ||
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PorkSoda
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
You said that Korean children are not interested in Starcraft 1. My question is, has there been ANY noticeable amount of new Starcraft fans in Korea who started playing only in the recent years? It seems like Starcraft 1 is still being played a bit in the PC bangs. Or are most of those people old fans? | ||
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TT1
Canada10008 Posts
On December 08 2019 03:20 PorkSoda wrote: What website do korean players get pro replays from? Where can korean players look up and discuss build orders? I’m interested in trying to access the same information as korean players to learn more. good question i used to dl reps off of ygosu etc., i wonder if theres still a similar site for reps.. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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PorkSoda
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On December 08 2019 04:23 mikedebo wrote: Do you know what ever happened to SangHo/Killler/Swagger? I really loved him and was curious if anyone knows what he did after Starcraft. Someone asked that earlier in the thread. OP said he quit streaming. | ||
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PorkSoda
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On December 08 2019 03:35 TT1 wrote: good question i used to dl reps off of ygosu etc., i wonder if theres still a similar site for reps.. Is ygosu just a general message board, or is it all about Starcraft? Liquipedia is great for some info but some of it is dated or unclear. I got a bunch of replays off bwreplays and it’s been immensely helpful in clarifying things I was trying to learn from liquipedia. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote: Interesting response, thanks. If I may ask what are the Korean tastes and what kind of games suit that? It is very difficult to explain. One thing for sure. A game that suits Korean tastes may or may not be all games. For example StarCraft 1 was successful, but Warcraft and StarCraft 2 were shunned. The League of Legend succeeded, but Dota was turned away. Fortnite is world famous, but not very famous in Korea. (even though there was a big ad) The overwatch succeeded, but the counterstrike was turned away. In Korea, however, a game similar to counterstrike called Sudden Attack is very popular and many people are playing. However, there have always been successful cases of games that were ignored. Warcraft is "Moon" Jang Jae-ho. StarCraft 2 is many gamers such as "Maru" , "Soo" , "Dary" , "TY". tekken is "knee," etc. And Dota2 is "MVP Phoenix" Team and Counterstrike's "MVP Project" team. In many fields, Korean players are proving their competitive edge enough. I think Games to suit Korean taste I think most games have a little luck. When the League of Legend became famous in Korea, It was when StarCraft 1 was losing its popularity. Overwatch has also become another option for gamers who have been playing both the League of Legend and Starcraft. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 03:24 Akio wrote: Hello and thank you for doing this! You said that Korean children are not interested in Starcraft 1. My question is, has there been ANY noticeable amount of new Starcraft fans in Korea who started playing only in the recent years? It seems like Starcraft 1 is still being played a bit in the PC bangs. Or are most of those people old fans? Yes, they are most likely old fans. Because when Korea's StarCraft professional league system was activated. They are 14 to 18 years old when they saw the professional league the hardest. They are probably forming an age group in their mid to late 20s by now. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 08 2019 04:23 mikedebo wrote: Do you know what ever happened to SangHo/Killler/Swagger? I really loved him and was curious if anyone knows what he did after Starcraft. sangho/swagger = quit streaming killer = He's still doing private broadcasting. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 06:21 PorkSoda wrote: Is ygosu just a general message board, or is it all about Starcraft? Liquipedia is great for some info but some of it is dated or unclear. I got a bunch of replays off bwreplays and it’s been immensely helpful in clarifying things I was trying to learn from liquipedia. umm... I must say. No matter what Web site you go to in Korea, it will be hard for anyone to get a replay of a progamer. The reason is that they are very sensitive to replay. (Strategic exposure or consideration for the other party, etc.) Also, Ygosu is no longer a friendly site. There are still many good people. There are a lot of bad StarCraft 1 fans compared to the past. I don't think you'll be much of a help to get into the site. In fact, there are quite a few of the gamers and fans who don't use Ygosu. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 08 2019 03:35 TT1 wrote: good question i used to dl reps off of ygosu etc., i wonder if theres still a similar site for reps.. umm... I must say. No matter what Web site you go to in Korea, it will be hard for anyone to get a replay of a progamer. The reason is that they are very sensitive to replay. (Strategic exposure or consideration for the other party, etc.) Also, Ygosu is no longer a friendly site. There are still many good people. There are a lot of bad StarCraft 1 fans compared to the past. I don't think you'll be much of a help to get into the site. In fact, there are quite a few of the gamers and fans who don't use Ygosu. | ||
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outscar
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
2. Are the earnings sustainable? Are some streamers leaving the game for financial reasons? | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On December 08 2019 07:23 Cruiser0929 wrote: umm... I must say. No matter what Web site you go to in Korea, it will be hard for anyone to get a replay of a progamer. The reason is that they are very sensitive to replay. (Strategic exposure or consideration for the other party, etc.) Also, Ygosu is no longer a friendly site. There are still many good people. There are a lot of bad StarCraft 1 fans compared to the past. I don't think you'll be much of a help to get into the site. In fact, there are quite a few of the gamers and fans who don't use Ygosu. I hope that some retired pros will give their replays to the community. Replays are an incredible resource. | ||
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TT1
Canada10008 Posts
On December 08 2019 11:45 PorkSoda wrote: I hope that some retired pros will give their replays to the community. Replays are an incredible resource. tutorials even more so, the translated FlaSh tutorials are amazing https://www.youtube.com/user/IIjinjinnII/videos | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
I always felt that back in the very early days of SC2 (2010-2012) that the Korean Under-18 crowd chose League of Legends en masse instead of StarCraft 2, and this along with the 2010 matchfixing scandal in Brood War severely stifled the long-term growth of the Korean SC2 scene, putting it in the situation it is now. I would be curious to know if there is any kind of favoritism for Riot Games over Blizzard if indeed there is an air of anger & dissatisfaction from Korean games towards Blizzard. | ||
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Jealous
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Now that I'm already posting, a question came to me. How do Koreans view the foreign scene? Like, are they thinking "what is wrong with these chobos" or have recent appearances by Eonzerg, Dewalt, and Cadenzie in Korea increased the interest in the foreign scene? Anything you can share | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 10:22 outscar wrote: Is it hard to reach S rank on Korean server? Artosis, by the way, almost there. ^^ I don't know if there are different grades for different servers. But we're a tough guy, because we have a lot of professional gamers. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 11:44 StRyKeR wrote: 1. How do progamers make most of their money? Donations? YouTube views? Do they make a significant amount from YouTube? 2. Are the earnings sustainable? Are some streamers leaving the game for financial reasons? 1. You're right. They are making money from donations and YouTube profits. 2. Even professional gamers in Korea are considered to be thoroughly competent. If the gamers who were famous during their pro gamers were very profitable because they had a lot of fans. For example, "Flash", "Stork", "bisu", "Jaedong", etc. However, gamers who were not famous need good skills to earn their income. Those who don't do so often end broadcasting for financial reasons. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 11:45 PorkSoda wrote: I hope that some retired pros will give their replays to the community. Replays are an incredible resource. They are people who make money with their skills and skills. It is likely to be a difficult problem. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 12:46 Chris_Havoc wrote: Well this is very interesting info, and it somewhat confirms my theory of why there is no new blood in StarCraft 2 I always felt that back in the very early days of SC2 (2010-2012) that the Korean Under-18 crowd chose League of Legends en masse instead of StarCraft 2, and this along with the 2010 matchfixing scandal in Brood War severely stifled the long-term growth of the Korean SC2 scene, putting it in the situation it is now. I would be curious to know if there is any kind of favoritism for Riot Games over Blizzard if indeed there is an air of anger & dissatisfaction from Korean games towards Blizzard. What you say is really accurate. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 13:58 Jealous wrote: Just wanted to hop in here to say thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us about the game we love, the players we follow, and cluing us into what's going on in Korea. It is hugely appreciated <3 Now that I'm already posting, a question came to me. How do Koreans view the foreign scene? Like, are they thinking "what is wrong with these chobos" or have recent appearances by Eonzerg, Dewalt, and Cadenzie in Korea increased the interest in the foreign scene? Anything you can share Korean gamers and fans don't care much about foreigners' skills. I would be interested if there was a player in a foreign country comparable to "Flash." But I am interested when they come to Korea and broadcast. Actually, "Dewalt" and "Eonzerg" have lived and aired in Korea. At that time, they and Korean gamers played a lot of games. | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States347 Posts
