EPTOn March 19 2017 13:31 lestye wrote:
i dont see how thats bad. just make legacy keybinding and customziable keybinds and its a win-win.
i dont see how thats bad. just make legacy keybinding and customziable keybinds and its a win-win.
Agree.
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United States1578 Posts
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NickHotS
United States105 Posts
The hotkeys being the way they are add a physical, musical instrument like element to the game. Allowing custom hotkeys would be no different than changing unit pathing, control group limits, or any other characteristic of the game. The hotkeys are part of the game and have been for 19 years. For these reasons, I don't agree with custom hotkeys. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Irradiate on "i" in europe and maybe america idk while in korea its different i think | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13064 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Can't believe I still remember build orders. Can still 4z5z6z7z8z9z0z and rally... Time to liquipedia some modern builds. Can't describe how much I missed this game. Is there an up to date version switcher around? I want to watch IntoTheRain vs sVEN on Indian Lament and cry tears of sweet nostalgia :') | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
On March 20 2017 02:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Installed ICCUP, played around a little for the first time in literally 10 years (ok I played like 1 game in ogs house).... Can't believe I still remember build orders. Can still 4z5z6z7z8z9z0z and rally... Time to liquipedia some modern builds. Can't describe how much I missed this game. Is there an up to date version switcher around? I want to watch IntoTheRain vs sVEN on Indian Lament and cry tears of sweet nostalgia :') this is the only one i know http://starcraft.7x.ru/?p=files_down&fid=736 from 1.08 to 1.16.1 | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 20 2017 01:45 NickHotS wrote: Brood War requires virtuosic ability. Imagine if you could play every note on a violin without shifting or changing your hand position at all. Being a virtuoso just wouldn't be as special. The hotkeys being the way they are add a physical, musical instrument like element to the game. Allowing custom hotkeys would be no different than changing unit pathing, control group limits, or any other characteristic of the game. The hotkeys are part of the game and have been for 19 years. For these reasons, I don't agree with custom hotkeys. This is just so absurd to me i cannot take it seriously one bit. So you think instead of having to press "o" to build an overlord pressing any other key is less valuable? It takes just as many actions, it's just a little bit more convenient. Do you think that bw's hotkeys are already too accessible? Should we put some stuff on the numpad to make the game even more "virtuosic" ? If we cannot even agree on something as custom hotkeys then i am 100% positive that anybody who thinks the way you do should just not look at the Remake at all, it will make him triggered and it's not the fault of the game at that point. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
in my case i will not do it,for starcraft 2 i changed the setup to be like in BW :D | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On March 20 2017 02:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: this is the only one i know http://starcraft.7x.ru/?p=files_down&fid=736 from 1.08 to 1.16.1 Thanks, seems like same one i remember  | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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TAKK.borg
Croatia93 Posts
JinRo 33429 Posts - wuuuuuut?? My mind cant process this xD | ||
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Jae Zedong
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Jealous
10209 Posts
On March 20 2017 02:38 The_Red_Viper wrote: This is just so absurd to me i cannot take it seriously one bit. So you think instead of having to press "o" to build an overlord pressing any other key is less valuable? It takes just as many actions, it's just a little bit more convenient. Do you think that bw's hotkeys are already too accessible? Should we put some stuff on the numpad to make the game even more "virtuosic" ? If we cannot even agree on something as custom hotkeys then i am 100% positive that anybody who thinks the way you do should just not look at the Remake at all, it will make him triggered and it's not the fault of the game at that point. What a surprise, you can't wrap your mind around the idea of someone having a different opinion so you throw around words like "triggered" and "absurd" because you have 0 empathy for the other person's position, namely that of a player who has played BW for years (unlike you). Watch this: This is just so absurd to me i cannot it take it seriously one bit. So you think that forcing a person to stretch their hand all the way to press "o" isn't more work and dexterity requirement than pressing any other key? It takes more mechanical skill, it's just a little less convenient. Do you think that bw's hotkeys need to be changed to please a new generation of shitposting SC2 players? Should we put some stuff on the numpad to make the game even more accessible to MBS and automine? If we cannot even agree on something as custom hotkeys then i am 100% positive that anybody who thinks the way you do should just not look at Brood War or the Remake at all, it will make him triggered and it's not the fault of the game at that point it's the fact that you are bad at the game and at using your keyboard for anything but posting 500 times a week. How would you feel if you read this? Do you feel like I am empathizing with your stance on the issue? Am I convincing you that my position is somehow more reasonable or intelligent than yours? Oops. