EPT"THE SHOW" with Artosis, Idra, Nony, iNcontroL - Page 11
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Falling
Canada11511 Posts
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
 It's funny though speaking as an outsider, I couldn't help but smile when Geoff did some trashing on the Media-terran attitude. It was well known outside Media as well. It's like you knew the moment you faced a media-terran on ladder, you'd get flamed to shit if you beat them, fun times EDIT: By the way my most memorable memory of Artosis is actually a TvT against A2 (Advokate) I can't remember what tournament but it was a tournament series. Artosis had come back from a real disadvantage and couldn't help but to rub it in A2's face by saying "Try stopping this" as he was a second from unloading a doom drop in A2's main. Advokate some fucking how fought back and won the game, ending it with a similar "Try stopping this" and Artosis just rage quit. So god damn funny. If anyone remembers the series that would be awesome. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12039 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:04 Qikz wrote: One question I wish I could have asked is why exactly Artosis hates Teamliquid now. He said he didn't like it and it was a bad forum, but he didn't really go into why he thought that. He said it used to be great and it is okay now. Back in the day, teamliquid was the main hub for almost all foreign top players. Everyone of the top players came here to discuss bw - tournament results, strategy, ... and their opinion was held in a much higher regard than the average user's. Nowadays, in the times of sponsorships, contracts and social media, top players and personalities are much less inclined to post personal opinions on here as it could very easily affect their careers. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12039 Posts
On August 30 2017 20:14 Mandalor wrote: He said it used to be great and it is okay now. Back in the day, teamliquid was the main hub for almost all foreign top players. Everyone of the top players came here to discuss bw - tournament results, strategy, ... and their opinion was held in a much higher regard than the average user's. Nowadays, in the times of sponsorships, contracts and social media, top players and personalities are much less inclined to post personal opinions on here as it could very easily affect their careers. I suppose, but some of the best players in the foreign scene still post on here. I guess it's just the problem with sponsered players. I'd agree that the forum has changed a lot of the past 8 years since I've been here, but I'd argue that the Broodwar section is similar to how I remember it in 2009. We're still a close knit community for the most part who have all continued to do our best to keep people interested and get people involved in playing. It's mainly all the newer people who joined for SC2 (and I'm not being elitest here, it's just there was a hell of a huge swing in popularity when SC2 came out) who seem to have issues. The SC2 section sometimes is a hellhole. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
The attitude of the community also changed a lot. The poster's skill and post count or account age heavily influenced how you were treated here. I remember getting into an argument with Twisted about something and I was shut down, because it was an argument between a respected member of the community and the average forum member and the discussion wasn't going anywhere (I wasn't warned or banned, just politely told to stfu), and I was fine with it. I don't think people would accept to be treated that way now. EDIT: For the record, I still think I was right  | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On August 30 2017 21:06 Qikz wrote: I suppose, but some of the best players in the foreign scene still post on here. I guess it's just the problem with sponsered players. I'd agree that the forum has changed a lot of the past 8 years since I've been here, but I'd argue that the Broodwar section is similar to how I remember it in 2009. We're still a close knit community for the most part who have all continued to do our best to keep people interested and get people involved in playing. It's mainly all the newer people who joined for SC2 (and I'm not being elitest here, it's just there was a hell of a huge swing in popularity when SC2 came out) who seem to have issues. The SC2 section sometimes is a hellhole. I would mostly agree with that... but remember this thread and what happened to it, and you'll get a pretty good idea of why the top players stopped caring about the TeamLiquid forums. iNcontroL tried to defend himself from the legions of mouthbreathing fucktards who descended on that thread to let out all the pent-up aggression they've been harboring since SC2 took SC1's place as the main focus of the website, and he got warned for it. Of course he's not gonna hang around. This website was absolutely not ready for the SC2 transition, and the strategy forum in particular became an unbelievable, whiny mess. There was no real attempt at quality control for a long time, so all of the high level players who were still trying to contribute were completely drowned out by hordes of idiots. Worse, unlike back in the "glory days" the pros couldn't call them all out for being the mouthbreathing fucktards to a man as they were because they would have been warned and banned for bad behavior. We must protect the new players and shield them from iNcontroL calling their opinions retarded. This place is no longer the place in which I used to lurk. I'm just here because it's still the best place for SC/BW news and updates and hype, and the BW section is mostly all right. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 30 2017 22:02 Mandalor wrote: The top players still posting here are definitely much more restrained than they used to be. I mean, Idra was banned a hundred times and even incontrol (who I never perceived as very opinionated) was banned a couple of times, I believe. If you pull that off now, there's bound to be additional backlash on twitter, reddit, etc. The attitude of the community also changed a lot. The poster's skill and post count or account age heavily influenced how you were treated here. I remember getting into an argument with Twisted about something and I was shut down, because it was an argument between a respected member of the community and the average forum member and the discussion wasn't going anywhere (I wasn't warned or banned, just politely told to stfu), and I was fine with it. I don't think people would accept to be treated that way now. If they don't accept that, it's perfectly fine; this is not a public space, it is a privately owned discussion website. No one is entitled to posting here, it's a privilege and it can and should be taken away if you don't meet the criteria for having this privilege. IMO it's more to do with the staff either being less involved, having less manpower to work with or a saddening attitude shift where demonstrably ignorant new users are still allowed to spout their shit as long as they don't get too flamey. At least in the StarCraft forums. Granted it doesn't help that there's now a TeamLiquid section for every big game under the sun (and also Smash); that definitely demands more time and effort from mods... +EDIT: Gonna +1 hard to Aylear's post as well... | ||
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
I hope you can gather these guys (or some other well known folks) for a fun little show again in the future. May be make something beginner friendly or fun - like say... explaining macro in a UMS-game or something. I see potential in doing a show that is beginner-friendly and interesting for newcomers or SC2 players and fun / entertaining for oldschoolers as well. I feel like most streams and shows on twitch require at least basic knowledge of the game to be enjoyable. Granted, Im watching more BW now than I have in the past couple years and really love it, but I noticed that many viewers who havent watched Day9 or read through TL a little bit are left out and leave rather quickly. | ||
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Blue
Norway359 Posts
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
greg nony dan (cobravenom and anyone unnamed who helped too) ..like many i never get bored of going down nostalgia lane... i'm unsure if you want/need my advice, but not knowing never stops me  if i may, the $how needs at least one game being played while you talk about scbw and sc2lotv and other rts (you all hop into a game of a current streamer on ladder as obs or you play each in turn like you would have done 20 years ago, just on stream / while doing the show) at least one famous game to watch / comment (for instance take games from jaedong's scbw and from sc2 when he's at the "peek" of his skill, 3 games of the same pro <3 (he went back to brudwur no?  )).. so that you peeps keep going back and forth from/to the game which would lead to anecdotes that would have come organically.. not to mention those games deserve to be showcased <3 honored <3 (i do understand that there is work involved in making that work but i think you would see a real roi investing in the time for it to work, color me hopeful)the subjects of discussion should be current  topics like: what is macro and how it has evolved from vanilla sc1 to lotv and other rts in 2017 .. how is it going to be in 2018 and beyond... how adding scourge would completely change sc2lotv (as an example showcasing how different both rts are even with very similar unit/gameplay/limits).. is graffitying an offensive gg acceptable to artosis (i mean it is implemented by blizz to be used right?) .. ergo the future of gamer "ingame banter/meta" and how it could be in 10/20 years or even just what you guys would like it to be, what your position on bm/banter is really and how it has evolved latest metas in both scbw and sc2lotv build order/gameplay.. and what it can mean (is the meta always going to set the two games apart or closer together?) ... etc etc Discussing real live subjects would sell so much more than nostalgia lane! in closing, i'll offer my services for any map editor work if you want to make maps for the show (again, getting pros playing maps .. to get them talking about maps/mapmaking (its history/potential/community/etc) and add that if you but ask, you'll get said mapmaking community working with u with ease.. they are waiting for it! again thank you for the "$how" glhf compulsory funny picture: ![[image loading]](http://image.excite.it/lei/foto/Hello-Kitty-The-Show-la-nuova-linea-make-up-Deborah/4-deborah-hello-kitty-the-show-02.jpg) | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On August 30 2017 19:04 Qikz wrote: One question I wish I could have asked is why exactly Artosis hates Teamliquid now. He said he didn't like it and it was a bad forum, but he didn't really go into why he thought that. It's probably related to threads like this where he got banned: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1701#34018 As an example Artosis makes the following comment: If some idiot who clearly just signed up for the forum recently comes by and accuses me of hiding interviews because opinions of the people who I interviewed had different opinions from myself, what the fvck? Obviously that shit shouldnt be allowed. You can check out the idiots comment here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/131773-map-balance-the-worst-of-the-worst?page=2#36 But basically the idiot speculated based on nothing, and was a terran player who was annoyed at Artosis "campaigning" for getting terran nerfed. Artosis was making good content and the idiot just wanted to tell him Artosis was biased because he hurt his feelings. It might be difficult to relate to Artosis reaction if you haven't experienced something comparable yourself. Personally I remember many instances over the past few years where I would explain something in a direct way using relevant arguments, but then some guy's feelings would get hurt and his response would be annoying while containining nothing of relevance to my initial arguments. Most notably I remember writing a 1k word analysis on a game critizing a players mechanics and decisionmaking heavily and I would get a single response saying "wow you really hate this guy. What do you have against him? " And that is soooo tilting. In hindsight, I definitely think admins should have protected Artosis here. Always protect the guy who make relevant arguments/knows what he is talking about - even if his tone is too aggressive - while the one who uses emotions/baseless accusations should be the one that gets warned. And yet he was the one that got warned, not the idiot who triggered him. Obviously people should be allowed to argue if they think Artosis is in the wrong, but do so by focussing on the ball - not the man. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