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 08 2019 16:08 f10eqq wrote: I think most people agree that Soma (박상현) is the #1 amateur player right now and another zerg, Zelot (서문지훈), is maybe #2. Who do koreans consider to be the best amateur Protoss and Terran players in korea? Zerg = #1 Soma (박상현) , #2 Zelot (서문지훈) , #3 Pitbullterrier (김대한) Protoss = #1 Mighty (이광용) Terran = #1 Shinee (샤이니) , #2 Bishop (정민기) , #3 Byul (강태완) The best as an amateur. | ||
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marwin
Ukraine109 Posts
2nd question. It seems like proleague format spon match takes place during the prime time every day with top players (usually 4v4 or 5v5). But it's not enough place sometimes for all current top skilled broadcasters. How do they select(recruit) players? And those who arent taken in, do they get disappointed because of that? | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 09 2019 06:57 marwin wrote: Back in the 2015 (I guess) Zero said in his interview that successful bjs got even more richer and not popular bjs became poorer. Is it actual? Does the korean community / top broadcasters support the less popular players? 2nd question. It seems like proleague format spon match takes place during the prime time every day with top players (usually 4v4 or 5v5). But it's not enough place sometimes for all current top skilled broadcasters. How do they select(recruit) players? And those who arent taken in, do they get disappointed because of that? ack in the 2015 (I guess) Zero said in his interview that successful bjs got even more richer and not popular bjs became poorer. Is it actual? => yes. true. Does the korean community / top broadcasters support the less popular players? => No 2nd question. It seems like proleague format spon match takes place during the prime time every day with top players (usually 4v4 or 5v5). But it's not enough place sometimes for all current top skilled broadcasters. How do they select(recruit) players? And those who arent taken in, do they get disappointed because of that? => The criteria for the selection of competitors are as follows: 1. Interracial balance. ex ) 5:5 = 4T 3P 3Z or 3T 4P 3Z, etc. 2. The players' game skills. Players who are not selected naturally feel sad. But they don't have to do it because the players who aren't chosen get together and play another game. There is nothing wrong with it. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Thank you for coming here! I have a lot of questions=). 1.Do you believe a team league could ever start again? 2. Is there interest from old sponsors to for example sponsor just a player? Ever any rumors about old sponsors from the Kespa years? For example, KT to sponsor Flash again? Do you think Afreeca be okay with that on their streams? (My hope here is that if top players got big sponsors back, perhaps teams could be started around them) 3. When KT changed name to KT Fingerboom. Was it funny to koreans? Did people think it sounded like something sexual? Also, if I go to Seoul again is there any place I can go to buy jackets from old pro teams(I was a Khan fan. love Stork). 4. Are there famous starcraft1 related jokes/ sayings that are used in Korea by more than just fans? Like, Firebathero throwing socks, or that incident on Bnet attack with Hwasin when someone wrote "sexsexpussyhair"...? 5. Has Rain talked about his match against Light in the KSL finals? 6. Flash and Jaedong still has fans. But does new players get fans? 7. How does the Afreeca chat react if a good Korean player loses to a foreigner on stream? 8. What did the korean commentators say during Light vs Rain when the game looked like a bugged replay? 9. Does Korean Starcraft players want a 2v2 ranked ladder? Do they go to Blizzard forums when they want to give information about a problem in the game or for example 2v2 ladder? 10. I've been to Seoul 2 times, I want to go there again. Is there anything you would recommend to a Starcraft fan to do in Korea? | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
How do you describe "the best" player? (like flash) Gosu not (it's general for all very good player), page 1 word (i dont want to name it) not. Are you allowed to look into flash's eyes, when he would see it? Ok let me explain, I know it's bold to look at someone too long in korea, especially someone of higher status, age, perhaps gender. I am seeing flash as "higher status". | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 09 2019 10:16 Alpha-NP- wrote: Does Shinee have a youtube channel? He doesn't have a YouTube channel. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 09 2019 10:20 SirGlinG wrote: Hello! Thank you for coming here! I have a lot of questions=). 1.Do you believe a team league could ever start again? 2. Is there interest from old sponsors to for example sponsor just a player? Ever any rumors about old sponsors from the Kespa years? For example, KT to sponsor Flash again? Do you think Afreeca be okay with that on their streams? (My hope here is that if top players got big sponsors back, perhaps teams could be started around them) 3. When KT changed name to KT Fingerboom. Was it funny to koreans? Did people think it sounded like something sexual? Also, if I go to Seoul again is there any place I can go to buy jackets from old pro teams(I was a Khan fan. love Stork). 4. Are there famous starcraft1 related jokes/ sayings that are used in Korea by more than just fans? Like, Firebathero throwing socks, or that incident on Bnet attack with Hwasin when someone wrote "sexsexpussyhair"...? 5. Has Rain talked about his match against Light in the KSL finals? 6. Flash and Jaedong still has fans. But does new players get fans? 7. How does the Afreeca chat react if a good Korean player loses to a foreigner on stream? 8. What did the korean commentators say during Light vs Rain when the game looked like a bugged replay? 9. Does Korean Starcraft players want a 2v2 ranked ladder? Do they go to Blizzard forums when they want to give information about a problem in the game or for example 2v2 ladder? 10. I've been to Seoul 2 times, I want to go there again. Is there anything you would recommend to a Starcraft fan to do in Korea? 1.Do you believe a team league could ever start again? 2. Is there interest from old sponsors to for example sponsor just a player? Ever any rumors about old sponsors from the Kespa years? For example, KT to sponsor Flash again? Do you think Afreeca be okay with that on their streams? (My hope here is that if top players got big sponsors back, perhaps teams could be started around them) = I think that is unlikely. When companies sponsor games. Consider the image of the game. He had a pretty good image at the time of the pro league. I even made a military game team. (Air force ACE) But they had a lot of incidents, including match fixing. I think it's hard to get any more investment. I think they would be happier to stay at Afreecatv.com 3. When KT changed name to KT Fingerboom. Was it funny to koreans? Did people think it sounded like something sexual? Also, if I go to Seoul again is there any place I can go to buy jackets from old pro teams(I was a Khan fan. love Stork). = Their goods are no longer available. Because there is no place to buy things. 4. Are there famous starcraft1 related jokes/ sayings that are used in Korea by more than just fans? Like, Firebathero throwing socks, or that incident on Bnet attack with Hwasin when someone wrote "sexsexpussyhair"...? = There is no more famous anecdote than the two events. The events were Legend. 5. Has Rain talked about his match against Light in the KSL finals? = We didn't talk about it in the final. Since then, there have been comments made on personal broadcasts. He said. I felt that "Light" has practiced a lot. Since I didn't practice much, my judgment was clouded throughout the game. I'm sorry to be the runner-up. I don't care much because I'm not the one to dwell on the past. 6. Flash and Jaedong still has fans. But does new players get fans? = I don't think there will be a new player. Even if there are new players, there won't be many fans. But for example, players like "Fantasy", "TY" , "Stats" , "Maru" and "Soo" who are currently active in StarCraft 2. If they retire from StarCraft 2 and do StarCraft 1 personal broadcast on "Afreecatv.com" there will be many fans. 7. How does the Afreeca chat react if a good Korean player loses to a foreigner on stream? = They will have a lot of concern for the foreign players. And will continue to arrange a game. Chatting may be... I think there are chats that tease the gamer who lost to the foreigner. And there will be chatting that is surprising to the appearance of foreigners with good skills. 8. What did the korean commentators say during Light vs Rain when the game looked like a bugged replay? = It's hard to answer because I don't understand your question. Because I am not fluent in English. You have to ask questions in detail to answer them. I'm sorry. 9. Does Korean Starcraft players want a 2v2 ranked ladder? Do they go to Blizzard forums when they want to give information about a problem in the game or for example 2v2 ladder? = They want not only 2vs2 but also 3vs3 4vs4. But Blizzard doesn't listen. Yeah, like what you say they are on Blizzard Forum are completed. 10. I've been to Seoul 2 times, I want to go there again. Is there anything you would recommend to a Starcraft fan to do in Korea? = First of all, competition is open to the public think it essential. Their high quality that watching a live game is quite meaningful. Also, it would be good to go in the museum. sports e Probably know where if you can look up what you can. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 09 2019 11:11 Kertorak wrote: Which game do "new" players prefer, sc2 or bw? Young? I am not interested in other games information. How do you describe "the best" player? (like flash) Gosu not (it's general for all very good player), page 1 word (i dont want to name it) not. Are you allowed to look into flash's eyes, when he would see it? Ok let me explain, I know it's bold to look at someone too long in korea, especially someone of higher status, age, perhaps gender. I am seeing flash as "higher status". Which game do "new" players prefer, sc2 or bw? Young? I am not interested in other games information. = Unfortunately, young Korean gamers are not interested in StarCraft 1 and StarCraft 2. StarCraft 2 is not famous and StaCraft 1 is the entry barrier is too high. How do you describe "the best" player? (like flash) Gosu not (it's general for all very good player), page 1 word (i dont want to name it) not. = Korean StarCraft fans have the words "Flsah" and "Bisu." It's "GOD." | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On December 09 2019 02:50 Cruiser0929 wrote: Zerg = #1 Soma (박상현) , #2 Zelot (서문지훈) , #3 Pitbullterrier (김대한) Protoss = #1 Mighty (이광용) Terran = #1 Shinee (샤이니) , #2 Bishop (정민기) , #3 Byul (강태완) The best as an amateur. I suppose I'm underrated for the list. Here is my perspective of top best amateurs. Zerg: Soma, yoon, ZeLoT Terran: Shinee, others are hard to put in a list due to the same level Protoss: KEH, Mighty(aka vmqkf), [FOX]Fresh | ||
