EPTFlash withdraws from ASL S7, Wildcard results - Page 4
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
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halomonian
Brazil255 Posts
On December 21 2018 06:23 TheNewEra wrote: the arch enemy of all progamers after they hit puberty XellOs is weeping somewhere with that comment | ||
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Cheesefome
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Rodya
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ASL 2 - 1st ASL 3 - 1st ASL 4 - 1st ASL 5 - top 8 ASL 6 - 2nd These are the starleagues that FlaSh has played in the new era. But please, show me anyone with a remotely comparable record. ASL 5 maps were unbalanced for TvP pretty sure that is well established. For reference, EffOrt looks like: ASL 1 - eliminated in first group ASL 2 - top 24 ASL 3 - top 16 ASL 4 - top 16 ASL 5 - top 16 ASL 6 - 1st But no, clearly you must be a Flash fanboy to think that Effort isn't better then him... I wonder why people hate on Flash. It's so weird to me - why do you have contempt for someone so admirable? | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10626 Posts
On December 22 2018 08:04 Cele wrote: Flash wins: -> He's obviously the better player, he's god. Also he has an aura -> Flash will ofc win the next big thing too! Flash loses: -> the maps favor the opponent -> Flash wrist hurts -> Flash didn't really want to win it so bad -> the opponent made a mistake by not respecting Flash Aura enough -> his opponent will surely falter in the next tournament and fade away Justbigfanthings i propose that Flash will never be lower than Rank #2 in the PR because of his Aura!! imagine not even attempting to properly frame someone's argument properly to criticize it. read what rodya wrote. you really think people give flash the benefit of the doubt for no reason? jesus christ you people give me an aneurysm every time i come onto this site. | ||
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ggsimida
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like seriously, he beat flash in a bo5, full stop. can you beat flash in a bo5? can anyone? yes flash is the GOAT, but give credit where credit is due, if theres anybody whom you can bet on to beat flash in a high boX its effort. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11112 Posts
 Obviously a loss to go another season without the big bad lurking. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 22 2018 07:16 Ty2 wrote: How did Rain take 2 games off of Sharp....Is Sharp starting to get off his game? Haha oh no you didn't! On December 22 2018 00:57 BigFan wrote: Don't open that can of worms! lol. I tried mentioning it during the ASL6 finals LR, but I rattled several folks it seems, and I also don't like questioning the result at this point. Either way, my thoughts on this is that if Flash was 100%, he would've used more bio-based builds, instead of the 1-1-1 which is easier on the wrists and the finals would've more than likely ended in his favour. However, that would also be making excuses because EffOrt also plays the game at a high APM so his wrists are probably close to getting busted as well. It's much like Last having bad wrists again, and getting destroyed by SK in KSL2. Would he have won their series or was SK still that much better regardless that day? It's part of their physical training, aka preservation so we should just forget about this imo. I would've liked to see him 5 rax +1 for just a bit more time, too bad. From which hat did you pull that out off? If you came in with a sick stats a la Letmelose at least that's something... but I don't see anything but baseless conjectures. We all thought Flash has a higher chance to win with whatever build he used, but he didn't that last time. + Show Spoiler + I can imagine you giving excuses for months if you were to lose to me in a grudge match. hahahahaha | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On December 22 2018 10:31 Rodya wrote: ASL 1 - top 8 ASL 2 - 1st ASL 3 - 1st ASL 4 - 1st ASL 5 - top 8 ASL 6 - 2nd These are the starleagues that FlaSh has played in the new era. But please, show me anyone with a remotely comparable record. ASL 5 maps were unbalanced for TvP pretty sure that is well established. For reference, EffOrt looks like: ASL 1 - eliminated in first group ASL 2 - top 24 ASL 3 - top 16 ASL 4 - top 16 ASL 5 - top 16 ASL 6 - 1st But no, clearly you must be a Flash fanboy to think that Effort isn't better then him... I wonder why people hate on Flash. It's so weird to me - why do you have contempt for someone so admirable? This is a really ironic post to be made by someone who made excuses for Koreans losing to foreigners in SC2 for months ahahahahaah | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On December 22 2018 17:50 Ej_ wrote: This is a really ironic post to be made by someone who made excuses for Koreans losing to foreigners in SC2 for months ahahahahaah Because that's surely relevant to his point ^^ ? I'm happy to see TL doesn't change, power rank ish bickering is always a joy to behold. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria903 Posts
