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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On January 26 2018 08:24 jinjin5000 wrote: Whole load of nothing for 2 paragraphs. What would you expect? A multi billion dollar company is not going to wage a social media war that they stand little chance of winning. | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On January 26 2018 08:24 jinjin5000 wrote: Whole load of nothing for 2 paragraphs. Plus, this was buried in there: "we and Afreeca have been finalizing plans for SCR esports before, during, and after that confusing post." So that's something. Maybe instead of this stupid year by year license they're working out a multi year partnership with team battles and whatnot. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
428 Posts
BTW. wasn't there some statement a month or so ago, that said, that ASL5 will start in February and also stream the qualification matches this time? | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 26 2018 09:05 PorkSoda wrote: Plus, this was buried in there: "we and Afreeca have been finalizing plans for SCR esports before, during, and after that confusing post." So that's something. Maybe instead of this stupid year by year license they're working out a multi year partnership with team battles and whatnot. Wow. Blizzard has blessed us with the message that they are in negotiations with AfreecaTV regarding ATB and ASL, leagues that would have both been under way without Blizzard's interventions. What a relief, now that Blizzard can go back to business without us little ants pestering them about wanting back what we had before. Unless Blizzard wants to add more than what was there for competitive Brood War, and the all mighty AfreecaTV has been the ones to hold that vision back, we're back to square one with thumbs up our asses while Blizzard and AfreecaTV do their little dance of how much Blizzard is owed for others using their intellectual property. Will AfreecaTV take the financial hit and man up to their words of going in the red for competitive Brood War? Will Blizzard lower their fees and actually deliver on their promise on being fully committed to SCR e-Sports? Find out next week on fuck-all competitive Brood War, where it's all speculation, and the possibilities are endless! Will the negotiations be extended? Will we have a multi-year partnership? Will it all come crashing down like it did before? Yes. This is exactly what the Brood War community desired. Empty promises and speculation over the end-results while zero competitive Brood War takes place. | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
On January 26 2018 11:44 PorkSoda wrote: ^^^and this is why I’m surprised blizzard even bothered to make a statement. Because nothing short of announcing that they struck a deal would be good enough for most fans. Even if they announced that people would still find a way to be annoyed with them. you are not annoyed by blizzards course of action? | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 26 2018 11:44 PorkSoda wrote: ^^^and this is why I’m surprised blizzard even bothered to make a statement. Because nothing short of announcing that they struck a deal would be good enough for most fans. Even if they announced that people would still find a way to be annoyed with them. Imagine that, a simple confirmation that foundations of competitive Brood War will carry on existing without any difficulties being the baseline expectations for people on a Brood War community. Nevermind ATB being postponed indefinitely and ASL Season 5 being delayed, let us just wait and assume by the grace of Blizzard that all those tournaments will take place just like before, and even if they don't, well it isn't our place to question Blizzard and their intentions. You may sit there and stay bemused while competitive Brood War is being held back while Blizzard and AfreecaTV argue over how much control and finances Blizzard believe themselves to be entitled to (the lengths of which Blizzard have been willing to take that conflict have been shown in the past), I believe there are those who want nothing more than competitive Brood War being back on schedule. So spare me your personal insight on what makes Blizzard tick and how their public image has been affected by the current status quo, because I'm not here for Blizzard's policies, I go on this site for competitive Brood War. That is the only reason I'm on this site. | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On January 26 2018 12:23 Bakuryu wrote: you are not annoyed by blizzards course of action? I’m extremely annoyed that they’re having trouble striking a deal but I also know that there’s probably another side to this story. As others have mentioned, professional gaming in Korea has been an extremely shady, often corrupt, industry. I want ASL5 as bad as anyone, but I’m not going to rush to judgement. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 26 2018 12:47 PorkSoda wrote: I’m extremely annoyed that they’re having trouble striking a deal but I also know that there’s probably another side to this story. As others have mentioned, professional gaming in Korea has been an extremely shady, often corrupt, industry. I want ASL5 as bad as anyone, but I’m not going to rush to judgement. You talk as if Blizzard were the ones organizing and promoting competitive Brood War for the past few years, and it's been other shady, often corrupt companies holding them back from realizing their dream of competitive Brood War prospering beyond our wildest imaginations. You would be the kind of guy to be annoyed at Blizzard finding trouble to striking a deal, rather than being annoyed that competitive Brood War is being held back. Like it or not, AfreecaTV has been hosting competitive Brood War just fine without Blizzard's assistance or their need to strike deals until Blizzard decided to be a little more hands on. Further more, I have no doubt that they have indulged in shady affairs like any company in existence has. The important thing is that competitive Brood War has been going on. I don't care about AfreecaTV's finances or their shady policies, and if the end result is the continuation of competitive Brood War, that's good enough for me. You claim to be as invested in the continuation of competitive Brood War more than anybody else, but all your words speak contrary to that statement. All your posts have been concerned more about Blizzard more than anything else. What their public perception may be. What other companies are doing to inconvenience them. What their motives and best course of action would be. Barely a single sentence about the actual status of competitive Brood War, and yet here you are pretending to want the continuation of competitive Brood War as bad as anyone else. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Considering Blizzard's history with the scene, I would not be surprised if they are the ones holding it up and no one should be. It's a shame really, remastered has been one of the biggest and most disappointing news for the community too. All we really wanted was for BW to get compatibility fixes (OS, port forwarding, that color fix etc...) so that new folks will at least be able to try it without having to jump through many hoops and things would've been fine and dandy with ASL, ATB etc... all running on time. Instead, we got a product that didn't deliver on its promises with lots of bugs, worse features than it's predecessor (SD anyone?) and the korean scene is at stake once again, sigh. I only hope that BW comes out of this unscathed... | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10398 Posts
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On January 26 2018 13:02 Letmelose wrote: You talk as if Blizzard were the ones organizing and promoting competitive Brood War for the past few years, and it's been other shady, often corrupt companies holding them back from realizing their dream of competitive Brood War prospering beyond our wildest imaginations. You would be the kind of guy to be annoyed at Blizzard finding trouble to striking a deal, rather than being annoyed that competitive Brood War is being held back. Like it or not, AfreecaTV has been hosting competitive Brood War just fine without Blizzard's assistance or their need to strike deals until Blizzard decided to be a little more hands on. Further more, I have no doubt that they have indulged in shady affairs like any company in existence has. The important thing is that competitive Brood War has been going on. I don't care about AfreecaTV's finances or their shady policies, and if the end result is the continuation of competitive Brood War, that's good enough for me. You claim to be as invested in the continuation of competitive Brood War more than anybody else, but all your words speak contrary to that statement. All your posts have been concerned more about Blizzard more than anything else. What their public perception may be. What other companies are doing to inconvenience them. What their motives and best course of action would be. Barely a single sentence about the actual status of competitive Brood War, and yet here you are pretending to want the continuation of competitive Brood War as bad as anyone else. I guess I’m not as freaked out as some people because I think it is inevitable that they come to an agreement. If they don’t make a deal with Afreeca, then they don’t make any deals at all. As far as we know Afreeca is the only one willing to pay the licensing fee. So given the choice of sell to Afreeca or sell to no one, I think they will find a way to come to an agreement with Afreeca. I may be totally wrong and this is the end of competitive brood war as we know it, but I seriously doubt it. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 26 2018 12:47 PorkSoda wrote: I’m extremely annoyed that they’re having trouble striking a deal but I also know that there’s probably another side to this story. As others have mentioned, professional gaming in Korea has been an extremely shady, often corrupt, industry. I want ASL5 as bad as anyone, but I’m not going to rush to judgement. Lol, so professional gaming in Korea is all that?, "often corrupt, shady,....", you are watching too many stupid movies kid, please support this with many examples of corruption and blah, blah, blah. | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