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On December 09 2019 12:58 LaStScan wrote: I suppose I'm underrated for the list. Here is my perspective of top best amateurs. Zerg: Soma, yoon, ZeLoT Terran: Shinee, others are hard to put in a list due to the same level Protoss: KEH, Mighty(aka vmqkf), [FOX]Fresh "Yoon" had an early exit from the amateur competition organized by "Bisu," losing to "Song Jung-woo." But "Pitbulterrier" won by capturing "ssinz," "No Ji-ho" and "Yoon Soo-woong." "Yoon" is not in the upper rank of "Zelot." He has shown too little compared to "Zelot" Terran totally agrees with you. But if I were to rank it, Shinee, Bishop, and Byul. In fact, Shinee and the other two have wide gaps. Protoss's "KEH" shows the wrong personality and is being slaughtered on Starcraft 1. On the other hand, "Mighty" has grown in a great way, showing a good side in the "Starcraft end-of-life war" "KEH" is only playing king in the dark. That's why I decided that 'Mighty' is a better player. | ||
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TheGloob
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i'm living in busan, but i know most events happen in seoul. other than going to seoul, how can i participate or get more into the korean starcraft community while i'm in korea? | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 09 2019 15:54 WCG2003 wrote: What does Savior/Julyzerg do nowadays? "July" knows to be living a normal life after retirement. I don't want to comment on another. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 09 2019 15:10 TheGloob wrote: thanks answering these, cruiser~ i'm living in busan, but i know most events happen in seoul. other than going to seoul, how can i participate or get more into the korean starcraft community while i'm in korea? I don't think there's anything I can do in Busan right now. Except to be the only one to participate in the ASL Busan. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
i find really amazing that Soma is able to compete with the best progamers.why do u think other semipros didnt really catch the actual progamers? | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 09 2019 12:35 Cruiser0929 wrote: Which game do "new" players prefer, sc2 or bw? Young? I am not interested in other games information. = Unfortunately, young Korean gamers are not interested in StarCraft 1 and StarCraft 2. StarCraft 2 is not famous and StaCraft 1 is the entry barrier is too high. How do you describe "the best" player? (like flash) Gosu not (it's general for all very good player), page 1 word (i dont want to name it) not. = Korean StarCraft fans have the words "Flsah" and "Bisu." It's "GOD." "Unfortunately, young Korean gamers are not interested in StarCraft 1 and StarCraft 2." Yeah the entry barrier to StarCraft 1 is a problem for everyone I believe. It's very difficult to introduce it to someone who isn't already familiar with it or some RTS games at least. "Korean StarCraft fans have the words "Flsah" and "Bisu." It's "GOD." That's interesting, I didn't know that. I thought only Flash had the title of "GOD". | ||
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mmhmm
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I'm trying to figure out who I should cheer for. I always like the Zerg in ZvT and especially ZvP. But otherwise it can be hard to know who the "good guy" is. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
On December 09 2019 18:49 mmhmm wrote: What kind of personality do current top players have (Flash, Bisu, Zero, Light, Soma, Rain, Stork, forGG, Mini, Mind, ....and others). For example, who whines or complains a lot? Who brags the most? Who is funny? Who is quiet? Who gets angry easily? Who has good manner / bad manner? I'm trying to figure out who I should cheer for. I always like the Zerg in ZvT and especially ZvP. But otherwise it can be hard to know who the "good guy" is. I wish there were heels in starcraft  but please do give this video a watch to understand Flash's personality a bit | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 09 2019 18:29 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hi. i find really amazing that Soma is able to compete with the best progamers.why do u think other semipros didnt really catch the actual progamers? "Soma" is different even in other amateurs. He has had a close relationship with professional gamers since long ago. That's why there were so many fans. There were many opportunities to play games with many high-class professional gamers. Other amateurs don't have many such opportunities. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 09 2019 18:33 JieXian wrote: Hi, and thank you for taking the time to answer our questions ^.^ "Unfortunately, young Korean gamers are not interested in StarCraft 1 and StarCraft 2." Yeah the entry barrier to StarCraft 1 is a problem for everyone I believe. It's very difficult to introduce it to someone who isn't already familiar with it or some RTS games at least. "Korean StarCraft fans have the words "Flsah" and "Bisu." It's "GOD." That's interesting, I didn't know that. I thought only Flash had the title of "GOD". Gamers have many nicknames. "Shine" is called a typhoon. "Jaedong" is nicknamed a tyrant. "Zero" is nicknamed Queen. "Stork" is nicknamed Commander-in-Chief. "Best" is nicknamed a monster. "Flash" is the final weapon. "Bisu" is nicknamed a revolutionary. But among them, "Flash" and "Bisu" are given the title "God." | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
I play in the morning and it's mostly vs koreans, the game settles at TR20 which is fine but I still get insulted almost every single game, I'm surprised it happens so often considering the game is perfectly playable most of the time | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On December 09 2019 21:15 LG)Sabbath wrote: do koreans in general not know what Turn Rate is for? I play in the morning and it's mostly vs koreans, the game settles at TR20 which is fine but I still get insulted almost every single game, I'm surprised it happens so often considering the game is perfectly playable most of the time you are proly playing TR20 high or extra . TR20 = TR14 and TR20 extra = TR10 | ||
HaN-
France1919 Posts
1. What is something interesting about the StarCraft 1 Korean scene that you think foreigners might not know about? 2. You seem interested by foreigners (or maybe you are doing this just to practice english ;D) do you watch foreigners players streams and events? 3. What happened to Free (윤용태)? Thank you for doing this! | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On December 09 2019 21:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: you are proly playing TR20 high or extra . TR20 = TR14 and TR20 extra = TR10 This is wrong. Source, posted by SC Developer: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/turn-rates-matchmaking-and-you/519 TR 20 = 150 TR 20 High = 200, which is roughly TR16 TR 20 Extra = 250, which is TR12 | ||
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Belgium6579 Posts
On December 09 2019 23:25 razorsuKe wrote: This is wrong. Source, posted by SC Developer: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/turn-rates-matchmaking-and-you/519 TR 20 = 150 TR 20 High = 200, which is roughly TR16 TR 20 Extra = 250, which is TR12 i never had the impression TR20 HIGH was TR16. and anyone that play the game often will tell you the same.as a zerg player i really can detect it very well.TR12 TR10 proly no big difference. TR14 is already unfortunate so anything below that is bad. TR Low High Extra 24 125 167 208 20 150 200 250 16 188 250 313 14 214 286 357 i think since the ping is higher than 200 it fits more TR14 and DTR doesnt work properly tbh. i have countless games where he put a worse TR than it should be and others put a better TR than it should be. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On December 09 2019 13:46 Cruiser0929 wrote: "Yoon" had an early exit from the amateur competition organized by "Bisu," losing to "Song Jung-woo." But "Pitbulterrier" won by capturing "ssinz," "No Ji-ho" and "Yoon Soo-woong." "Yoon" is not in the upper rank of "Zelot." He has shown too little compared to "Zelot" Terran totally agrees with you. But if I were to rank it, Shinee, Bishop, and Byul. In fact, Shinee and the other two have wide gaps. Protoss's "KEH" shows the wrong personality and is being slaughtered on Starcraft 1. On the other hand, "Mighty" has grown in a great way, showing a good side in the "Starcraft end-of-life war" "KEH" is only playing king in the dark. That's why I decided that 'Mighty' is a better player. Yeah, I know about KEH's issue. vmqkf also has been doing well recently, but he told me he's planning to switch to teamplay fastest someday. yoon also performed badly on bisu's tourney just like me. However people who are playing competitive, they know what's hidden in the back. ZeLoT also admits yoon is 한수위(one step) ahead of him. For example, soma vs best on KSL4 map Overwatch, main base 3rd hatchery was extraordinary build opening and that is taught by yoon. Overall, career and what's showing on competition, Soma, ZeLoT, Shinee are the truth strong players. rest of them are still working on it or not interested to play competitive scene. | ||
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Kertorak
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Are you allowed to look into flash's eyes, when he would see it? Ok let me explain, I know it's bold to look at someone too long time in korea society, especially at someone of higher status, age, perhaps gender. I am seeing flash as "higher status". | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 09 2019 21:08 Cruiser0929 wrote: Gamers have many nicknames. "Shine" is called a typhoon. "Jaedong" is nicknamed a tyrant. "Zero" is nicknamed Queen. "Stork" is nicknamed Commander-in-Chief. "Best" is nicknamed a monster. "Flash" is the final weapon. "Bisu" is nicknamed a revolutionary. But among them, "Flash" and "Bisu" are given the title "God." I see, I'm not arguing with you or saying that you are wrong. I just I didn't know "Flash" and "Bisu" were considered "equals". I thought that "Flash" was one level above "Bisu" (since "Flash" won so many more tournaments). It's nice to know since I'm a fan of both players Thanks for your replies! | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 09 2019 21:15 LG)Sabbath wrote: do koreans in general not know what Turn Rate is for? I play in the morning and it's mostly vs koreans, the game settles at TR20 which is fine but I still get insulted almost every single game, I'm surprised it happens so often considering the game is perfectly playable most of the time This is a very complicated problem. You'll be playing on RT 20. Most of Korea is played on RT 8 to 4. That is why Koreans seem to be in a bad mood. | ||
