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sas.Sziky
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary337 Posts
May 19 2017 21:15 GMT
#941
how i fix mouse ? laggy t.t
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
May 19 2017 21:36 GMT
#942
On May 20 2017 03:54 mOnion wrote:
this is promising

https://starcraft.com/en-gb/articles/20726737

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Personally not a massive fan of attack/move/hold/patrol being rebindable but as long as F-keys and 1-0 aren't touched I'm alright with it overall.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10067 Posts
May 19 2017 22:29 GMT
#943
I'm on the fence about Patrol being rebindable but i share the same sentiment as r.Evo, i'll be happy as long as they dont touch f keys or control groups.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10847 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 22:30:58
May 19 2017 22:30 GMT
#944
Rebinding patrol to Q / X / S would make microing Vulture vs Zealot way easier. ^^
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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
May 20 2017 00:09 GMT
#945
jeez why would they allow patrol to be reassigned?

Maybe they should not touch basic unit commands such as attack move, hold position and patrol, but instead allow to rebind 'macro' rebinding.
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Lumire
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States607 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-20 00:42:20
May 20 2017 00:41 GMT
#946
Not sure if I'm a fan of patrol/hold rebinding. It will actually impact gameplay, as opposed to the macro keybinds.
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JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
May 20 2017 00:45 GMT
#947
On May 20 2017 09:09 duke91 wrote:
jeez why would they allow patrol to be reassigned?

Maybe they should not touch basic unit commands such as attack move, hold position and patrol, but instead allow to rebind 'macro' rebinding.


Rebindable unit commands directly affect unit control, which is micro, which can affect the outcome of certain engagements. I can definitely see a stronger argument for leaving these unrebindable as opposed to "macro" keys. I feel in the end blizzard will be seeing how the Korean community and what the pros think about this. They said they were willing to discuss these settings further.
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Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
May 20 2017 08:13 GMT
#948
Guys, when does it get into your thick skulls that hotkeys cannot be fixed for everybody on this planet?
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
May 20 2017 12:21 GMT
#949
How is changing the making of Probes to X, and pylons to X OK,
but changing patrol to X is not ok?

-.-'

I can imagine blizzard will get frustrated.. It's such a small difference.
All of those changes affect gameplay... patrol maybe slightly more, but I'm advocate of keeping it simple: either 'free the hotkeys', or f*cking don't change anything.
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany914 Posts
May 20 2017 13:12 GMT
#950
I don't really care that much about this whole debate whether they allow rebinding of everything or only shortcuts or nothing at all. But I bet the main reason they don't implement the rebinding for everything is probably only because it is much more work to program custom location keys and control groups. In the first implementation of the custom shortcuts, they apparently just made an already existing list of game commands modifiable (judging from the commands in there that don't exist in final game).
So I wouldn't buy into the explanation that they did it to "preserve competitive balance", as they already changed it with the introduction of custom shortcuts.
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mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-20 13:21:33
May 20 2017 13:21 GMT
#951
On May 20 2017 22:12 Cryoc wrote:
I don't really care that much about this whole debate whether they allow rebinding of everything or only shortcuts or nothing at all. But I bet the main reason they don't implement the rebinding for everything is probably only because it is much more work to program custom location keys and control groups. In the first implementation of the custom shortcuts, they apparently just made an already existing list of game commands modifiable (judging from the commands in there that don't exist in final game).
So I wouldn't buy into the explanation that they did it to "preserve competitive balance", as they already changed it with the introduction of custom shortcuts.



i think David Kim suggest them to said that. The best expert in starcraft balance team.

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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-21 08:27:21
May 21 2017 08:27 GMT
#952
On May 19 2017 13:31 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Seems to work perfect. Disabling mouse sens and using windows sens is awesome.

Where is this option? Is it the "mouse scaling" ?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
May 21 2017 11:14 GMT
#953
On May 20 2017 21:21 niteReloaded wrote:
How is changing the making of Probes to X, and pylons to X OK,
but changing patrol to X is not ok?

-.-'

I can imagine blizzard will get frustrated.. It's such a small difference.
All of those changes affect gameplay... patrol maybe slightly more, but I'm advocate of keeping it simple: either 'free the hotkeys', or f*cking don't change anything.

Think of the difference between having access to patrol/hold right next to unit hotkeys for muta micro and having your key for building a probe somewhere else.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
May 21 2017 11:39 GMT
#954
On May 21 2017 20:14 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 21:21 niteReloaded wrote:
How is changing the making of Probes to X, and pylons to X OK,
but changing patrol to X is not ok?

-.-'

I can imagine blizzard will get frustrated.. It's such a small difference.
All of those changes affect gameplay... patrol maybe slightly more, but I'm advocate of keeping it simple: either 'free the hotkeys', or f*cking don't change anything.

Think of the difference between having access to patrol/hold right next to unit hotkeys for muta micro and having your key for building a probe somewhere else.


Is this really a more significant difference though? Imagine you can rebind Probe to E then you can micro around as well and then quickly hit 4e during engages rather than doing 4p or 0p.

Either way the argument stems from manual dexterity and not having to fly over the keyboard with your fingers as much.

I am curious to see what the ex-pros think about this issue as they've already built up the dexterity and precision to let their fingers roam the keyboard regardless of where the hotkeys are.

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3710 Posts
May 21 2017 13:28 GMT
#955
There are more than enough players in SC2 who won tournaments with BW hotkeys. I really don't think it's as big of a deal as people make it out to be. If you have 300+ apm it won't really matter which key you have to press. It will change balance for lower levels, but that balance doesn't really matter anyway.
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
May 21 2017 13:50 GMT
#956
I can't believe they didn't get this chance to change F1 key, even if it will be possible to disable it. o_O
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-23 18:30:51
May 23 2017 08:09 GMT
#957
On May 20 2017 06:15 sas.Sziky wrote:
how i fix mouse ? laggy t.t


I finally installed 1.18 and I can't get the same mouse behavior as I have on iccup. Not sure what to change.

edit: nvm, it's different, but I got used to it pretty quickly. Now we need BWChart :D
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infinity2k17
Profile Joined May 2017
22 Posts
May 23 2017 18:54 GMT
#958
I'm not playing the latest patch as my client is not updating but I thought I would mention a pretty major hidden change. In the PTR the pylon radius is smaller than in BW 1.16.1.. you used to be able to build 4 gateways underneath a pylon in a square now you can't. I don't know if it's fixed, to be honest i'm just waiting for remastered but its notable for sure, it makes base building different for P.
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
May 23 2017 19:02 GMT
#959
On May 24 2017 03:54 infinity2k17 wrote:
I'm not playing the latest patch as my client is not updating but I thought I would mention a pretty major hidden change. In the PTR the pylon radius is smaller than in BW 1.16.1.. you used to be able to build 4 gateways underneath a pylon in a square now you can't. I don't know if it's fixed, to be honest i'm just waiting for remastered but its notable for sure, it makes base building different for P.


That is actually a bigger change for PvZ and fast forge openings (or even gateway openings at the nat seeking to make a wall). This definitely should not be and I hope this is either untrue or they are fixing this.

I will have to check myself... and you mean PTR 1.18.7 correct?
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sas.Sziky
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary337 Posts
May 23 2017 19:13 GMT
#960
On May 23 2017 17:09 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 06:15 sas.Sziky wrote:
how i fix mouse ? laggy t.t


I finally installed 1.18 and I can't get the same mouse behavior as I have on iccup. Not sure what to change.

edit: nvm, it's different, but I got used to it pretty quickly. Now we need BWChart :D


ya and need mcalaunc! MCA What are you doing for so long? :D t.t.t.t.t.t
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