"THE SHOW" with Artosis, Idra, Nony, iNcontroL

On August 21 2017 16:49 Jae Zedong wrote:

What makes you think Starcraft won't be the primary focus lol? The release of SC:R is a pretty major event. Foreigners streaming SC:R already outclass SC2 streamers by a wide margin in terms of viewers.

Seems like you're trying to downplay the seismic shift that's about to happen.

On August 21 2017 18:26 nimdil wrote:
Sorry, you lost me at Greg "you're all a bunch of fucks / it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome." Fields AKA "i genuinely hope something bad happens to you like you get cancer or something".

He knows his stuff but he does not deserve attention.

On August 21 2017 20:04 nimdil wrote:

He draws a lot of fans but he should also draw a lot of them away, me including. I think it's relevant to keep this option visible.

Also I'm not fighting losing battle. There's no battle the same way people happy for IdrA are not fighting winning battle.

EDIT: Also damn it - IdrA behaviour was beyond apologies. He should never be part of anything Starcraft.

On August 21 2017 16:49 Jae Zedong wrote:

What makes you think Starcraft won't be the primary focus lol? The release of SC:R is a pretty major event. Foreigners streaming SC:R already outclass SC2 streamers by a wide margin in terms of viewers.

Seems like you're trying to downplay the seismic shift that's about to happen.

On August 21 2017 23:34 Haighstrom wrote:
Tyler and Idra both brought too much negativity to the game for me to be keen on this personally. Although I did love watching SoTG, so I might give it a chance.

On August 22 2017 15:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Time is far less than perfect but with Korean and American time zone folk on the cast as well as a miriade of other issues I choose this conflict rather than delay 4 weeks and run the risk of this never happening.

On August 22 2017 01:48 Cele wrote:
will be nice if they can bring the same level of humor and friendly banter that made SotG great!

p.s. you can say about Idra whatever you want, but he really invented the "bw-elitism". Used to talk a lot about how people who he lost to in Sc2 sucked in 'the real game'. Guess what the real game is.

On August 23 2017 03:22 BigFan wrote:

Don't make assumptions please. It was showing up twice under community news so it was likely whoever fixed it only removed the SCII one so it doesn't display twice. BW one stayed because this is the BW section of the forum and it'll likely focus heavily on BW.

On August 24 2017 12:58 Voltz_sc21 wrote:
Also, not sure why this is only appearing in the brood war sidebar. It will also be about SC2...

On August 25 2017 16:40 Malinor wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

I need that in my life again.

On August 28 2017 06:30 diggurd wrote:
how many minutes from now? :D

On August 28 2017 10:51 Silentenigma wrote:
Incontrol please close the sub mode chat

On August 28 2017 11:07 Silentenigma wrote:
Chat feels so dead I feel like noone else is watching.

On August 28 2017 12:35 iNcontroL wrote:
HEY

Ok so first things first: that was fun. I asked the guys and we are down to do more. It won't have a schedule and will be off a "can we do this" basis. Might mix in other guests and will have more structure as opposed to "shoot the shit" like we did here. No promises on WHEN but obviously more will happen as we enjoyed ourselves and people seemed to like it.

Sub only mode: this was because of the GoT finale and people's want to spoil for others or ruin that. It is a security measure that actually made it so (I think?) nobody even tried.. which was important. Future shows won't be in sub only mode and we will have people trying to say mean things / being toxic but we will just ban them.. but we WON'T have them spoiling one of the biggest and most important finales on TV for people who really like that show in our chat / Tyler etc.

Shows are HARD TO DO: the graphics/production etc was put on for the first time by myself and my right hand guy cobravenom. IT IS NOT EASY TO DO. Don't argue with me here.. until you try it you won't know what it's like. We did skype which is evil and tried to go basic but even that had some issues. I'm actually very happy with how smooth this was and that it looked FINE. We will look for ways to improve for future shows and of course learn from our mistakes but if you are hoping for quality around what JP does you won't get it.. he is an expert with years of experience.. we are not!