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On December 09 2019 23:11 HaN- wrote: Hello, 1. What is something interesting about the StarCraft 1 Korean scene that you think foreigners might not know about? 2. You seem interested by foreigners (or maybe you are doing this just to practice english ;D) do you watch foreigners players streams and events? 3. What happened to Free (윤용태)? Thank you for doing this! 1. This question is so broad that it is difficult to answer. 2. That's right. I often watch "BSL" or "Dewalt" or "Eonzerg" on Afreecatv.com 3. He is currently serving in the military and will soon be discharged from the military. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 10 2019 00:30 LaStScan wrote: Yeah, I know about KEH's issue. vmqkf also has been doing well recently, but he told me he's planning to switch to teamplay fastest someday. yoon also performed badly on bisu's tourney just like me. However people who are playing competitive, they know what's hidden in the back. ZeLoT also admits yoon is 한수위(one step) ahead of him. For example, soma vs best on KSL4 map Overwatch, main base 3rd hatchery was extraordinary build opening and that is taught by yoon. Overall, career and what's showing on competition, Soma, ZeLoT, Shinee are the truth strong players. rest of them are still working on it or not interested to play competitive scene. I agree with you in general. But I have a question. As far as I know, the "2Hatchery Mutal" build order at T vs. Z was informed by "Pitbulterrier" to "soma." It is more accurate because he mentioned it in person. That "2Hatchery Mutal" changed the paradigm of T vs. Z. Many of the top players, including "Zero" and "Action," also sought advice on "Soma"dprp "2Hatchery Mutal." So what is the contribution of "Pitbuller"? | ||
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On December 10 2019 01:46 LG)Sabbath wrote: Btw why do pro koreans play fastest team games so much but almost never plain 2v2 games? I've seen them play some weird Python version that spawns random stuff as well but no regular 2v2s It's not just a map, I think, but a use map called "랜능크." | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 10 2019 01:54 Kertorak wrote: Thanks, Are you allowed to look into flash's eyes, when he would see it? Ok let me explain, I know it's bold to look at someone too long time in korea society, especially at someone of higher status, age, perhaps gender. I am seeing flash as "higher status". I don't understand this question, maybe Scan can answer it. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 10 2019 02:59 JieXian wrote: I see, I'm not arguing with you or saying that you are wrong. I just I didn't know "Flash" and "Bisu" were considered "equals". I thought that "Flash" was one level above "Bisu" (since "Flash" won so many more tournaments). It's nice to know since I'm a fan of both players Thanks for your replies! There is another reason why two people call God. Because "flash" does what you think it does. "Bisu" is because the paradigm of P vs Z has really changed a lot by "Bisu." | ||
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Ideas
United States8097 Posts
What is Kal (goojila) doing now? How do korean fans feel about the KSL compared to the ASL? Foreign fans here seem to be glad that it exists but wish that it had more interesting maps. Has jaedong ever talked about his experience on Team 8? His results were never as good once Hwaseung disbanded. Has he ever talked about why he started to lose a lot of ZvZs in his last year of the kespa/team 8 era? Jaedong seems to be effectively retired? I don't think he's streamed in a while and he didn't even try to qualify for KSL4. Has he announced if he's going to the military soon? Or why he has stopped streaming? For instance wrist health or just lack of motivation? Was last really harassed a lot online by jaedong fans after the KSL1 finals? Who do korean fans consider to be the best protoss player ever? It seems like it should be bisu but his lack of starleague success since the Clubday MSL make it hard to say, especially with stork being a lot more consistent and jangbi winning the last 2 OSLs. | ||
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
On December 07 2019 14:26 Cruiser0929 wrote: I am Starcraft fans in Korea. If you have any questions about Korean gamers, please leave a message. Then I can answer the question. Why did you take my nickname? Kappa | ||
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On December 10 2019 12:53 Ideas wrote: Calm seems to have many fans despite losing a lot of his skill since the kespa era. He has a large stream following and tons of fans showed up to cheer for him in ASL7. Is that because they're fans from when he was on STX? Or are they are newer fans because of his streaming personality? Was he that popular during the kespa days? What is Kal (goojila) doing now? How do korean fans feel about the KSL compared to the ASL? Foreign fans here seem to be glad that it exists but wish that it had more interesting maps. Has jaedong ever talked about his experience on Team 8? His results were never as good once Hwaseung disbanded. Has he ever talked about why he started to lose a lot of ZvZs in his last year of the kespa/team 8 era? Jaedong seems to be effectively retired? I don't think he's streamed in a while and he didn't even try to qualify for KSL4. Has he announced if he's going to the military soon? Or why he has stopped streaming? For instance wrist health or just lack of motivation? Was last really harassed a lot online by jaedong fans after the KSL1 finals? Who do korean fans consider to be the best protoss player ever? It seems like it should be bisu but his lack of starleague success since the Clubday MSL make it hard to say, especially with stork being a lot more consistent and jangbi winning the last 2 OSLs. Calm seems to have many fans despite losing a lot of his skill since the kespa era. He has a large stream following and tons of fans showed up to cheer for him in ASL7. Is that because they're fans from when he was on STX? Or are they are newer fans because of his streaming personality? Was he that popular during the kespa days? = All three are right. He has been popular since his pro career under the nickname "Brain Zerg." Also, many people watch his personal broadcast because it is fun. And there are fans of STX. What is Kal (goojila) doing now? = He quit his private broadcast and works for a company. How do korean fans feel about the KSL compared to the ASL? Foreign fans here seem to be glad that it exists but wish that it had more interesting maps. = The KSL is a competition where many top gamers do not participate. The reason is because I broadcast in Twich. This is because the KSL's regulation does not allow the replay to be shown to viewers as a personal broadcast. But that's what makes gamers competitive. It is a competition called the hope of the minor leagues. Has jaedong ever talked about his experience on Team 8? His results were never as good once Hwaseung disbanded. Has he ever talked about why he started to lose a lot of ZvZs in his last year of the kespa/team 8 era? = He foresaw that the pro league would be abolished during the short eight game period. Also, not all Team 8 were practicing hard. They were all said to have been motivated and not practiced properly because they thought the professional league would be abolished. Jaedong seems to be effectively retired? I don't think he's streamed in a while and he didn't even try to qualify for KSL4. Has he announced if he's going to the military soon? Or why he has stopped streaming? For instance wrist health or just lack of motivation? = He did a private broadcast yesterday. Was last really harassed a lot online by jaedong fans after the KSL1 finals? = Fans of "Jaedong" are highly conscious. So it seems that their fans didn't curse "Last." Who do korean fans consider to be the best protoss player ever? It seems like it should be bisu but his lack of starleague success since the Clubday MSL make it hard to say, especially with stork being a lot more consistent and jangbi winning the last 2 OSLs. = I agree with you. "Stork," "jangbi," and "Bisu" are all always considered the best protoss players. But personally, I think Bisu, the pioneer of "P vs. Z," is a better gamer. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 11 2019 00:10 WCG2003 wrote: How many people in korea on average watch ksl/asl live? and on video? KSL Season4 Finals views = 44,000~70,000 people ASL Season8 Finals views = 120,000 people | ||
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Cruiser0929
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Cruiser0929
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On December 11 2019 07:23 whaski wrote: How bad Lasts health is these days? He is again skipping streams and didn't play in KSL because of his wrists... Both "Last" and "Flash" have been told that their wrists are pretty bad. Because they have to join the army soon I will be cautious about participating in the contest. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 11 2019 09:56 Entaro[AoV] wrote: Why is Rain not playing much starcraft recently? What does his future in SC look like? The reason why Rain doesn't play Starcraft is very complex. He is looking far into the future. He wants to expand his career through other games. Starcraft's malign fans say they are also tired. Maybe he won't play Starcraft for a while. | ||
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WCG2003
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On December 11 2019 12:58 Cruiser0929 wrote: The reason why Rain doesn't play Starcraft is very complex. He is looking far into the future. He wants to expand his career through other games. Starcraft's malign fans say they are also tired. Maybe he won't play Starcraft for a while. This makes perfect sense considering Rain doesn't have to join the military. Without that hanging over his head Rain has many options to pursue inside esports and maybe even other things like getting a girlfriend and maybe even starting a family. | ||
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Oya187
