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NickHotS
United States105 Posts
On March 20 2017 05:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: a change no matter how miniscule This is the problem, we have a disconnect on what is a "minuscule" change. Custom hotkeys seem minor, but they make a major difference. Brood War's greatness is the sum of all of it's parts. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 20 2017 05:34 Jealous wrote: Actually, it is you who is failing to have a reasonable discussion here, as I highlighted in my post. NickHotS (note the HotS in his name, real BW elitist right?) made a post expressing his beliefs, and you responded with an appeal to the stone. Then you proceed to attack him, then me, then "the loud bw community on TL and on reddit" as a whole over one belief on one stance that NickHots is perfectly entitled to have. Who is the cancer here? I quoted his pot but was addressing the general opinion of people here that even changing that part of bw would be too much. It's absurd. It's like saying "hey 50 years ago we had to go to the library to get information, i don't think google should be a thing". And yes the analogy of comparing playing bw to playing an instrument BUT ONLY when you have to press keys on the right side is the cherry on the cake. You defending it as a reasonable argument imo just proves my point about it being a religion for you basically. Custom keys are one of the tiniest changes imaginable and even that gets attacked by a horde. Don't you see the problem? I am not even sure if i would use custom hotkeys, i probably would change it to sc2 ones because i am used to it i guess. But if your own ego "hey i had it harder" is a valid reasoning in your head to deny new players the opportunity to have a more accessible experience then you are simply the old man crying about anything new. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
On March 19 2017 20:05 Piste wrote: I feel like the current hotkeys are a vital part what bw is, and making them customisable could potentially even hurt the balance. How exacly? | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Must have: -Custom hotkeys Acceptable changes: (i don't care either way) -MBS -Automine -No unit selection limit. Unnaceptable changes: -Pathing fixes and bugfixes -Balance Changes. Some people act as if its pressing P for probes instead of E what makes BW such a great game, Bw is great regardless of all these things, the unit interactions and playstyles are great, the races feel distinct and balanced and the gameplay is awesome. Its an insult to the game when people say things like ''If you don't press M for marines the game is ruined and all skill there is to it is lost.'' Its like when SC2 players say there's only strategy in SC2 because in BW only mechanics matter due to how hard the game is. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Isnt this considder an unfair advantage in your opinion and shouldnt it be adressed? Not better to let people decide what kind of hotkeys they wanna use? | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On March 20 2017 05:55 Foxxan wrote: So what do nickhots feel about different hotkeys for different regions. I have heard that in korea, there are different hotkeys compared to europe. Isnt this considder an unfair advantage in your opinion and shouldnt it be adressed? Not better to let people decide what kind of hotkeys they wanna use? Also people who already use customable hotkeys should be banned then for gaining unfair advantages right? Well I pretty much expect that Blizz will add something like this, if this is even a real thing. Otherwise why would they do a remastered version? Hotkeys are probably a smaller thing to change than Graphics and stuff and has less impact on gameplay. If they don't change the way hotkeys work, we pretty much can expect that there won't be any changes | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 20 2017 05:53 Morbidius wrote: In my opinion at least. Must have: -Custom hotkeys Acceptable changes: (i don't care either way) -MBS -Automine -No unit selection limit. Unnaceptable changes: -Pathing fixes and bugfixes -Balance Changes. Some people act as if its pressing P for probes instead of E what makes BW such a great game, Bw is great regardless of all these things, the unit interactions and playstyles are great, the races feel distinct and balanced and the gameplay is awesome. Its an insult to the game when people say things like ''If you don't press M for marines the game is ruined and all skill there is to it is lost.'' Its like when SC2 players say there's only strategy in SC2 because in BW only mechanics matter due to how hard the game is. when you throw multi building select and no unit select cap, yeah that ruins the game i dont want a dumbed down version of the best RTS ever made | ||
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rand0MPrecisi0n
313 Posts
Other suggestions are mostly bollocks. MBS and unlimited selection = breaks the game. Increasing the resolution without keeping aspect ratio will also affect how it's played significantly. Other balance suggestions aren't even worth mentioning. The only one I can get behind is arbiter not recalling if it dies in the middle of the animation. That shit is bullshit | ||
KwarK
United States44373 Posts
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TooLate