578 Posts
On August 31 2017 09:00 Hider wrote: It's probably related to threads like this where he got banned: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1701#34018 I even remember "baiting" him myself into his first warning. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/131773-map-balance-the-worst-of-the-worst?page=2#36 And looking back, I was 100% in the wrong and I feel so much for Artosis back then. However, at the time I was playing terran and just super annoyed at Artosis "campaigning" for getting terran nerfed, but what the fuck did I know. Artosis was making good contents, asking valid questions and I just wanted to tell him he was biased because he hurt my feelings. Artosis just didn't "understand" how irrational people get when you hurt their feelings (like saying they played an OP race) but just thought he could "tell the truth". It might be difficult to relate to Artosis reaction if you haven't experienced something comparable yourself. Personally I rememberm any instances over the past few years where I would explain something in a direct way using relevant arguments, but then some guy's feelings would get hurt and his response would be annoying while containining nothing of relevance to my initial arguments. Most notably I remember writing like a 1k word analysis on a game critizing a players mechanics and decisionmaking heavily and I would get a single response saying "wow you really hate this guy. What do you have against him? " --> I got max tilted and I expect Artosis experienced something similar in that thread. In hindsight, I definitely think admins should have protected Artosis here. Always protect the guy who make relevant arguments/knows what he is talking about - even if his tone is too aggressive - while the one who uses emotions/baseless accusations should be the one that gets warned. Obviously people should be allowed to argue if they think Artosis is in the wrong, but do so by focussing on the ball - not the man. I think posts like this is why personalities avoid posting here. | ||
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Falling
Canada11511 Posts
Tasteless' reputation as described by that video is hilarious and I could see that being the case, just the way he talks when casting | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
jesus christ people, idra got mad at people in a game 5 years ago, move on with your lives, how is there still a fanboy vs anti-fanboy debate going on??? | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On August 29 2017 06:27 VHbb wrote: I love how Nony's worst BW experience is the same story Day[9] told in his 100 daily about Tasteless beating Nony by just picking island map after each loss :D :D :D Never stop telling stories Yeah, or hearing Artosis talk about the tournament that Day9 talked about winning i love this shit, thanks incontrol <3 | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On August 30 2017 22:04 Aylear wrote: I would mostly agree with that... but remember this thread and what happened to it, and you'll get a pretty good idea of why the top players stopped caring about the TeamLiquid forums. iNcontroL tried to defend himself from the legions of mouthbreathing fucktards who descended on that thread to let out all the pent-up aggression they've been harboring since SC2 took SC1's place as the main focus of the website, and he got warned for it. Of course he's not gonna hang around. This website was absolutely not ready for the SC2 transition, and the strategy forum in particular became an unbelievable, whiny mess. There was no real attempt at quality control for a long time, so all of the high level players who were still trying to contribute were completely drowned out by hordes of idiots. Worse, unlike back in the "glory days" the pros couldn't call them all out for being the mouthbreathing fucktards to a man as they were because they would have been warned and banned for bad behavior. We must protect the new players and shield them from iNcontroL calling their opinions retarded. This place is no longer the place in which I used to lurk. I'm just here because it's still the best place for SC/BW news and updates and hype, and the BW section is mostly all right. +1 to this post, especially to the stupid infighting. I had been lurking for a long ass time, but all the retarded anger problems scarred me off for a long while, especially as a person that enjoys both games. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On September 04 2017 17:20 Arvendilin wrote: +1 to this post, especially to the stupid infighting. I had been lurking for a long ass time, but all the retarded anger problems scarred me off for a long while, especially as a person that enjoys both games. I quit posting in the strategy forums when I got called out for giving idiotic advice on whether or not to wall-in vs protoss on Steppes of War. The motivation being that what I said contradicted the advice Trump was giving his viewers and thus I must be an idiot to think otherwise than him. A little part of me just died right there and then and I never attempted to give strategy advice again. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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Immaterial
Canada510 Posts
Can't wait to see more BW content from these guys!~ Thanks inc for getting this set up -- it was one of many reasons why I decided to subscribe to your twitch ^.^ | ||
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