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On December 11 2019 14:18 Oya187 wrote: Why doesnt Rain have to join the military? Rain donated half of his liver to his ailing father, and because of that he is permanently exempt from military service. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On December 10 2019 07:06 Cruiser0929 wrote: I agree with you in general. But I have a question. As far as I know, the "2Hatchery Mutal" build order at T vs. Z was informed by "Pitbulterrier" to "soma." It is more accurate because he mentioned it in person. That "2Hatchery Mutal" changed the paradigm of T vs. Z. Many of the top players, including "Zero" and "Action," also sought advice on "Soma"dprp "2Hatchery Mutal." So what is the contribution of "Pitbuller"? If you are talking about 12 pool opening vs terran, that might be true because i've seen Pitbull doing 12 pool opening vs terran long ago. Current ZvT Guardian Hydra opening is inspired by me(I'm Scan) and taught ZeLoT about this build 6 months ago. You can confirm with him as you feel like to. This is what I found on ygosu and how people see player's strength in order. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/GTo81Ks.png) English translation of the list. + Show Spoiler + 저그 1. Soma 2. 9MutaL[HyO] 3. yoon 4. Yerim2(aka: nongminzerg TSL2) 5. Wico`Someday (aka: DY, TOP5 amateur zerg) 6. ZeLoT 7. PitbullTerrier 8. 손경수 : 재야의 강자 9. Kali 10. pcs SsaL iffy : ZvZ ZvZ ZvT Gosu 테란 1. Shinee 2. ByuL 3. Tinkle 4. Scan : Hidden Gosu 5. Bishop 6. Ever)T(Prime 7. [NeOx]SeungSu (Aka: president`moon, ilikeoov) 8. Gaeko2[White] 9. 장재혁 : ?. 배호연 토스 1. KEH 2. vmqkf(aka: Mighty) 3. sSinz 박도현 4. 김한별 bongsil 방테 휘문 프상현 coolgg ErOs_Yangachi | ||
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Sweden1762 Posts
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 11 2019 13:32 WCG2003 wrote: do you remember how many people on average used to watch proleague or msl/osl on television back in 2003-2011? wondering how it compares to asl ksl I don't think the popularity of those days is comparable to what There were no teenagers in those days who didn't know Starcraft. Of course, I think the difference is big, too. | ||
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Cruiser0929
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On December 11 2019 13:52 Chris_Havoc wrote: This makes perfect sense considering Rain doesn't have to join the military. Without that hanging over his head Rain has many options to pursue inside esports and maybe even other things like getting a girlfriend and maybe even starting a family. That's right, so he's going to try a new challenge. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 11 2019 15:40 LaStScan wrote: If you are talking about 12 pool opening vs terran, that might be true because i've seen Pitbull doing 12 pool opening vs terran long ago. Current ZvT Guardian Hydra opening is inspired by me(I'm Scan) and taught ZeLoT about this build 6 months ago. You can confirm with him as you feel like to. This is what I found on ygosu and how people see player's strength in order. English translation of the list. + Show Spoiler + 저그 1. Soma 2. 9MutaL[HyO] 3. yoon 4. Yerim2(aka: nongminzerg TSL2) 5. Wico`Someday (aka: DY, TOP5 amateur zerg) 6. ZeLoT 7. PitbullTerrier 8. 손경수 : 재야의 강자 9. Kali 10. pcs SsaL iffy : ZvZ ZvZ ZvT Gosu 테란 1. Shinee 2. ByuL 3. Tinkle 4. Scan : Hidden Gosu 5. Bishop 6. Ever)T(Prime 7. [NeOx]SeungSu (Aka: president`moon, ilikeoov) 8. Gaeko2[White] 9. 장재혁 : ?. 배호연 토스 1. KEH 2. vmqkf(aka: Mighty) 3. sSinz 박도현 4. 김한별 bongsil 방테 휘문 프상현 coolgg ErOs_Yangachi I ranked them. It was just a reason to play an introductory role to foreigners. To be honest, I don't know the list you showed me. After all, their recognition, their achievements, and career-highs, must support them. There's a lot of talk about who's actually the best protoss gamer in Bisu, JangBi and Stork. Among them, many people think Bisu is the best because he was a pioneer who changed the paradigm of Z vs. P. To be honest, given the list you mentioned, How many of Zerg amateur's TOP 5 do you think are memorable? Many foreigners. No, not only foreigners but also Koreans think of Zerg amateur, but mostly "Soma" and "Zelot." I think he knows the degree of "iffy." Amateurs will have different opinions. I know that "Scan" you have a great deal of awareness among foreigners. Because you were communicating with foreigners through Twitch. I would like to introduce Korean amateurs to foreigners. "Zerg" amateurs thought "Soma," "Zelot" and "Pitbulterrier" were appropriate. Because, as I said, "Soma" doesn't need to be explained. "Zelot" is the most visible player in the recent ASL. "Pitbulterrier" won the amateur league hosted by "Bisu" and passed on what you said was "12 pool opening" to "Soma." I particularly appreciated this part. Because the process of "Soma" struggling with Terran's "111"build, the process of anger. One day, in the midst of a sudden and repeated defeat, I kept trying "2Hatchery Mutal" and finally changed the paradigm of "T vs. Z," all watching live. I appreciated the work of "Pitbullterrier." And when I introduce Terran Amateur, I thought #1 Shinee, #2 Byul, #3 Scan. But "Scan" you've only recommended "Bishop" because you've already been a known player to many foreigners. He has recently been doing well against "Shinee" and said "Light" is also a tough opponent in a showdown with "Bishop." Frankly speaking, I agree that the strongest Protoss amateurs are "KEH." But I don't want to introduce him to foreigners when I think of his personality. So I excluded it. The same goes for "P Sang-hyun, Kim Han-byul." They were actually mentioned in gamers' voice chatting and picked as amateurs to be ignored along with "KEH." Even "Kali" has been told that the ACS and ASL will not be able to participate in the game in the future as circumstantial evidence of illegal gambling has been detected. I don't want to judge players by their skills alone. No matter how good the players are, if they fail to prove themselves in a competition, it will be meaningless. Also, I think it is quite shameful to introduce a gamer with a bad personality just because he is good at it. The Korean proverb says, "As rice ripens, it bows down." No matter how good they are, they mean nothing if they can't prove it at the competition and don't have courtesy. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On December 12 2019 09:37 Cruiser0929 wrote: I ranked them. It was just a reason to play an introductory role to foreigners. To be honest, I don't know the list you showed me. After all, their recognition, their achievements, and career-highs, must support them. There's a lot of talk about who's actually the best protoss gamer in Bisu, JangBi and Stork. Among them, many people think Bisu is the best because he was a pioneer who changed the paradigm of Z vs. P. To be honest, given the list you mentioned, How many of Zerg amateur's TOP 5 do you think are memorable? Many foreigners. No, not only foreigners but also Koreans think of Zerg amateur, but mostly "Soma" and "Zelot." I think he knows the degree of "iffy." Amateurs will have different opinions. I know that "Scan" you have a great deal of awareness among foreigners. Because you were communicating with foreigners through Twitch. I would like to introduce Korean amateurs to foreigners. "Zerg" amateurs thought "Soma," "Zelot" and "Pitbulterrier" were appropriate. Because, as I said, "Soma" doesn't need to be explained. "Zelot" is the most visible player in the recent ASL. "Pitbulterrier" won the amateur league hosted by "Bisu" and passed on what you said was "12 pool opening" to "Soma." I particularly appreciated this part. Because the process of "Soma" struggling with Terran's "111"build, the process of anger. One day, in the midst of a sudden and repeated defeat, I kept trying "2Hatchery Mutal" and finally changed the paradigm of "T vs. Z," all watching live. I appreciated the work of "Pitbullterrier." And when I introduce Terran Amateur, I thought #1 Shinee, #2 Byul, #3 Scan. But "Scan" you've only recommended "Bishop" because you've already been a known player to many foreigners. He has recently been doing well against "Shinee" and said "Light" is also a tough opponent in a showdown with "Bishop." Frankly speaking, I agree that the strongest Protoss amateurs are "KEH." But I don't want to introduce him to foreigners when I think of his personality. So I excluded it. The same goes for "P Sang-hyun, Kim Han-byul." They were actually mentioned in gamers' voice chatting and picked as amateurs to be ignored along with "KEH." Even "Kali" has been told that the ACS and ASL will not be able to participate in the game in the future as circumstantial evidence of illegal gambling has been detected. I don't want to judge players by their skills alone. No matter how good the players are, if they fail to prove themselves in a competition, it will be meaningless. Also, I think it is quite shameful to introduce a gamer with a bad personality just because he is good at it. The Korean proverb says, "As rice ripens, it bows down." No matter how good they are, they mean nothing if they can't prove it at the competition and don't have courtesy. I got the list from ygosu when i searched "아마추어." I don't know every single drama of amateurs that were made in the past, but I agree with you that players who have shown bad reputation should not be mentioned. Currently Bishop seems doing well with his TvT and he is able to compete vs Shinee (although I only saw 1 game on sylphid). That's a one good step to start with but beating one specific player doesn't mean he has significantly improved. We'll need to watch his improvement more and see his plays in the tournament. Pitbull is doing great, he said he's going to put all of his effort in SC before he gets too old and stops playing SC early 2019. He would like to achieve something just like what Soma did for past 2 years. btw, what do you mean of this sentences? But "Scan" you've only recommended "Bishop" because you've already been a known player to many foreigners. He has recently been doing well against "Shinee" and said "Light" is also a tough opponent in a showdown with "Bishop." | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 12 2019 10:42 LaStScan wrote: I got the list from ygosu when i searched "아마추어." I don't know every single drama of amateurs that were made in the past, but I agree with you that players who have shown bad reputation should not be mentioned. Currently Bishop seems doing well with his TvT and he is able to compete vs Shinee (although I only saw 1 game on sylphid). That's a one good step to start with but beating one specific player doesn't mean he has significantly improved. We'll need to watch his improvement more and see his plays in the tournament. Pitbull is doing great, he said he's going to put all of his effort in SC before he gets too old and stops playing SC early 2019. He would like to achieve something just like what Soma did for past 2 years. btw, what do you mean of this sentences? That means you didn't comment separately because you are already a player known to many foreigners. #1 Shinee #2 Byul, #3 Bishop If you were involved, #1 Shinee #2 Byul #3 Scan I would have typed it like this. In addition, I agree with you. That's why I think their ranking is. Zerg = #1 Soma (박상현) , #2 Zelot (서문지훈) , #3 Pitbullterrier (김대한) Protoss = #1 Mighty (이광용) Terran = #1 Shinee (샤이니) , #2 Byul (강태완) , #3 Bishop (정민기) I think. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On December 12 2019 11:54 Cruiser0929 wrote: That means you didn't comment separately because you are already a player known to many foreigners. #1 Shinee #2 Byul, #3 Bishop If you were involved, #1 Shinee #2 Byul #3 Scan I would have typed it like this. In addition, I agree with you. That's why I think their ranking is. Zerg = #1 Soma (박상현) , #2 Zelot (서문지훈) , #3 Pitbullterrier (김대한) Protoss = #1 Mighty (이광용) Terran = #1 Shinee (샤이니) , #2 Byul (강태완) , #3 Bishop (정민기) I think. Okay, I understood clearly. Thanks for putting me in a 3rd spot of Terran list lol. Btw, what do you think of Tinkle's level? I feel like you excluded or forgot about him. Or does have a bad reputation? | ||