On January 26 2018 15:09 palexhur wrote: Lol, so professional gaming in Korea is all that?, "often corrupt, shady,....", you are watching too many stupid movies kid, please support this with many examples of corruption and blah, blah, blah. Here’s a very recent example that was easy to find https://www.google.com/amp/s/dotesports.com/business/news/kespa-south-korean-police-raid-18540/amp There’s the Savior match fixing scandal https://www.google.com/amp/www.usgamer.net/amp/league-of-legends-match-rigging-exposed-after-pro-player-attempts-suicide So there three, one of them very recent and involving KeSPA. There more but you know how to use google. | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 26 2018 15:05 PorkSoda wrote: I guess I’m not as freaked out as some people because I think it is inevitable that they come to an agreement. If they don’t make a deal with Afreeca, then they don’t make any deals at all. As far as we know Afreeca is the only one willing to pay the licensing fee. So given the choice of sell to Afreeca or sell to no one, I think they will find a way to come to an agreement with Afreeca. I may be totally wrong and this is the end of competitive brood war as we know it, but I seriously doubt it. So your entire logic is if it is unlikely to happen, the severity of the consequences holds no bearing at all? If AfreecaTV doesn't pay the fees, and Blizzard aren't willing to let them broadcast competitive Brood War, this is the end of competitive Brood War as we know it. You do realize what happened to MBC Game and Ongament after they refused to pay the necessary liscencing fees to Blizzard right? It is rather astounding how blase your entire facade is if you truly are invested in the health of the Brood War scene, because the mere suggestion of the end of competitive Brood War makes me sick to the stomach, while you seem to be totally fine with rolling the dice and counting on Blizzard's line of reasoning to match yours. I truly don't understand how you can claim to truly care for Brood War if your focus of attention is everything but that. If there is solid evidence that competitive Brood War will never be held back again by Blizzard, and all this scheduling inconvenience was a temporary retreat for the sake of the advancement of the heath of the Brood War scene, then I'm all ears. Nothing would make me happier. What assurances do we have right now that Blizzard will not end either ATB or ASL, which were both running on schedule before Blizzard's intervention? Your blase attitude, and Blizzard's stellar track record with the Brood War community? I'm grasping at the straws for any hope, but that doesn't quite cut it when the very existence of competitive Brood War is at stake. You may be willing to be totally wrong with this, but it's not about being right or wrong for the others. Please prove me wrong with facts and evidence. Otherwise your apathetic line of reasoning and lack of concern may as well be ten pages of bootlicking garbage about how awesome Blizzard is and why we are lucky to have them with us. You are tunnel-visioning on the fact that the evidence for competitive Brood War being under threat are coming from so-called untrustworthy sources such as AfreecaTV, and that there are no confirmations from Blizzard's end (the only source that truly matters, if they say it's fine, it must be fine). That's cute, but what evidence do we have that competitive Brood War is safe? Doesn't the very existence of such dooming evidence terrify you if you truly want competitive Brood War to happen more than anyone else? | ||
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Pippah
Denmark356 Posts
On January 26 2018 10:49 Letmelose wrote: Wow. Blizzard has blessed us with the message that they are in negotiations with AfreecaTV regarding ATB and ASL, leagues that would have both been under way without Blizzard's interventions. What a relief, now that Blizzard can go back to business without us little ants pestering them about wanting back what we had before. Unless Blizzard wants to add more than what was there for competitive Brood War, and the all mighty AfreecaTV has been the ones to hold that vision back, we're back to square one with thumbs up our asses while Blizzard and AfreecaTV do their little dance of how much Blizzard is owed for others using their intellectual property. Will AfreecaTV take the financial hit and man up to their words of going in the red for competitive Brood War? Will Blizzard lower their fees and actually deliver on their promise on being fully committed to SCR e-Sports? Find out next week on fuck-all competitive Brood War, where it's all speculation, and the possibilities are endless! Will the negotiations be extended? Will we have a multi-year partnership? Will it all come crashing down like it did before? Yes. This is exactly what the Brood War community desired. Empty promises and speculation over the end-results while zero competitive Brood War takes place. <3 always spot on ! | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 26 2018 15:31 PorkSoda wrote: Here’s a very recent example that was easy to find https://www.google.com/amp/s/dotesports.com/business/news/kespa-south-korean-police-raid-18540/amp There’s the Savior match fixing scandal https://www.google.com/amp/www.usgamer.net/amp/league-of-legends-match-rigging-exposed-after-pro-player-attempts-suicide So there three, one of them very recent and involving KeSPA. There more but you know how to use google. I know those , so in more than 15 years of progaming in Korea you cite three cases that everybody here knows, and you dare to say often corrupt? shady? lol, for real? seriously your posts are not even worthy to read anymore. Gl, cya, have a good life kid. | ||
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Altay
31 Posts
Im a bit late to the party but I have been sending the ASL2 FlashVSJD video to everyone I know, it would be a shame to let something this beautiful die. | ||
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