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Bengalaas!!
Profile Joined April 2017
15 Posts
April 20 2017 16:07 GMT
#461
On April 21 2017 00:56 blueslobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 00:36 Bengalaas!! wrote:
for you guys who consider custom hotkeys cheating, do u also consider mouse with buttons on the side also cheating? the same argument that could be used to support custom hotkeys cheating could also be used with a mouse+side buttons?


To summarzie the discussion: Yes, some people in this thread would argue that the moment you use your mouse software to set one of these sidebuttons to «1», for example, you are a cheater. So maybe it is best if you get rid of your fancy sidebutton mouse and get a simple two button mouse. Just to be on the safe side. Maybe wait until after Blizzard has implemented custom hotkeys, though.


could i get some more opinions on this because I don't want to get super used to my mouse with side buttons if I won't be able to use it.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
April 20 2017 16:18 GMT
#462
Using your mouse to complete keyboard actions actions without removing your hand from the mouse kind of seems like cheating to me.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 16:20:50
April 20 2017 16:19 GMT
#463
On April 21 2017 01:07 Bengalaas!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 00:56 blueslobster wrote:
On April 21 2017 00:36 Bengalaas!! wrote:
for you guys who consider custom hotkeys cheating, do u also consider mouse with buttons on the side also cheating? the same argument that could be used to support custom hotkeys cheating could also be used with a mouse+side buttons?


To summarzie the discussion: Yes, some people in this thread would argue that the moment you use your mouse software to set one of these sidebuttons to «1», for example, you are a cheater. So maybe it is best if you get rid of your fancy sidebutton mouse and get a simple two button mouse. Just to be on the safe side. Maybe wait until after Blizzard has implemented custom hotkeys, though.


could i get some more opinions on this because I don't want to get super used to my mouse with side buttons if I won't be able to use it.


you can use whatever you want

this cheating discussion is asinine
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
April 20 2017 16:19 GMT
#464
Afaik few people are against custom hotkeys. I can definitely accept it.

What bothers me to no end are the people who scream "OMFG NO CUSTOM HOTKEYS? FUCK THIS GAME ITS UNPLAYABLE". Dude, if you think like this you fall in one of two following categories: (1) you are too lazy to learn the hotkeys; or (2) you simply suck.

You are not entitled to have custom hotkeys.

Besides the original ones are fine. I don't see the need to customize it, but if eventually Blizzard does it, its ok. There is also no need to segregate tours into custom and original hotkeys, that would be retarded imho.

It is amusing how so many people lack common sense...
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 20 2017 16:31 GMT
#465
On April 21 2017 00:57 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Has anyone been unable to join any games? I'm on US East and none of the games are available for some reason.


A couple times. I was able to join a good 80-90% of games last night, but there were a few were it hung for a few seconds like the old ICCup latency hang, and then told me I was unable to join.
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Bengalaas!!
Profile Joined April 2017
15 Posts
April 20 2017 16:31 GMT
#466
On April 21 2017 01:19 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 01:07 Bengalaas!! wrote:
On April 21 2017 00:56 blueslobster wrote:
On April 21 2017 00:36 Bengalaas!! wrote:
for you guys who consider custom hotkeys cheating, do u also consider mouse with buttons on the side also cheating? the same argument that could be used to support custom hotkeys cheating could also be used with a mouse+side buttons?


To summarzie the discussion: Yes, some people in this thread would argue that the moment you use your mouse software to set one of these sidebuttons to «1», for example, you are a cheater. So maybe it is best if you get rid of your fancy sidebutton mouse and get a simple two button mouse. Just to be on the safe side. Maybe wait until after Blizzard has implemented custom hotkeys, though.


could i get some more opinions on this because I don't want to get super used to my mouse with side buttons if I won't be able to use it.


you can use whatever you want

this cheating discussion is asinine


this is the problem i'm having. half the people are telling me it's totally fine and the other half are telling me it's cheating. i'm using the mouse exactly as intended so how is it cheating?
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 16:38 GMT
#467
On April 21 2017 01:19 fabiano wrote:


What bothers me to no end are the people who scream "OMFG NO CUSTOM HOTKEYS? FUCK THIS GAME ITS UNPLAYABLE". Dude, if you think like this you fall in one of two following categories: (1) you are too lazy to learn the hotkeys; or (2) you simply suck.


False dichotomy
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
April 20 2017 16:39 GMT
#468
On April 21 2017 01:31 Bengalaas!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 01:19 mOnion wrote:
On April 21 2017 01:07 Bengalaas!! wrote:
On April 21 2017 00:56 blueslobster wrote:
On April 21 2017 00:36 Bengalaas!! wrote:
for you guys who consider custom hotkeys cheating, do u also consider mouse with buttons on the side also cheating? the same argument that could be used to support custom hotkeys cheating could also be used with a mouse+side buttons?


To summarzie the discussion: Yes, some people in this thread would argue that the moment you use your mouse software to set one of these sidebuttons to «1», for example, you are a cheater. So maybe it is best if you get rid of your fancy sidebutton mouse and get a simple two button mouse. Just to be on the safe side. Maybe wait until after Blizzard has implemented custom hotkeys, though.


could i get some more opinions on this because I don't want to get super used to my mouse with side buttons if I won't be able to use it.


you can use whatever you want

this cheating discussion is asinine


this is the problem i'm having. half the people are telling me it's totally fine and the other half are telling me it's cheating. i'm using the mouse exactly as intended so how is it cheating?