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On March 20 2017 04:08 Jealous wrote: What a surprise, you can't wrap your mind around the idea of someone having a different opinion so you throw around words like "triggered" and "absurd" because you have 0 empathy for the other person's position, namely that of a player who has played BW for years (unlike you). Watch this: This is just so absurd to me i cannot it take it seriously one bit. So you think that forcing a person to stretch their hand all the way to press "o" isn't more work and dexterity requirement than pressing any other key? It takes more mechanical skill, it's just a little less convenient. Do you think that bw's hotkeys need to be changed to please a new generation of shitposting SC2 players? Should we put some stuff on the numpad to make the game even more accessible to MBS and automine? If we cannot even agree on something as custom hotkeys then i am 100% positive that anybody who thinks the way you do should just not look at Brood War or the Remake at all, it will make him triggered and it's not the fault of the game at that point it's the fact that you are bad at the game and at using your keyboard for anything but posting 500 times a week. How would you feel if you read this? Do you feel like I am empathizing with your stance on the issue? Am I convincing you that my position is somehow more reasonable or intelligent than yours? Oops. Lool. GG. Honestly I don't care that much about hotkeys. I don't really think if any of newcoming players beat me I will complain about hotkeys like : "He's better than me because he uses grid while I need to push O for sieging". Only benefit of it could be some micro UMS map where you need faster reaction to cast spells. Also if I'm not mistaken all great SC2 pro's use standart hotkeys, maybe some couple arrangements. If they want custom layouts let them have it. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3685 Posts
I personally enjoy using the entire keyboard much more than only using half of it. I even set up my hotkeys in MMORPGs all over the keyboard, while I recently learned that most people either click or use shift/ctrl modifiers with keys on the left side. Besides, hotkeys are already different depending on your BW language. No one will magically beat you by using different hotkeys. It'll merely make the game more enjoyable for those who hate stretching their hands. I do understand those who had issues dealing with BW's hotkeys at first wanting others to feel the same pain. I personally welcomed BW's hotkeys and even adopted them into sc2. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 20 2017 04:08 Jealous wrote: What a surprise, you can't wrap your mind around the idea of someone having a different opinion so you throw around words like "triggered" and "absurd" because you have 0 empathy for the other person's position, namely that of a player who has played BW for years (unlike you). Watch this: This is just so absurd to me i cannot it take it seriously one bit. So you think that forcing a person to stretch their hand all the way to press "o" isn't more work and dexterity requirement than pressing any other key? It takes more mechanical skill, it's just a little less convenient. Do you think that bw's hotkeys need to be changed to please a new generation of shitposting SC2 players? Should we put some stuff on the numpad to make the game even more accessible to MBS and automine? If we cannot even agree on something as custom hotkeys then i am 100% positive that anybody who thinks the way you do should just not look at Brood War or the Remake at all, it will make him triggered and it's not the fault of the game at that point it's the fact that you are bad at the game and at using your keyboard for anything but posting 500 times a week. How would you feel if you read this? Do you feel like I am empathizing with your stance on the issue? Am I convincing you that my position is somehow more reasonable or intelligent than yours? Oops. I don't have problems wiith different opinions. But this one is simply so far away from a reasonable one that i don't tolerate it, yes. It actually shows the problem of the loud bw community here on TL and on reddit perfectly. You guys aren't open minded to new possibilities, you celebrate bw as more than just a game, it's like a religion to you and any time someone even implies there could be a change no matter how miniscule it is you feel like that person is blasphemous. That's the crux of the problem here, the inability of bw hardcores or "elitists" to have a reasonable discussion about bw because it's more than just a game for you. I despise it in religious people and i despise it here as well. As i said before, don't even look at the remake because no matter what blizzard does with it you will be angry at them for whatever stupid reason you can find. | ||
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Jealous
10209 Posts
On March 20 2017 05:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't have problems wiith different opinions. But this one is simply so far away from a reasonable one that i don't tolerate it, yes. It actually shows the problem of the loud bw community here on TL and on reddit perfectly. You guys aren't open minded to new possibilities, you celebrate bw as more than just a game, it's like a religion to you and any time someone even implies there could be a change no matter how miniscule it is you feel like that person is blasphemous. That's the crux of the problem here, the inability of bw hardcores or "elitists" to have a reasonable discussion about bw because it's more than just a game for you. I despise it in religious people and i despise it here as well. As i said before, don't even look at the remake because no matter what blizzard does with it you will be angry at them for whatever stupid reason you can find. Actually, it is you who is failing to have a reasonable discussion here, as I highlighted in my post. NickHotS (note the HotS in his name, real BW elitist right?) made a post expressing his beliefs, and you responded with an appeal to the stone. Then you proceed to attack him, then me, then "the loud bw community on TL and on reddit" as a whole over one belief on one stance that NickHots is perfectly entitled to have. Who is the cancer here? | ||
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mattias
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
Why are you getting so worked up about such a minor thing? Personally I don't agree with the "we-don't-want-customable-hotkeys argument but you guys should be mature enough to express yourselfes better and to have an actual discussion without getting triggered that hard. It's atleast a topic to discuss about. The only thing that I personally actually hated on the past pages was the "We managed 19 years without customable hotkeys and I don't want new players anyway." argument. | ||
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