On December 22 2018 08:56 Kurao wrote: I suppose it shouldn't be called the Achilles heel but the God's wrist. He mentioned his military service during the interview post-ASL s6 finals, let's hope it doesn't happen yet. Especially when there's still over 9 months till Bisu comes back (hopefully TT) Bisu has secured Korean peace, Kim Jong Un wants to negotiate now. They should send him home soon. :D | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On December 22 2018 17:25 JieXian wrote: Haha oh no you didn't! From which hat did you pull that out off? If you came in with a sick stats a la Letmelose at least that's something... but I don't see anything but baseless conjectures. We all thought Flash has a higher chance to win with whatever build he used, but he didn't that last time. + Show Spoiler + I can imagine you giving excuses for months if you were to lose to me in a grudge match. hahahahaha Let's take a step back and remember how this conversation started. I was addressing a person that declared Flash as the "best player in the world". What you guys are arguing with Effort is the "best player to beat Flash". Flash is by far a better pick then Effort for best player in the world. And it's easy when you consider the best needs to be the best in all 3 match ups. Effort falls way short in ZvZ ( 19 wins - 20 losses (48.72%) ) meanwhile Flash dominates his mirror matchup (21 wins - 7 losses (75.00%) ) along with his non-mirror matchups. You can try and argue the volatility of ZvZ, but I think it is a weak argument we considering a player to be the best. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10892 Posts
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Jealous
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On December 22 2018 08:56 Kurao wrote: I suppose it shouldn't be called the Achilles heel but the God's wrist. He mentioned his military service during the interview post-ASL s6 finals, let's hope it doesn't happen yet. Especially when there's still over 9 months till Bisu comes back (hopefully TT) How can he even go to military if he can't even play BW? I mean, maybe they will take him as a military tactician or something but he still has to do basic lol. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 23 2018 00:32 BisuDagger wrote: Let's take a step back and remember how this conversation started. I was addressing a person that declared Flash as the "best player in the world". What you guys are arguing with Effort is the "best player to beat Flash". Flash is by far a better pick then Effort for best player in the world. And it's easy when you consider the best needs to be the best in all 3 match ups. Effort falls way short in ZvZ ( 19 wins - 20 losses (48.72%) ) meanwhile Flash dominates his mirror matchup (21 wins - 7 losses (75.00%) ) along with his non-mirror matchups. You can try and argue the volatility of ZvZ, but I think it is a weak argument we considering a player to be the best. I don't belong to the same group as "you guys". I just stated that we all expected Flash to be the better player in any match up no matter what build he used. I don't think there's any argument to be made pick Effort over Flash for best player in the world + Show Spoiler + or as as some would say, out of the question I was merely disputing a single line from BigFan, which I think you can agree, is a baseless statement without any value that appears to be excuses for Flash's loss, unless he actually has some proper basis for all the following points that I wasn't aware of: my thoughts on this is that if Flash was 100%, he would've used more bio-based builds, instead of the 1-1-1 which is easier on the wrists and the finals would've more than likely ended in his favour. 1) Was Flash not at 100% during the finals? Was it a particuarly bad day for his wrists such that it affected his performance badly? 2) Is 1-1-1 into bio easier on the wrists? What is the basis of that? I see early game vulture and wraith micro with intense requirement to scout for allins, as opposed to sitting at home with mnm but I am not an authority on the matter. 3) Does Flash have a higher chance to win going for a bio-based build and a lower chance to win going 1-1-1 vs Effort? What is the basis of that? 4) Even if 2 and 3 are true, is 1-1-1 so significantly easier on the wrists that Flash would rather go for a suboptimal build? Or did he open 1-1-1 for another reason like its suitability (higher chance to win) for the map? 5) What about Effort, was he perfectly fine at 100% with no wrist pains? Effort might not be at 100% either and who knows what would have happened if both of them were at 100%. What's the point of all this conjecture? It's so frustrating to have to list this down an argue about this. I can understand the discussion if we were talking about Last vs Soulkey in KSL2. Last played exceptionally badly. However it's still unfair to Soulkey to say that if Last were at 100%, he wouldn't have gone for those all-ins and would've "more than likely" won the set. We can only say that Last probably would not have done those allins and would have probably put up a better fight. | ||
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medium_AI
Norway42 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On December 22 2018 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote: imagine not even attempting to properly frame someone's argument properly to criticize it. read what rodya wrote. you really think people give flash the benefit of the doubt for no reason? jesus christ you people give me an aneurysm every time i come onto this site. Now i am already “you people“ huh? I think you should take a step back from this because apparently you take the whole thing quite serious. I was just pointing out, that bigfan is sometimes a bit over the top in being a fanboy. I mean thats allright, everybody can ofc have some bias for his favorite player. I simply find his way of finding an excuse in external factors whenever Flash loses funny. Thats my observation of various threads where the subject got touched. And for clarification: i made no statement about Effort being a better player overall. He was the better player in that series, because he won it thats all to it. I made a statement about the misleading idea that we can just assume that Flash lost due to his wrist pain -> proclaimed need to play the 1-1-1. I refer to Jealous post here, it's tedious to spell it out. You get an aneurysm by me making a joke about Bigfan being a fanboy? What the hell is your problem precisely? | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10626 Posts
you always have been "you people" | ||
BigFan
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