From the comfort of your home you can do basically whatever you want in regards to stuff like this. I suppose you could put a macro that created a round of workers on your mouse if you wanted to. Asking whether or not something would be considered cheating is different from asking if something is possible.
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
April 20 2017 16:39 GMT
#469
You can't use mice with additional buttons, seems pretty obvious to me. Do you think it would be allowed in a tournament? If not, it's considered an unfair advantage or cheating.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
April 20 2017 16:40 GMT
#470
On April 21 2017 01:38 mishimaBeef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 01:19 fabiano wrote:


What bothers me to no end are the people who scream "OMFG NO CUSTOM HOTKEYS? FUCK THIS GAME ITS UNPLAYABLE". Dude, if you think like this you fall in one of two following categories: (1) you are too lazy to learn the hotkeys; or (2) you simply suck.


False dichotomy


Why?
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 16:45 GMT
#471
For starters, "Suck" and "Lazy" is relative.

We could have a guy that is partially handicapped in his left arm but compared to others with his condition he is a God at Starcraft.

Thus, he does not "simply suck" unless you compare him to people who are physically fit. Do B- players "suck"? Compared to Flash maybe, compared to others definitely no.

Second, he may be the most hardest working person on the planet relative to his functional abilities, so he is not "too lazy".

Therefore, he doesn't fall into one of the two categories presented: 1) too lazy to learn, 2) simply suck.

And that my friends, we call a false dichotomy.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany614 Posts
April 20 2017 16:48 GMT
#472
On April 21 2017 01:31 Bengalaas!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 01:19 mOnion wrote:
On April 21 2017 01:07 Bengalaas!! wrote:
On April 21 2017 00:56 blueslobster wrote:
On April 21 2017 00:36 Bengalaas!! wrote:
for you guys who consider custom hotkeys cheating, do u also consider mouse with buttons on the side also cheating? the same argument that could be used to support custom hotkeys cheating could also be used with a mouse+side buttons?


To summarzie the discussion: Yes, some people in this thread would argue that the moment you use your mouse software to set one of these sidebuttons to «1», for example, you are a cheater. So maybe it is best if you get rid of your fancy sidebutton mouse and get a simple two button mouse. Just to be on the safe side. Maybe wait until after Blizzard has implemented custom hotkeys, though.


could i get some more opinions on this because I don't want to get super used to my mouse with side buttons if I won't be able to use it.


you can use whatever you want

this cheating discussion is asinine


this is the problem i'm having. half the people are telling me it's totally fine and the other half are telling me it's cheating. i'm using the mouse exactly as intended so how is it cheating?


It's fine. Nobody can supervise you how you control a PC game. You can play Starcraft with the Xbox Controller if you want to (as long as you don't start doing macros).

It's an open platform - we should be proud of it. There's no committee that forces everyone to play with IntelliMouse 1.1s and IBM Model Ms in order level the playing field.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13092 Posts
April 20 2017 16:52 GMT
#473
Everyone is raging about custom hotkeys, i dont give a fuck.

They need to fix the current issues first like hotkey input and fullscreen not working for everybody.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Eridanus
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 16:54:07
April 20 2017 16:53 GMT
#474
1) You can learn and want to.
2) You can learn but don't want to.
2) You can learn and you are undecided.
3) You can't learn.

What other options are there?

His comment was inflammatory, sure. But not a false dichotomy. If you don't want to put in the time to learn a new gameplay mechanic then that is a combination of how much effort you are willing to put in (ie how 'lazy' you are) and how skilled you are in picking up this new gameplay mechanic (ie: how much you 'suck').


Say you want to learn Flash level ability and you fail at that. Then either your maximum theoretical level is below Flash' level, or you didn't put in enough work to reach your maximum skill plateau, when it does lie above the current level of Flash.

Not sure why one would call this a 'false dichotomy'. Where is your third option?
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 16:54 GMT
#475
Uh what? I just detailed it. Some people might be handicapped in a way that only half the keyboard is accessible and going to the other side is very uncomfortable or maybe impossible within reasonable time frames.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
April 20 2017 16:55 GMT
#476
According to those idiots in this thread I’m a cheater, I happily admit that.

Let’s have a look at my keyboard:
[image loading]
This is literally what my keyboard looks like. Ohh you guys, you caught me! I’m cheating because my <P> is so easily accessible! Shame on me.

Seriously fuck off. I’m tired of your narrow minded shit opinions that rebindable keys are cheating.
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Eridanus
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 17:03:08
April 20 2017 17:02 GMT
#477
On April 21 2017 01:54 mishimaBeef wrote:
Uh what? I just detailed it. Some people might be handicapped in a way that only half the keyboard is accessible and going to the other side is very uncomfortable or maybe impossible within reasonable time frames.


Handicapped -> You can't learn
Very uncomfortable or maybe impossible within reasonable time frames - > You can learn but don't want to.


Either you can or you can't learn something. Either the amount of time you put in is reasonable, or not reasonable.
What is the third option?
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 17:04 GMT
#478
So to be clear, for the handicapped person's case, do you label them as "too lazy to learn" or "simply suck" ?
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9183 Posts
April 20 2017 17:05 GMT
#479
bw is already a noobified game who cares if you can rebind hotkeys

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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 17:06:44
April 20 2017 17:05 GMT
#480
I think it is cheating if you remove the "f1" key on your keyboard. Makes the game easier to play, i would ban every single player who does this, probably for a lifetime
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