Flash withdraws from ASL S7, Wildcard results

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Cele

Germany4016 Posts

December 23 2018 12:06 GMT

#81

On December 23 2018 12:42 FlaShFTW wrote:

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you always have been "you people"

i dunno, if you feel like insulting me for that joke, just go right along. People here can read and make up their own mind.

At least i don't think thats a fair way to behave on a forum unlike "you people" who get aggressive when they feel threatened in their fanboy-ism.

Just for curiosity: who is "you people" and what do we do in general that triggers your nerdrage so hard?

Chef

10810 Posts

December 23 2018 20:49 GMT

#82

On December 23 2018 00:32 BisuDagger wrote:

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On December 22 2018 17:25 JieXian wrote:

On December 22 2018 07:16 Ty2 wrote:

On December 22 2018 06:55 JieXian wrote:
No one's going to talk about how Sharp beat Rain again?

How did Rain take 2 games off of Sharp....Is Sharp starting to get off his game?

Haha oh no you didn't!

On December 22 2018 00:57 BigFan wrote:

On December 22 2018 00:42 BisuDagger wrote:

On December 21 2018 13:04 Ideas wrote:
This really sucks. No offense to KSL but starleague wins don't feel as "real" to me if you know the best player in the world isn't in it :\

I hope flash can recover and come back for at least 1 more ASL before going to military.

That brings up a good question. If his physical capabilities were not hindered, would he be the current #1 unbeatable player. There are lots of different champions in the last 4 starleagues, but none of them look as invincible as Flash did during his triple ASL run. Being that his ASL run was just a year prior, I think we could argue that he would still be winning every tournament.

Don't open that can of worms! lol. I tried mentioning it during the ASL6 finals LR, but I rattled several folks it seems, and I also don't like questioning the result at this point. Either way, my thoughts on this is that if Flash was 100%, he would've used more bio-based builds, instead of the 1-1-1 which is easier on the wrists and the finals would've more than likely ended in his favour. However, that would also be making excuses because EffOrt also plays the game at a high APM so his wrists are probably close to getting busted as well. It's much like Last having bad wrists again, and getting destroyed by SK in KSL2. Would he have won their series or was SK still that much better regardless that day? It's part of their physical training, aka preservation so we should just forget about this imo. I would've liked to see him 5 rax +1 for just a bit more time, too bad.

From which hat did you pull that out off?

If you came in with a sick stats a la Letmelose at least that's something... but I don't see anything but baseless conjectures. We all thought Flash has a higher chance to win with whatever build he used, but he didn't that last time.

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I can imagine you giving excuses for months if you were to lose to me in a grudge match.

hahahahaha

Let's take a step back and remember how this conversation started. I was addressing a person that declared Flash as the "best player in the world". What you guys are arguing with Effort is the "best player to beat Flash".

Flash is by far a better pick then Effort for best player in the world. And it's easy when you consider the best needs to be the best in all 3 match ups. Effort falls way short in ZvZ ( 19 wins - 20 losses (48.72%) ) meanwhile Flash dominates his mirror matchup (21 wins - 7 losses (75.00%) ) along with his non-mirror matchups. You can try and argue the volatility of ZvZ, but I think it is a weak argument we considering a player to be the best.

I guess that's fair, but Effort really did get screwed with being stuck in all ZvZ groups. The way I always thought of StarCraft back in the day was not who is the best player in the world, but who could beat who. And Effort has always been someone who could stand toe to toe with Flash, just like Jaedong and Bisu and Stork. You just know the quality of those games is going to be stellar, and even if you have a favourite it's hard to call the winner.

On the other hand, both PvP and ZvZ suffer, and ZvZ does the most. In every other matchup a better player gets more opportunities to pull ahead, a weaker player gets more opportunities to make mistakes as the game goes into mid and late. In TvT especially almost all games go to late game. So if you're saying it's a weak argument when considering who is the best player in the world, I'd say it's just as easy to rephrase it as an argument for why all Terran are overall stronger, not just Flash, than their asymmetric counterparts who might be able to go pretty evenly with them. On the other hand, I genuinely think long televised TvT matches were part of Flash's wrist problems (to, miraculously, somehow come back on topic) who always pushed himself very hard. I remember some games where it really seemed like players would purposely try to make the games go long against him, particularly in winners league, or the opposing team would send Terran after Terran.