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mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 15:08 GMT
#441
On April 21 2017 00:06 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 00:01 mishimaBeef wrote:
On April 20 2017 23:58 Eridanus wrote: Cheating is cheating regardless of perceptions.


Cheating is cheating after you've established what constitutes cheating. To do that you would have had to use your perception of the world to classify a set of states or behaviours as cheating when they failed to adhere to norms.

Seriously give me a break with your long winded and off-topic rhetoric. Keep it short and sweet.


Isn't that what the rules of any activity exist precisely to do? Explicitly define how the game should be played and what actions are legal?


Yes but if we assume that there is 0 theoretical possibility of detecting a cheater then there is no basis for the concept of cheating. Again, sure there is SOME chance, we can invest 1B dollars and detect if they are cheating in their room. But it's far fetched.
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Eridanus
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
April 20 2017 15:08 GMT
#442
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 15:09 GMT
#443
If all noise was made by trees that fell when nobody was around, would you have a concept of noise?
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Eridanus
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 15:12:15
April 20 2017 15:11 GMT
#444
Five pages ago, you would have had a chance to explain to me what you think, and why. Now you deserve only ridicule.

Right now, I would bet you have no clue yourself what you believe. You just make it up as you go along. All you know is that you want to play SC BW with your trusted SC2 hotkey setup. That's all you care about. And everything you say you base off of that.

So your new trick is to ask me what I think? Just read my posts you didn't read yet. It is in there.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 15:12 GMT
#445
My last question stands, very tall, like a large oak tree after hundreds of years.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 15:12 GMT
#446
By the way, I don't even play sc2 bud, lmao.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
April 20 2017 15:13 GMT
#447
On April 21 2017 00:09 mishimaBeef wrote:
If all noise was made by trees that fell when nobody was around, would you have a concept of noise?

Cheating is always perceived by at least one person, the cheater himself.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 15:14 GMT
#448
On April 21 2017 00:13 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 00:09 mishimaBeef wrote:
If all noise was made by trees that fell when nobody was around, would you have a concept of noise?

Cheating is always perceived by at least one person, the cheater himself.


Provided someone informed them of what constitutes cheating. I can imagine a scenario where someone is thinking "jeez Blizzard is stupid for not include this feature let me do it alone". And be oblivious.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Eridanus
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 15:16:17
April 20 2017 15:15 GMT
#449
Huge oak. It comes down on your head, hard. And all that is in your brain afterwards is still 'I want to play with SC2 hotkey rebinds'. Your skull should be crushed, but the tree has had no effect at all on your brain. Let alone give you the perception of sound. It is simply incapable.

On April 21 2017 00:14 mishimaBeef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 00:13 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
On April 21 2017 00:09 mishimaBeef wrote:
If all noise was made by trees that fell when nobody was around, would you have a concept of noise?

Cheating is always perceived by at least one person, the cheater himself.


Provided someone informed them of what constitutes cheating. I can imagine a scenario where someone is thinking "jeez Blizzard is stupid for not include this feature let me do it alone". And be oblivious.



Provided that they read my post. Provided that they have a moral compass. An amoral person, by definition, cannot cheat, and therefore may never be punished. Case of point; mishimaBeef
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 15:15 GMT
#450
Nice narrative, but did nothing to address the question.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
April 20 2017 15:17 GMT
#451
Is it that hard to picture someone isolated from the gaming community but competitive? Okay...
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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 15:26:07
April 20 2017 15:25 GMT
#452
Stop ruining this thread for ****'s sake.

Koreans determine the market and they will not stand for any of this shit. 1.18 will adapt to their will or 1.16 will prevail.
Custom hotkeys are out of bounds for me and I consider them cheating.

People that argue otherwise don't play at a high enough level and have no clue what they're talking about. Why don't you try to imagine the effect of having patrol move on a much more accessible hotkey.

It's the same thing with spells like irradiate or laying vulture mines. Forcing the hand to physically move takes up time and forces mistakes, something that is pivotal to balance at the highest level.
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mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 15:27:40
April 20 2017 15:27 GMT
#453


On April 21 2017 00:25 B-royal wrote:

Custom hotkeys are out of bounds for me and I consider them cheating.



On April 21 2017 00:25 B-royal wrote:

People that argue otherwise don't play at a high enough level and have no clue what they're talking about.



Host with "Hotkeys: Classic" then.

And people who don't play at a high enough level anyway can host with "Hotkeys: Custom".
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
April 20 2017 15:29 GMT
#454
Bwchart isnt working for me, what else is there?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
April 20 2017 15:34 GMT
#455
On April 21 2017 00:27 mishimaBeef wrote:


Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 00:25 B-royal wrote:

Custom hotkeys are out of bounds for me and I consider them cheating.



Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 00:25 B-royal wrote:

People that argue otherwise don't play at a high enough level and have no clue what they're talking about.



Host with "Hotkeys: Classic" then.

And people who don't play at a high enough level anyway can host with "Hotkeys: Custom".


PM each other from now on. I get cancer reading your guys stuff
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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 15:36:32
April 20 2017 15:34 GMT
#456
can someone help me ? are you guys still using the PTR or ? i'm upgrade the game but when i try to connect to the servers it asks me to upgrade again.


EDIT: NVM ITS WORKING NOW!
Yes im
Bengalaas!!
Profile Joined April 2017
15 Posts
April 20 2017 15:36 GMT
#457
for you guys who consider custom hotkeys cheating, do u also consider mouse with buttons on the side also cheating? the same argument that could be used to support custom hotkeys cheating could also be used with a mouse+side buttons?
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 15:38:45
April 20 2017 15:38 GMT
#458
It is a win-win to implement an option for Custom or Classic hotkeys at the server or game host level.

This way, you get a larger player base and as well maintain the classic competition.

Just flick the switch...
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
April 20 2017 15:56 GMT
#459
On April 21 2017 00:36 Bengalaas!! wrote:
for you guys who consider custom hotkeys cheating, do u also consider mouse with buttons on the side also cheating? the same argument that could be used to support custom hotkeys cheating could also be used with a mouse+side buttons?


To summarzie the discussion: Yes, some people in this thread would argue that the moment you use your mouse software to set one of these sidebuttons to «1», for example, you are a cheater. So maybe it is best if you get rid of your fancy sidebutton mouse and get a simple two button mouse. Just to be on the safe side. Maybe wait until after Blizzard has implemented custom hotkeys, though.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 20 2017 15:57 GMT
#460
Has anyone been unable to join any games? I'm on US East and none of the games are available for some reason.
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