GTR
51446 Posts
On December 11 2019 13:32 WCG2003 wrote: do you remember how many people on average used to watch proleague or msl/osl on television back in 2003-2011? wondering how it compares to asl ksl not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 12 2019 10:42 LaStScan wrote: I got the list from ygosu when i searched "아마추어." I don't know every single drama of amateurs that were made in the past, but I agree with you that players who have shown bad reputation should not be mentioned. Currently Bishop seems doing well with his TvT and he is able to compete vs Shinee (although I only saw 1 game on sylphid). That's a one good step to start with but beating one specific player doesn't mean he has significantly improved. We'll need to watch his improvement more and see his plays in the tournament. Pitbull is doing great, he said he's going to put all of his effort in SC before he gets too old and stops playing SC early 2019. He would like to achieve something just like what Soma did for past 2 years. btw, what do you mean of this sentences? I know his reputation well because I've been listening to it. Sadly, he didn't do a personal broadcast, so he left it off the list. If he did a private broadcast, of course he'd be on the list. same goes for Park Jae-hyun. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote: not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot. yea i agree | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland727 Posts
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mSj_Artanis
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WCG2003
7 Posts
On December 12 2019 18:52 GTR wrote: but do you have any idea what the tv ratings were? even if it's not an apples to apples comparison i'm still curious what they were.not the korean guy who's supposed to be responding, but viewer count comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt because while the golden era was all on cable television, asl/ksl is much more easily accessible through iptv/online streaming platforms so this skews/inflates numbers a lot. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
On December 12 2019 22:54 WCG2003 wrote: but do you have any idea what the tv ratings were? even if it's not an apples to apples comparison i'm still curious what they were. The advertising companies look into the TV audience in a completely different manner than what they see in the Internet broadcasts viewer count. The way viewers got engaged is vastly different. TV is mainstream. Twitch/afreeca are underground. The big companies are tempted to invest in TV ads hundreds of times more than in internet broadcasts. Not comparable at all. On the internet, you have control of what you see - if you don't like something you just close the tab and move to the next thing. On the TV you don't have control. Sure you can switch the channel, but the number of channels is finite - the chance of getting back to the show and continue watching it after the ads (for example) is incomparable. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 12 2019 23:46 BlueStar wrote: The advertising companies look into the TV audience in a completely different manner than what they see in the Internet broadcasts viewer count. The way viewers got engaged is vastly different. TV is mainstream. Twitch/afreeca are underground. The big companies are tempted to invest in TV ads hundreds of times more than in internet broadcasts. Not comparable at all. On the internet, you have control of what you see - if you don't like something you just close the tab and move to the next thing. On the TV you don't have control. Sure you can switch the channel, but the number of channels is finite - the chance of getting back to the show and continue watching it after the ads (for example) is incomparable. He's right. | ||
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WCG2003
7 Posts
On December 12 2019 23:46 BlueStar wrote: im not trying to be rude here but i dont care how they compare to one another, I just want to know what the TV ratings were.The advertising companies look into the TV audience in a completely different manner than what they see in the Internet broadcasts viewer count. The way viewers got engaged is vastly different. TV is mainstream. Twitch/afreeca are underground. The big companies are tempted to invest in TV ads hundreds of times more than in internet broadcasts. Not comparable at all. On the internet, you have control of what you see - if you don't like something you just close the tab and move to the next thing. On the TV you don't have control. Sure you can switch the channel, but the number of channels is finite - the chance of getting back to the show and continue watching it after the ads (for example) is incomparable. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2269 Posts
On December 13 2019 01:47 WCG2003 wrote: im not trying to be rude here but i dont care how they compare to one another, I just want to know what the TV ratings were. This Ty | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 13 2019 01:47 WCG2003 wrote: im not trying to be rude here but i dont care how they compare to one another, I just want to know what the TV ratings were. TV ratings averaged about 1.2~1.5%. The figure, however, was the ratings of cable broadcasts, not terrestrial ones. | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On December 16 2019 12:28 Cruiser0929 wrote: TV ratings averaged about 1.2~1.5%. The figure, however, was the ratings of cable broadcasts, not terrestrial ones. Do you mean terrestrial vs. satellite or vs. internet broadcast or? Sorry, I know that English is a difficult language, but some clarification would be nice | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
Satellite broadcasting would be the case when people need to broadcast all over the world at once like Fifa World Cup, Olympic, any other big sports event. Terrestrial broadcasting is an another word for public broadcasting that anyone can have access to watch on TV. EX) SBS, KBS, MBC, EBS and so on. I was able to watch ASL S6 S7 on TV channel somewhere like 'SPOTV Games' and probably because Afreeca signed the contract with KT Giga Internet w/e they have done with. I personally watched nOOB taking out Mong on Sylphid on TV, not internet broadcasting. Back to the question Jealous asked, I think he's talking about public broadcasting. | ||
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ggsimida
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GTR
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to be honest though literally everyone in the metro areas had cable though, it was only the sticks that didn't have access to ogn/MBC. Also iirc there were a larger majority of cable providers that only offered mbcgame and not ogn and vice versa/both fwiw | ||
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ggsimida
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GTR
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
TV providers had vastly different subscriptions and services overall then what it is today. Internet broadcasting was not available at all, there wasn't youtube even... This whole thing is not like comparing apples to oranges, it's like comparing elephants to apples. | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On December 16 2019 14:36 LaStScan wrote: I did some googling and navering to understand words he meant. This is what I came up with. Satellite broadcasting would be the case when people need to broadcast all over the world at once like Fifa World Cup, Olympic, any other big sports event. Terrestrial broadcasting is an another word for public broadcasting that anyone can have access to watch on TV. EX) SBS, KBS, MBC, EBS and so on. I was able to watch ASL S6 S7 on TV channel somewhere like 'SPOTV Games' and probably because Afreeca signed the contract with KT Giga Internet w/e they have done with. I personally watched nOOB taking out Mong on Sylphid on TV, not internet broadcasting. Back to the question Jealous asked, I think he's talking about public broadcasting. Thanks Scan! This makes a lot of sense. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
I tried googling image "nada's body" but I couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of his nice body, where can I find it? | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On December 17 2019 05:38 ninazerg wrote: So I heard that NaDa works out and has a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but I cant find it. I tried googling image "nada's body" but I couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of his nice body, where can I find it? lmao https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/100673-nadas-body | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On December 16 2019 15:44 GTR wrote: BW was never on KBS/SBS/MBC... only time was when SBS did their tournament (boxers first ever tournament win). to be honest though literally everyone in the metro areas had cable though, it was only the sticks that didn't have access to ogn/MBC. Also iirc there were a larger majority of cable providers that only offered mbcgame and not ogn and vice versa/both fwiw I might as well need to understand broadcasting system more if my words are wrong. But when i looked up, every tv channel is 지상파(land line connection broadcasting). They dont broadcast through satellite for sure. Other tv channels like SPOTV, JTBC, Sky Petpark, and more, arent they also categorized as 지상파? That's how i understood. 1st edit: okay, im wrong all about this. KBS1 KBS2 EBS MBC SBS are 지상파 tv channels. Now im questioning my self "what about other 200 of tv channels?" What are they categorized as? Hmm. | ||
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GTR
51446 Posts
On December 17 2019 09:40 LaStScan wrote: I might as well need to understand broadcasting system more if my words are wrong. But when i looked up, every tv channel is 지상파(land line connection broadcasting). They dont broadcast through satellite for sure. Other tv channels like SPOTV, JTBC, Sky Petpark, and more, arent they also categorized as 지상파? That's how i understood. 1st edit: okay, im wrong all about this. KBS1 KBS2 EBS MBC SBS are 지상파 tv channels. Now im questioning my self "what about other 200 of tv channels?" What are they categorized as? Hmm. Lets compare it to how it is in the USA: Terrestial/Free-to-air - ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS Cable - ESPN, FX, Comedy Central, MTV, HBO, Showtime In that case, Korea would be like; Terrestial/Free-to-air - KBS/KBS2, MBC, SBS, EBS Cable - OGN, JTBC, SPOTV With how subscription packages are done these days and technological advances, you can pretty much access cable channels through IPTV and vice versa. Back in the day, I remember MBCgame was the only 'esports' channel that was accessible through satellite in Korea (Skylife) which is why it had a wider outreach than OnGameNet. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Jealous