7 Posts
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On March 20 2017 05:44 TheNewEra wrote: The only thing that I personally actually hated on the past pages was the "We managed 19 years without customable hotkeys and I don't want new players anyway" argument. Yup. Basically the Starcraft forum equivalent of, "Damned kids, get off mah LAWN!!!!".  | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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TooLate
7 Posts
WarCraft 3 had the possibility of editing a text file to customize the hotkeys. If BW also had the option back in the day, I doubt anybody would care so much. I understand it affects learning curve/gameplay somewhat but if they want to cater to newer buyers/players they should add it. I think one of the most common questions coming from beginner players is how to change the hotkeys, it's a no-brainer that Blizzard would take a look at this. At least I haven't seen people say that the game should still be 640x480. Hopefully they still keep the 4:3 aspect ratio/field of vision but make it nice in present day screens/resolutions. | ||
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TT1
Canada10094 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3711 Posts
On March 20 2017 07:14 StarscreamG1 wrote: I would like to see custom hotkeys and scarab randomness fixed and balanced. I think are both good for the game and the new players, "without" touching the lovely game. Any thoughts? Afaik that was a balance change they made to nerf reaver drops. I'm pretty sure Slayers_Boxer switched to Terran when they did that. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On March 20 2017 07:32 B-royal wrote: Noone needs new players if all they're going to do is be entitled and leave 1 month later for another shiny new game. They'll stay if it's a good game | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
So, first of all I think this is super awesome. I hope the battle.net ladder is pretty much the same as 2's new (awesome) revamped ladder. I also really hope a lot of newbies start playing so it isn't impossible for basically newbies like me to get gud. I used to play brood war as a young kid. Maybe 9 or 10 with my brother, so it's fair to assume I'm not very good. I have been watching all the recent pro games though and enjoying them thoroughly. But here is my question: do you guys think it's a good or bad idea to not update the gameplay whatsoever? Even just a little? From my POV the game doesn't seem entirely balanced and it seems like pro players (since the game hasn't been updated in a long time) have pointed out specific changes that could be made to improve balance. Even from a business POV, shouldn't they update the gameplay a LITTLE so it's not the same damn game that has existed for 10+ years? Even BW fanatics (more like elitists lol) should agree that letting the game sit and become old isn't good for the scene, I think slight, but effectively significant changes should be made. Maybe adding a new unit for every race/reimagining a couple units that are never used would be a positive change. So, please, without anger or condescending language, I'd like some input from people who know more about BW than I do (that's most of you). | ||
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Intari
31 Posts
On March 20 2017 08:14 TentativePanda wrote: Before people shit on what I have to say, understand that it is more of a question than a statement and reflects my limited understanding of BW (I know all of you are BW pros haha). So, first of all I think this is super awesome. I hope the battle.net ladder is pretty much the same as 2's new (awesome) revamped ladder. I also really hope a lot of newbies start playing so it isn't impossible for basically newbies like me to get gud. I used to play brood war as a young kid. Maybe 9 or 10 with my brother, so it's fair to assume I'm not very good. I have been watching all the recent pro games though and enjoying them thoroughly. But here is my question: do you guys think it's a good or bad idea to not update the gameplay whatsoever? Even just a little? From my POV the game doesn't seem entirely balanced and it seems like pro players (since the game hasn't been updated in a long time) have pointed out specific changes that could be made to improve balance. Even from a business POV, shouldn't they update the gameplay a LITTLE so it's not the same damn game that has existed for 10+ years? Even BW fanatics (more like elitists lol) should agree that letting the game sit and become old isn't good for the scene, I think slight, but effectively significant changes should be made. Maybe adding a new unit for every race/reimagining a couple units that are never used would be a positive change. So, please, without anger or condescending language, I'd like some input from people who know more about BW than I do (that's most of you). Yellow claimed the tvz matchup was broken back in... 2005? He was the best zerg at the time so therefore it was definitely broken right? We should've had David Kim intervene? Then along comes savior who revolutionizes zerg. Same thing happens with protoss in 2007 with bisu vs savior. PvZ was clearly broken until Bisu figured it out. You can't have the amazing years-long stories that BW has with a David Kim intervening all the time. | ||
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