Time of the show: Scheduling with Dan in korea.. Tyler being gone that weekend and coming back in time for this + greg's school schedule (can't do weekdays or go late on sunday) made it impossible to find a time that wasn't basically only this that weekend. I am gone the next 3 weekends + their stuff so it was now/then or possibly never. I've explained this a bunch but people keep not seeing it I guess. Future shows won't run against GoT Finale (obviously) but probably will be at a similar time but maybe on a saturday which is sllightly more accommodating for EU viewers.

VODS: up on youtube ASAP (like 1 hour from this post) which is free to view. My channel has vods behind paywall as an incentive to my subs (what I do for a living) but people will ALWAYS have a free way to watch/listen to this.

I think that covers most of it? I'm excited to have these guys doing content with me and I tihnk this show WAS GOOD despite it's little difficulties. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it!

On August 29 2017 15:08 forsooth wrote:

Sometimes playing against someone who likes to do annoying things and completely ignore the meta can be great for your thought process.

On August 30 2017 20:14 Mandalor wrote:


He said it used to be great and it is okay now.
Back in the day, teamliquid was the main hub for almost all foreign top players. Everyone of the top players came here to discuss bw - tournament results, strategy, ... and their opinion was held in a much higher regard than the average user's. Nowadays, in the times of sponsorships, contracts and social media, top players and personalities are much less inclined to post personal opinions on here as it could very easily affect their careers.

On August 31 2017 09:00 Hider wrote:


It's probably related to threads like this where he got banned: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1701#34018

I even remember "baiting" him myself into his first warning. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/131773-map-balance-the-worst-of-the-worst?page=2#36

And looking back, I was 100% in the wrong and I feel so much for Artosis back then. However, at the time I was playing terran and just super annoyed at Artosis "campaigning" for getting terran nerfed, but what the fuck did I know. Artosis was making good contents, asking valid questions and I just wanted to tell him he was biased because he hurt my feelings.

Artosis just didn't "understand" how irrational people get when you hurt their feelings (like saying they played an OP race) but just thought he could "tell the truth".

It might be difficult to relate to Artosis reaction if you haven't experienced something comparable yourself. Personally I rememberm any instances over the past few years where I would explain something in a direct way using relevant arguments, but then some guy's feelings would get hurt and his response would be annoying while containining nothing of relevance to my initial arguments.

Most notably I remember writing like a 1k word analysis on a game critizing a players mechanics and decisionmaking heavily and I would get a single response saying "wow you really hate this guy. What do you have against him? " --> I got max tilted and I expect Artosis experienced something similar in that thread.

In hindsight, I definitely think admins should have protected Artosis here. Always protect the guy who make relevant arguments/knows what he is talking about - even if his tone is too aggressive - while the one who uses emotions/baseless accusations should be the one that gets warned.

Obviously people should be allowed to argue if they think Artosis is in the wrong, but do so by focussing on the ball - not the man.

On August 30 2017 22:04 Aylear wrote:

I would mostly agree with that... but remember this thread and what happened to it, and you'll get a pretty good idea of why the top players stopped caring about the TeamLiquid forums. iNcontroL tried to defend himself from the legions of mouthbreathing fucktards who descended on that thread to let out all the pent-up aggression they've been harboring since SC2 took SC1's place as the main focus of the website, and he got warned for it. Of course he's not gonna hang around.

This website was absolutely not ready for the SC2 transition, and the strategy forum in particular became an unbelievable, whiny mess. There was no real attempt at quality control for a long time, so all of the high level players who were still trying to contribute were completely drowned out by hordes of idiots. Worse, unlike back in the "glory days" the pros couldn't call them all out for being the mouthbreathing fucktards to a man as they were because they would have been warned and banned for bad behavior. We must protect the new players and shield them from iNcontroL calling their opinions retarded.

This place is no longer the place in which I used to lurk. I'm just here because it's still the best place for SC/BW news and updates and hype, and the BW section is mostly all right.

On December 12 2017 05:54 Voltz_sc21 wrote:
What are the chances we get another episode of "The Show." before the year ends? Maybe a Christmas special?