10141 Posts
I once joked that he was chained to a TV playing oov vs. Reach on Mercury until he could max at record time but I want to know the real story. Second question: What is the best way to get in touch with a progamer for a foreign fan? | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On December 18 2019 12:33 LaStScan wrote: I'm hearing ByuL(Kang, Taewan) bet his money on gambling website and got caught so he'll be excluded from sponbbang list. This is sad. I heard he became a civil servant for the police department. That's gonna be a harm. where is the source website of that announcement? don't see it from the main sponbbang.com page and byul's name is still recorded there | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 16 2019 13:10 Jealous wrote: Do you mean terrestrial vs. satellite or vs. internet broadcast or? Sorry, I know that English is a difficult language, but some clarification would be nice yes satellite | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 18 2019 07:23 BigFan wrote: Thanks for the QA and welcome to the community. I know you touched on this, but there hasn't been any further info on when Jaedong is leaving for the military. Is that right? yes There is no information as to when he will leave for the army. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 18 2019 09:48 Jealous wrote: Has Best ever explained why his macro is so good or famous? I once joked that he was chained to a TV playing oov vs. Reach on Mercury until he could max at record time but I want to know the real story. Second question: What is the best way to get in touch with a progamer for a foreign fan? If you want to talk to them, you can watch their personal broadcasts and talk to them in real time. However, it seems that a long and serious conversation is not possible only for simple communication. The reason seems to be the biggest difference in language. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 18 2019 12:33 LaStScan wrote: I'm hearing ByuL(Kang, Taewan) bet his money on gambling website and got caught so he'll be excluded from sponbbang list. This is sad. I heard he became a civil servant for the police department. That's gonna be a harm. Is that true? I knew only the facts about Kali, not Byul. | ||
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sntct
100 Posts
On December 18 2019 16:49 Cruiser0929 wrote: Is that true? I knew only the facts about Kali, not Byul. Who is Kali? | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States677 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On December 18 2019 16:49 Cruiser0929 wrote: Is that true? I knew only the facts about Kali, not Byul. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/gJbJ9eL.jpg) They seem they wont update his future record. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xeVuLlv.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/0VOE4ZJ.jpg) All of this images were found in ygosu. | ||
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ZakRoM
Costa Rica54 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On December 20 2019 23:04 ZakRoM wrote: Where can I check this amateur Protoss Mighty, I guess he streams in Afreeca can someone share the link please? http://play.afreecatv.com/lky6407 | ||
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Ideas
United States8097 Posts
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LinYu_roy
Germany21 Posts
You mentioned that many pros don't like the websites sharing replays. Reps indeed reveal a lot. But I don't understand why the pros are okay with FPVs such as online streaming? Aren't they revealing as much as replays, if not more? | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On December 21 2019 01:44 LinYu_roy wrote: Hi Cruiser0929! Thanks a lot for doing this. You mentioned that many pros don't like the websites sharing replays. Reps indeed reveal a lot. But I don't understand why the pros are okay with FPVs such as online streaming? Aren't they revealing as much as replays, if not more? Replays reveal more and are far easier to study in my opinion. I understand why pros don’t want their replays circulating, but it would be nice just to have a bunch of replays for the most standard builds for each matchup. Like 3 hatch vs 5rax +1, or 2 hatch vs goliath, etc. nothing tricky or valuable, just the most standard. | ||
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Klaus777
5 Posts
Like why did he stop playing BW? Any chances he comes back one day? Thanks mate | ||
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LocoBolon
Argentina243 Posts
On December 21 2019 09:55 Klaus777 wrote: Cruiser0929 do you anything about Jangbi? Like why did he stop playing BW? Any chances he comes back one day? Thanks mate I was about to ask the same thing. Here on TL it circulated the version that he left BW because he was goin to dedicate himself to his family business. But the other day I was playing with a korean friend and he told me another version. That after coming back from military he lied to his fans about the reason why he was not going to compete in some tournament and then the fans got really mad at him and started kind of bullying him and then he kind of went away. I also wanted to know how much of all that is accurate. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway690 Posts
It seemed a bit wierd to us. | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Connor5620
Australia203 Posts
I'm not sure if this has already been asked but could you please tell us if if you know which of the pros still need to head into the army? Much love! | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
Kali(DIC_Kali) = Amateur Zerg He was expelled from Afreecatv.com after being caught using illegal gambling websites. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 19 2019 08:40 ThunderJunk wrote: What is your favorite tournament map from 2018 - 2019? What map did everyone complain about? The most popular map was Sylphid. The most unpopular map is Multiverse yet. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 21 2019 00:33 Ideas wrote: When is the next ASL expected to start? I expect it to be around February. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 21 2019 01:44 LinYu_roy wrote: Hi Cruiser0929! Thanks a lot for doing this. You mentioned that many pros don't like the websites sharing replays. Reps indeed reveal a lot. But I don't understand why the pros are okay with FPVs such as online streaming? Aren't they revealing as much as replays, if not more? Because we have to be considerate of the other person. If the other party is reluctant to disclose the replay, it cannot. And it is because all of his game style is revealed. They go through many competitions, including ASL and KSL. So they may not want to share the replay. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 21 2019 09:55 Klaus777 wrote: Cruiser0929 do you anything about Jangbi? Like why did he stop playing BW? Any chances he comes back one day? Thanks mate He quit broadcasting for another job. I don't think he'll ever come back. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 21 2019 10:39 LocoBolon wrote: I was about to ask the same thing. Here on TL it circulated the version that he left BW because he was goin to dedicate himself to his family business. But the other day I was playing with a korean friend and he told me another version. That after coming back from military he lied to his fans about the reason why he was not going to compete in some tournament and then the fans got really mad at him and started kind of bullying him and then he kind of went away. I also wanted to know how much of all that is accurate. That's why they're both right. It's for family business. I heard you lied to your fans. I know he quit because two reasons combined. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 22 2019 02:44 Timebon3s wrote: Were Koreans annoyed by the boring post game interviews during the KESPA days? It was always the standard «I just want to show good games for my fans» answers every time. It seemed a bit wierd to us. I didn't. They just wanted to show their fans a better game. The fans were grateful to the gamers for saying that. because they know that gamers are trying for them. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On December 22 2019 16:43 Ziggy wrote: Roughly 2 years ago if memory serves correctly ogn outlined a broadcast schedule which explicitly stated theyd run a brood war tour. All ive heard since is that koreans are 'patiently waiting' for ogn to fulfill said promise. Can u shed some light on this? Yes, I've heard about But that didn't come true. The fans understood a certain extent, because they thought it was not feasible. | ||
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DjKniteX
United States238 Posts
I kinda wanna get some stuff again | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 03 2020 04:07 DjKniteX wrote: What are some places to be able to buy starcraft-esports related stuff? I used to have a mousepad from esports.co.kr and I own a couple of the esports magazines (esFORCE) I kinda wanna get some stuff again Unfortunately, you won't be able to buy such items anymore. I don't know if it's a League of Legends. I heard StarCraft doesn't sell stuff like that. | ||
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VioleTAK
4315 Posts
Bisu makes a lot of videos with the same female streamer, are they in a relationship? I remember the video of Flash saying that Bisu is too picky with women and that's the reason he has no girlfriend hehe What is the difference between ㅇㅅㅌㅅ and ㅇㅅㅁㅅ? | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 03 2020 18:37 VioleTAK wrote: Thanks for this cool thread Bisu makes a lot of videos with the same female streamer, are they in a relationship? I remember the video of Flash saying that Bisu is too picky with women and that's the reason he has no girlfriend hehe What is the difference between ㅇㅅㅌㅅ and ㅇㅅㅁㅅ? He doesn't seem to be dating yet. I don't know what "ㅇㅅㅁㅅ" means. | ||
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mmhmm
22 Posts
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1903 Posts
On January 03 2020 18:37 VioleTAK wrote: What is the difference between ㅇㅅㅌㅅ and ㅇㅅㅁㅅ? Not 100% sure but: ㅇㅅㅌㅅ = 역시택신 = as one expected Bisu (or something like that) ㅇㅅㅁㅅ is the same but for effort since he is called 매 or 매새끼 so = as one expected effort | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 03 2020 23:09 mmhmm wrote: Has Jaedong ever explained why he chose to play only under his real name and never invented a nickname for himself like "Flash," "Snow," "Rain," and most other progamers? There's no other reason. He just used his name. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 05 2020 01:49 SC-Shield wrote: Why did KeSPA abandon SC and SC2? SC2 was a poor performer. It was not a popular game in Korea. A lot has happened to SC1. The biggest incident was the match fixing scandal involving gamers. As a result, many companies disbanded their SC1 professional game teams and were not sponsors of the competition. Naturally, the SC1 professional league is gone. | ||
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GTR
51446 Posts
On January 03 2020 23:09 mmhmm wrote: Has Jaedong ever explained why he chose to play only under his real name and never invented a nickname for himself like "Flash," "Snow," "Rain," and most other progamers? a lot of n.die guild members used their real names as their ID (which is where  Jaedong,  Jaehoon and soO got their eventual id's) | ||
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mmhmm
22 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 05 2020 11:27 Cruiser0929 wrote: SC2 was a poor performer. It was not a popular game in Korea. A lot has happened to SC1. The biggest incident was the match fixing scandal involving gamers. As a result, many companies disbanded their SC1 professional game teams and were not sponsors of the competition. Naturally, the SC1 professional league is gone. Call it for what it is too. You left Blizzard because they forced their hand with the 'rights.' We'd like it if you cast more SC2. -_- | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 06 2020 03:34 mmhmm wrote: You mentioned in another thread that foreigners tend to like watching TvZ. Is it the same in Korea? What are the most popular matchups? And least popular? The most interesting match is PvsT, TvsZ, and ZvsP. They all like it. I heard that foreigners hate TvsT because it is boring. But Koreans like TvsT, too. High-level gamers' TvsTs are fast and thrilling. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 06 2020 04:33 StarStruck wrote: Call it for what it is too. You left Blizzard because they forced their hand with the 'rights.' We'd like it if you cast more SC2. -_- Does SC2 have a sponsor game? | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
You mean pro leagues? There were NASL, MLG, GSL and Dreamhack before. Nowadays GSL and Blizzcon but I don't follow pro scene much. There are smaller tournaments too. | ||
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DjKniteX
United States238 Posts
There's a couple major tiers/mid tier tournaments like IEM/Dreamhack and Homestory Cup; the premier stuff is still WCS/GSL | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 07 2020 12:39 DjKniteX wrote: There's a couple major tiers/mid tier tournaments like IEM/Dreamhack and Homestory Cup; the premier stuff is still WCS/GSL I think SC2 doesn't have a Sponsor game. Would people like me if I invited Caster to play a sponsor game of SC2 gamers? | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 07 2020 07:38 SC-Shield wrote: You mean pro leagues? There were NASL, MLG, GSL and Dreamhack before. Nowadays GSL and Blizzcon but I don't follow pro scene much. There are smaller tournaments too. I'm talking about Sponsor Games, like StarCraft1. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On January 07 2020 20:09 Cruiser0929 wrote: I think SC2 doesn't have a Sponsor game. Would people like me if I invited Caster to play a sponsor game of SC2 gamers? I'm fairly positive sponsored games would be a welcome addition to SC2. The problem you're faced with here is that there's no such platform like sponbbang.com to track those games / player ELO etc. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On January 07 2020 21:52 Ziggy wrote: I'm fairly positive sponsored games would be a welcome addition to SC2. The problem you're faced with here is that there's no such platform like sponbbang.com to track those games / player ELO etc. The main barrier would probably be SC2 players being primarily tournament competitors and secondary streamers which greatly cuts into their potential spon matches time. I have seen money games between KR pros in SC2, but there's few of them as people simply do not request them in light of being able to see their competitive play even in weekly online cups. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 07 2020 21:52 Ziggy wrote: I'm fairly positive sponsored games would be a welcome addition to SC2. The problem you're faced with here is that there's no such platform like sponbbang.com to track those games / player ELO etc. I can solve the problem. The question now is. Who's good at the SC2 commentary? Our castors don't register videos on personal YouTube channels for our YouTube channels. Besides, all YouTube revenues are reinvested for content. They don't get paid separately. Do you have any caster to join us in agreeing to these terms? | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 07 2020 22:52 Ej_ wrote: The main barrier would probably be SC2 players being primarily tournament competitors and secondary streamers which greatly cuts into their potential spon matches time. I have seen money games between KR pros in SC2, but there's few of them as people simply do not request them in light of being able to see their competitive play even in weekly online cups. So if I summarize what you're saying, SC2 doesn't need a lot of content like StarCast TV because many gamers play in big and small competitions anyway? | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On January 08 2020 02:37 Cruiser0929 wrote: So if I summarize what you're saying, SC2 doesn't need a lot of content like StarCast TV because many gamers play in big and small competitions anyway? As far as the foreign scene is concerned, I suppose that might be an accurate statement - there's loads of streamers and content creators who cover almost everything that goes on. The story might be different for Korean viewers, though - you'd need to look into that yourself ^^. Pretty much the only Korean streamer who covers online cups is Crank (https://www.twitch.tv/tvcrank), which means there's probably much less content being delivered to the Korean fanbase. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On January 08 2020 03:26 Ziggy wrote: As far as the foreign scene is concerned, I suppose that might be an accurate statement - there's loads of streamers and content creators who cover almost everything that goes on. The story might be different for Korean viewers, though - you'd need to look into that yourself ^^. Pretty much the only Korean streamer who covers online cups is Crank (https://www.twitch.tv/tvcrank), which means there's probably much less content being delivered to the Korean fanbase. So when you're working on content for SC2, you're going to have to do it. Is casting more desirable for Koreans, not for foreigners? If there are various big and small competitions in a foreign country. Foreigners are unlikely to react much to this content. | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On January 12 2020 20:15 whaski wrote: Hello Cruiser0929, how come Mong is streaming. He was just enlisted to army. http://bj.afreecatv.com/cksgmldbs/post/50998591 seems like he has to wait for another 6 months before his service actually starts | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On January 12 2020 22:09 ggsimida wrote: http://bj.afreecatv.com/cksgmldbs/post/50998591 seems like he has to wait for another 6 months before his service actually starts He started his service long ago. He requested to change his working place due to his health issue and it will take a long time. | ||
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FakeFin
Germany392 Posts
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On January 15 2020 06:59 FakeFin wrote: I saw that Soulkey streamed today. How was that possible? I though they weren't allowed to stream during service? On January 14 2020 23:58 Chris_Havoc wrote: Some are allowed stream while they are still doing their service. Same thing happened to Polt streaming SC2. If memory serves Polt was able stream at certain hours on certain days as long as he had permission from his superiors to do so. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On January 15 2020 06:59 FakeFin wrote: I saw that Soulkey streamed today. How was that possible? I though they weren't allowed to stream during service? he lost 9 digits amount of KRW(6 digits amount of USD) by some fraud in a month. he saved up his money for 10 years, lost all of it in a month. his future plan for now is stream 10 hours a day every day, participate all the opened tournaments. | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On January 15 2020 09:23 LaStScan wrote: he lost 9 digits amount of KRW(6 digits amount of USD) by some fraud in a month. he saved up his money for 10 years, lost all of it in a month. his future plan for now is stream 10 hours a day every day, participate all the opened tournaments. Ouch. That's...not good. Hope it wasn't stolen by someone Soulkey trusted in a business deal gone bad.  | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On January 15 2020 09:50 Chris_Havoc wrote: Ouch. That's...not good. Hope it wasn't stolen by someone Soulkey trusted in a business deal gone bad. Pretty sure that's what happened to Stork so I wouldn't be surprised. It seems that progamers really lack real world experience because of their adolescent lifestyle... | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On January 15 2020 09:23 LaStScan wrote: he lost 9 digits amount of KRW(6 digits amount of USD) by some fraud in a month. he saved up his money for 10 years, lost all of it in a month. his future plan for now is stream 10 hours a day every day, participate all the opened tournaments. So is Soulkey done with his service or did he just postpone it? | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On January 15 2020 19:04 whaski wrote: So is Soulkey done with his service or did he just postpone it? Plz think deeply why i'm not back yet. | ||
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oxKnu
1179 Posts
On January 15 2020 09:23 LaStScan wrote: he lost 9 digits amount of KRW(6 digits amount of USD) by some fraud in a month. he saved up his money for 10 years, lost all of it in a month. his future plan for now is stream 10 hours a day every day, participate all the opened tournaments. Interesting, was it a business endeavor gone-wrong or just straight theft? | ||
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g0rynich
Russian Federation139 Posts
Okay, we understood that SK lost all his money and now will be streaming all the day. How come he is free from military service so early? He left just 4 or 5 months ago. | ||
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